For sale on ebay.
11-02-2005, 11:36 PM
#1
For sale on ebay.
Would probably be a great race car.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turne...spagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turne...spagenameZWDVW
11-03-2005, 10:34 AM
#4
Ride Naked!
50K seems a bit much for a three year old race car...
I would much rather spend 15K on this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER...QQcmdZViewItem
I would much rather spend 15K on this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER...QQcmdZViewItem
11-03-2005, 12:48 PM
#5
What class does that race in? the only class around me you could use that in is the alphabet soup (sprints). Which, quite frankly, ain't that fun. I can't see there being much competition in a car like that. Which is, afterall, the fun in racing.
As well, it looks like it was built in someones garage. A close inspection would probably reveal a lot of safety issues, and plain old poor design. I don't think I could climb into one of those without totally rebuilding it.
The data aquisition system, alone, on the BMW is worth as much as that car you posted. It's a serious race car, with some incredible equipment, wheras that DIASIO, is a toy.
Just my opinion. But, I take race cars a little serious at times
As well, it looks like it was built in someones garage. A close inspection would probably reveal a lot of safety issues, and plain old poor design. I don't think I could climb into one of those without totally rebuilding it.
The data aquisition system, alone, on the BMW is worth as much as that car you posted. It's a serious race car, with some incredible equipment, wheras that DIASIO, is a toy.
Just my opinion. But, I take race cars a little serious at times
Last edited by BlueEyes; 11-03-2005 at 03:08 PM.
11-04-2005, 07:39 PM
#9
Momentum Keeps Me Going
If I'm not mistaken, aren't Turner Motorsorts the guys who lost to SpeedSource RX-8s when Speedsource took the Podium at VIR and Landed the Triple Crown Championship? They took the team, driver, and manufacturer's championship by finishing in a top ten spot at that race.
Why pay big bucks for 2nd best BMW when you have the spirit of the championship car in your own driveway already? And to get serious just have Speedsource juice up the old buggy!
http://www.theracesite.com/index.cfm?pagetype=2&form_article=10550
Why pay big bucks for 2nd best BMW when you have the spirit of the championship car in your own driveway already? And to get serious just have Speedsource juice up the old buggy!
http://www.theracesite.com/index.cfm?pagetype=2&form_article=10550
Last edited by Spin9k; 11-04-2005 at 07:41 PM.
11-04-2005, 08:10 PM
#10
I'm not upset about it, just that ...
a) this is the "RX-8 Competiton (Racing) area
b) ebay postings are a violation of the forum rules
it's not my website though so whatever
peace
a) this is the "RX-8 Competiton (Racing) area
b) ebay postings are a violation of the forum rules
16. Allowed personal "For Sale" items are only to be placed in the "Parts For Sale" or "RX-8s For Sale" forums. Any threads started elsewhere will be deleted or moved to the appropriate forum.
it's not my website though so whatever
peace
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11-04-2005, 08:53 PM
#11
Ride Naked!
Originally Posted by BlueEyes
What class does that race in? the only class around me you could use that in is the alphabet soup (sprints). Which, quite frankly, ain't that fun. I can't see there being much competition in a car like that. Which is, afterall, the fun in racing.
As well, it looks like it was built in someones garage. A close inspection would probably reveal a lot of safety issues, and plain old poor design. I don't think I could climb into one of those without totally rebuilding it.
The data aquisition system, alone, on the BMW is worth as much as that car you posted. It's a serious race car, with some incredible equipment, wheras that DIASIO, is a toy.
Just my opinion. But, I take race cars a little serious at times
As well, it looks like it was built in someones garage. A close inspection would probably reveal a lot of safety issues, and plain old poor design. I don't think I could climb into one of those without totally rebuilding it.
The data aquisition system, alone, on the BMW is worth as much as that car you posted. It's a serious race car, with some incredible equipment, wheras that DIASIO, is a toy.
Just my opinion. But, I take race cars a little serious at times
11-04-2005, 09:25 PM
#12
Bummed, but bring on OU!
16. Allowed personal "For Sale" items are only to be placed in the "Parts For Sale" or "RX-8s For Sale" forums. Any threads started elsewhere will be deleted or moved to the appropriate forum.
Pretty sure the Bimmer doesn't belong to BlueEyes, so he didn't post a personal "For Sale" item.
Pretty sure the Bimmer doesn't belong to BlueEyes, so he didn't post a personal "For Sale" item.
11-05-2005, 12:25 AM
#13
Originally Posted by Spin9k
If I'm not mistaken, aren't Turner Motorsorts the guys who lost to SpeedSource RX-8s when Speedsource took the Podium at VIR and Landed the Triple Crown Championship? They took the team, driver, and manufacturer's championship by finishing in a top ten spot at that race.
Why pay big bucks for 2nd best BMW when you have the spirit of the championship car in your own driveway already? And to get serious just have Speedsource juice up the old buggy!
http://www.theracesite.com/index.cfm?pagetype=2&form_article=10550
Why pay big bucks for 2nd best BMW when you have the spirit of the championship car in your own driveway already? And to get serious just have Speedsource juice up the old buggy!
http://www.theracesite.com/index.cfm?pagetype=2&form_article=10550
Nice article on the Speedsource cars.
Here some are for sale
http://www.speedsourceinc.com/index....rm_product=490
65k.about what I expect the BMW to go for. I wish they had more details about the speedsource cars. Maybe a phone call is in order.
Last edited by BlueEyes; 11-05-2005 at 12:37 AM.
11-05-2005, 12:32 AM
#14
Originally Posted by Dark8
And evidently you have little experience in club racing. It would run in the SCCA CSR class and is a purpose built race car. It would be a whole lot cheaper to run and maintain then the BMW.
11-05-2005, 12:38 AM
#15
Originally Posted by therm8
16. Allowed personal "For Sale" items are only to be placed in the "Parts For Sale" or "RX-8s For Sale" forums. Any threads started elsewhere will be deleted or moved to the appropriate forum.
Pretty sure the Bimmer doesn't belong to BlueEyes, so he didn't post a personal "For Sale" item.
Pretty sure the Bimmer doesn't belong to BlueEyes, so he didn't post a personal "For Sale" item.
I just thought it was cool. It's not often you see a nicely prepped race car with a proven history for sale on ebay. Mostly home made crap.
11-08-2005, 06:59 PM
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A Toy?
If you honestly think THAT Diasio is a toy, go to http://www.diasio.com and look at the D962R, which is powered by a new Renesis engine controlled by a Microtec unit. It produces 255 hp (220 to the wheels) and weighs in at less than 1200 lbs, yet the chassis is built to safety standards of a 2500 lb. car.
CS Diasio
CS Diasio
11-08-2005, 09:06 PM
#17
Hmm, CS Diasio responding. Interesting.
Can you point me to the pro series I could run a Diasio car?
Thanks.
I'll read through the (your?) site with an open mind.
EDIT: Well, I read most of the site. I assume C stands for Chris. In which case, welcome to the site Chris!
It's a neat car, for sure. But, I maintain its toy status. Which isn't to say it's not serious race car, or that it's not a kick *** car to drive, or fast as hell. The toy comment isn't meant as an insult. But, really, if I bought one today, who would I race against? Where would I go to get some competition?
I apologize for my built in a garage comment. That was quite simply, my lack of knowledge about this car speaking. You have some wonderful photos of the build process on the site, and I can see there was some considerable effort put into it's design. The ebay ad for that car doesn't do its design justice.
The use of the renisis, obviously, is great to see. And the sequential is a nice touch. What data acquisition system are you using?
It all comes down to what your priorities in a race car are. For me, first and foremost I want to race! I want competition. I want to out think, and out maneuver. I don't want to blow by other cars because mine is leagues ahead in performance. Which is what I figure would happen driving this in the only series I can think of that it's eligible where I live. After that, things like tuneability, the ability to analyze the tiniest details of the cars performance, speed, and FUN FUN FUN. Plus, if the circus ever comes to town, I'd like to be able to make the car I'm driving fit the rules, slap down the entrance fee, and play with the pros.
Can you point me to the pro series I could run a Diasio car?
Thanks.
I'll read through the (your?) site with an open mind.
EDIT: Well, I read most of the site. I assume C stands for Chris. In which case, welcome to the site Chris!
It's a neat car, for sure. But, I maintain its toy status. Which isn't to say it's not serious race car, or that it's not a kick *** car to drive, or fast as hell. The toy comment isn't meant as an insult. But, really, if I bought one today, who would I race against? Where would I go to get some competition?
I apologize for my built in a garage comment. That was quite simply, my lack of knowledge about this car speaking. You have some wonderful photos of the build process on the site, and I can see there was some considerable effort put into it's design. The ebay ad for that car doesn't do its design justice.
The use of the renisis, obviously, is great to see. And the sequential is a nice touch. What data acquisition system are you using?
It all comes down to what your priorities in a race car are. For me, first and foremost I want to race! I want competition. I want to out think, and out maneuver. I don't want to blow by other cars because mine is leagues ahead in performance. Which is what I figure would happen driving this in the only series I can think of that it's eligible where I live. After that, things like tuneability, the ability to analyze the tiniest details of the cars performance, speed, and FUN FUN FUN. Plus, if the circus ever comes to town, I'd like to be able to make the car I'm driving fit the rules, slap down the entrance fee, and play with the pros.
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11-08-2005, 09:50 PM
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Back to reality
Well, to answer your questions- yes, it is Chris, and the data logging is provided by both the AIM MXL dash, which provides full logging of all temps, pressures, rpm, speed, g-force, combined with complete track mapping and lap times. The ability to instantly download your track sessions and see how you do at each section of the course is invaluable. The Microtech also has data logging of all engine-related functions.
As far as considering a car a toy because you are unable to race it against the pros...that is your opinion. To me, I quite enjoy ripping the hearts out of Porsche GT3 Cup car owners/racers at every track we go to.
Yes, $80k is out of the realm of many individuals, but I was trying to point out the fact that, as this is a RX8 board, you may find it interesting.
The car was indeed engineered by Fabcar Engineering, whose cars have won the 24 Hours of Daytona, as well as producing the last 19 original Porsche 962s for the factory. No garage work here.
Best of luck with your professional-racing aspirations.
Chris
As far as considering a car a toy because you are unable to race it against the pros...that is your opinion. To me, I quite enjoy ripping the hearts out of Porsche GT3 Cup car owners/racers at every track we go to.
Yes, $80k is out of the realm of many individuals, but I was trying to point out the fact that, as this is a RX8 board, you may find it interesting.
The car was indeed engineered by Fabcar Engineering, whose cars have won the 24 Hours of Daytona, as well as producing the last 19 original Porsche 962s for the factory. No garage work here.
Best of luck with your professional-racing aspirations.
Chris
11-08-2005, 11:08 PM
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Thanks for the reply. We're all entitled to our opinion.
I suppose I get more satisfaction winning a knife fight with a knife, than a with a gun.
You mention 80k being out of reach for some. But, what do you expect that Diasio on ebay to sell for? is it typical for the cars? Do a lot come up used? Certainly if it goes for around 20k, as it looks like now, it's a lot more accesible and a performance value. Do you offer updates to used cars? If someone bought this for 20k, say, could they give it to you and have you upgrade it to the new cars specs for less than the purchase of a new car?
I suppose I get more satisfaction winning a knife fight with a knife, than a with a gun.
You mention 80k being out of reach for some. But, what do you expect that Diasio on ebay to sell for? is it typical for the cars? Do a lot come up used? Certainly if it goes for around 20k, as it looks like now, it's a lot more accesible and a performance value. Do you offer updates to used cars? If someone bought this for 20k, say, could they give it to you and have you upgrade it to the new cars specs for less than the purchase of a new car?
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11-09-2005, 06:15 AM
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The Diasio for sale on Ebay was part of our original designed D962, and is vastly different than the new D962R; it had a solid rear axle, etc. In addition, the car above was much modified from standard (has a 1.3 liter engine as opposed to the standard 1 liter engine, dry sump system, different hubs, body mods, etc.), and the owner invested considerably more than what he purchased the car for. I expect the car at the auction to eventually sell for around $30k.
There are so many differences between the original D962 and the new D962R that economically it does not make sense to convert the cars. The engine and transaxle (6-speed sequential w/ reverse) alone cost more than the current high bid for that car.
The original D962s were very good values, but when we designed the D962R, we saw a need for more hp, and a market that would support the car as it is built today. There are other cars out there that are less expensive for sure, but if all one cares about is going fast, buy a go kart. There is much more to a race car than speed; quality of build, ease of maintenance, cost of running, and of course, safety.
The D962R was built to compete in series such as NASA and PBOC (down here in Florida), where besides other sports racers, one is racing against $150k Porsche GT3 Cups, Ferrari Challenge cars, ex-professional Trans-Am and sports cars. It is truly fun to race against a variety of cars where the limit of performance is not set by the rules, but rather the budget. If one wants true parity in racing, race in a spec series; it is the only way to ensure (as much as possible) that it is driver vs. driver, and not just the performance of the car.
As a car builder, I am much more concerned with the limits in performance of the car, which 99.9% exceed the capacity of the driver. Therefore, it is not unusual that you could have 5 different drivers in the D962Rs going around the track, and the lap times will vary by seconds. I provide the car, they provide the *****; whether or not they use either to their limits is up to them.
Thanks for the conversation,
Chris
There are so many differences between the original D962 and the new D962R that economically it does not make sense to convert the cars. The engine and transaxle (6-speed sequential w/ reverse) alone cost more than the current high bid for that car.
The original D962s were very good values, but when we designed the D962R, we saw a need for more hp, and a market that would support the car as it is built today. There are other cars out there that are less expensive for sure, but if all one cares about is going fast, buy a go kart. There is much more to a race car than speed; quality of build, ease of maintenance, cost of running, and of course, safety.
The D962R was built to compete in series such as NASA and PBOC (down here in Florida), where besides other sports racers, one is racing against $150k Porsche GT3 Cups, Ferrari Challenge cars, ex-professional Trans-Am and sports cars. It is truly fun to race against a variety of cars where the limit of performance is not set by the rules, but rather the budget. If one wants true parity in racing, race in a spec series; it is the only way to ensure (as much as possible) that it is driver vs. driver, and not just the performance of the car.
As a car builder, I am much more concerned with the limits in performance of the car, which 99.9% exceed the capacity of the driver. Therefore, it is not unusual that you could have 5 different drivers in the D962Rs going around the track, and the lap times will vary by seconds. I provide the car, they provide the *****; whether or not they use either to their limits is up to them.
Thanks for the conversation,
Chris
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