quaggy

Guess the 8's are running scared.
http://www.myautoevents.com/pls/scca...sevent_id=1149

clyde

Partly my fault. If I hadn't been asked to co drive someone else's car, mine would probably be there.

Ike

Funny how there are plenty of what you guys like to call turboed econoboxes yet not a single RX-8 "sportscar". I'm disappointed no one entered an RX-8 I would have liked to see how it would stack up, maybe someone will still enter one...

PUR NRG

Newbie troll. Please ignore and let this thread die.
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Ike

It may be a bit trollish but you guys got called out and probably for good reason. All you guys ever talk about is how the RX-8 isn't meant for straightline acceleration and twisties is really where it shines. So where are all the RX-8 autox drivers?

rumatt

WTF though. Are you the only serious autox'er to buy an RX'8 or what?

GeorgeH

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C'mon, you know the answer to that. It's all about classing. Most people don't believe the RX-8 can't be competitive against the S2000 & Boxster. Therefore, nobody is going to develop a car (although one forum member made a great appearence in Texas, IIRC). It doesn't mean the RX-8 has poor handling, it just means there isn't a good home for it right now in the current SCCA class structure.

The SCCA is going to restructure things soon after nationals. One possibility I've heard discussed is the thought of rolling C stock and E stock together, and then splitting B stock up so the S2000s & Boxsters can continue to play together, but now there is a home for the RX-8, 350Zz, etc. This of course is just speculation. Another rumor is the moving of the S2000s and Boxsters into A stock. Either scenario could make the RX-8 contender.

tpryor

I ran a time at the Houston National Tour that would have won the class, but hit a cone. There were three (that I know of) trophy winners (from B-Stock) in the class as well, so it can't be said it was a weak class.......

My co-driver is closing on his house the week before Nationals, and my wife is going out of town the week of Nationals, or we were planning on going this year.

No dreams of winning, but I'll bet we would have been fast enough to trophy - in the car's first year! The S2000's didn't win a Nationals trophy until they had been out for a couple of years, so I think we are making good progress for the short time we have had the car.

And, personally, I think they should leave B-stock just the way it is. I beat the highest finishing Boxster from Nationals last year regularly in our region, and the only S2000 that was ahead of me at the Tour was .08 ahead of me (after 2 days AND my cone).

Who's worried???

P.S. - I also think this is a newbie troll.

quaggy

So, I am a troll for expressing disappointment that no RX-8 autocrossers are sufficiently motivated to take on the S2000 at Nationals this year? Well, please excuse my rudeness; what I meant to say was "Darn, those S2000's are sure lucky that no RX-8s entered Nationals this year!" There. Is that better?

It's amusing to see how some of you react to any post you perceive as being even remotely negative toward your beloved, invincible RX-8. Hey, I am an 8 owner too. have had one for more than a year now. but I don't look at her through rose colored glasses. She is what she is... and IMHO, she won't ever set the B Stock world on fire.

RussellP

why dont you enter with your 8 then

quaggy

because my driving skills are inferior.

fluque

so you are also running scared.....

clyde

In terms of people working on developing the car, the pickings probably get pretty slim pretty fast after Tim/co-driver and me (and I hesitate to even put myself in that category...just because I'm competing doesn't mean that I'm competitive).

In the next couple years, I think you're going to see a lot more, though. The car will be advantageously classed if the S2Ks get moved out of BS, and just as importantly on the local level (at least) it's an absolute hoot to hustle around an autocross course.

idriverx8

I have raced about 8 SCCA events in Utah and I think next year I will go to the finals. When I started racing last sept in my 8 I was just awful (soooo slow). I have slowly but steadily been getting faster. My car now has a racing beat front sway bar and I run on some 245/35/18 Hoosier A3S03 tires. There is some good competition here in B stock. The best driver drives a Turbo MR2. The second best driver drives a 350Z, when I first started racing I thought there is no way I could ever beat these guys. They were beating me by at least 6-8 seconds. At the last pro solo I beat the guy in the Z. The guy in the MR2 has been racing for about 15 years, I think if he drove my car he would be much faster than in his MR2. I am really excited about the potential this car has, because I know I still suck and this car is way better than I am capable of driving it. I think there is probably quite a few people just like me out there and I think as we get better the RX8 will be just as fast as the S2000's. I think from what I heard from the S2000 drivers at the pro solo there is a driver in Texas that is already in the same league as the S2000's.(probably T Pryor).Be patient this car will represent next year and I think will kick ***.

http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/Fil...4wupro-sun.pdf

bmc

Its ok not to include me in the list that is developing the RX-8, I suck. Though, as my Evolution bumper sticker says, "Now I suck less".

Having not attended the prosolo means that I would not be able to go to the pro finale. Though, I've heard that they opened a few spots for "non challenge" entries. Too bad they did it after I made my decision not to go.

An 18 hour drive each way (not counting stops), by myself, for 2 days worth of autocrossing is not quite worth it at this stage yet. Next year, I'll have attended enough Pros (and hopefully done well enough that Nationals will be a 4 day event. Plus, I'm hoping to have my dad as a codriver next year.

The local MARC parking lot has been empty for the last 6 months, now it has quite a bit of hoosier dust ground into the surface. Oh, that and another autocross school under the belt doesn't hurt either.

Oh well. Here's hoping that my dad and I get off the waitlist for this weekend's autocross.

Imp

Nationals is a great expereince, no matter WHAT what your skill level. It's a great tool to find out how much more develpment the car or the driver needs.

BMC, Nationals is more than just a 2 day auto-x... it's a week long event. Add in the ProSolo and I was away from home for a week and a half (2 days out, 2 days back with running Sat/Sun Thurs/Fri). There's soo much to watch, battles that you've heard about unfold, and you can just watch the results. Then there's the evening festivities.... most include free beer.

Those that have taken an EVO school, past and present, would be advised to go into the 'Review' of the courses monday night before you run. They go over an in-depth analysis of the course, corner by corner.

Them opening the ProFinale to non-qualifiers is more of a 'practice on the south course surface' more than anything else.... especally since you can't get in the challenges.

Next year, I want to see RX-8s out there dammit! I was hoping to see some this year (*cough* tpryor *cough*) but life is life... ya gotta do whatcha gotta do.

If anyone does show up, I'll be working registration Sunday, and cleaning the course in STX in the 1st run group on Tues/Wed. (But not before I win that new Mazda 3 this weekend at Laguna Seca)

--kC

Ike

I just don't see the pre MY04 S2K going anywhere, yes it prettymuch dominates the class, I don't know where you'd put it. Keep in mind in nearly every class across the board there is that one car that has a bit of an edge over the rest.

Ike

Goodluck at Laguna KC, and also defending your STX title.

PUR NRG

You are a troll for using the words "running scared" which has several negative connotations.
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clyde

As long as each class is populated by multiple car types each class will have a "best" car. and I don't think anyone can argue that it can be avoided. There's that "best of the breed" philosophy and the desire to keep cars of a similar type together as well. Of course, they don't always stick to those either. While the base C5 Corvette and the Z06 are both in SS, the arguably just as similar BMW 330Ci/M3 are in different classes (DS/AS). The Miata now finds itself in three stock classes (ES/CS/BS) while three generations of vastly different six cylinder non-M BMW 3ers dating back 20 years are all in DS.

So, it's tough to guess what will happen to the S2K based on those other similar situations. OTOH, the fast pre-'04 S2Ks have been regularly beating the fast AS cars for a couple years at National events and they stuck the 04 S2K into AS. At this point, while it's not certain, it seems more likely than not that they will be moved.

bmc

Oh, I already know that. I'm a single dad and my boy is too young to bring with me, especially since the evo babysitting fell through. It would have been a massive pain to make it this year, especially driving all that way by myself. I'll have a codriver next year (my dad) so that won't be a problem.

Oh, I'll be there next year.

eccles

Aww man, that's too bad. I was looking forward to seeing how you guys fared. I reckon you would have put the wind up more than a few people.

Of course, I'm still bummed that I didn't get to take mine to Nationals last year. (I got laid off a week before the event, for those new to the forum.) I remain convinced that the stock tires and DSC/TCS would have given my bone stock RX-8 an edge over the S2000's in the streaming wet on day 1, and your Hoosiers would have enabled it to remain at least semi-competitive on day 2. Oh well.

Looking forward to losing my Nationals virginity next week, if only as a tire warmer in someone else's Miata. Who knows, maybe we can both get wood.

GeorgeH

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Don't count on street tires being an advantage in the wet. Here in OR, our last event was very wet - it rained so hard at one point, the timing lights were tripped. FTD was a Boxster on Hoosiers. When he set the time the course was wet, but with only light standing water. However he was setting blistering times even when there was standing water. I was on shaved RA-1s (in a Miata) and couldn't believe how much grip I had.

Unless it's cold and wet, R-compounds are an advantage, even in the rain.

eccles

Well there was so much rain and standing water on Day 1 of BS last year, that the event was declared a washout in the interest of safety before some competitors had even had their third runs. With that much water on the ground, nothing but a full-tread tire is going to move enough of it to prevent aquaplaning.

Dark8

I was at the Oregon "car wash" auto-x. We had a puddle (lake?) just before the finish timers that had to three inches deep. That was the most fun I've ever had at an event.

I'm planning on going to nationals in 2006 if my finances permit. I figure it will take me a couple of years just to get the '8 sorted out and get used to it. Maybe by then more mods will be available for camber adjustment, etc.