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ktec 05-12-2007 05:19 PM

RSX driver with a couple Q's for u guys
 
Hey whats up rx8ers... my buddy just got a rx8 and i think its a sweet ass car but i have a few Qs

1st, is the true the Rx8 is faster around a track than a E46(most recent body) M3? TOPGEAR shows that it is around their track but i want some real insight from owners...
I know the rx8 is lighter than the M which is defintally a Plus, and jap is defenitally better too...

2nd, how can you make the rx8 faster without FI (or a 13B swap :) )??? ive heard NA mods dont do shit and even a turbo doesnt do great....
BTW i will update what happens when i run my friends rx8 (04, 6 speed, mint condition, low low miles) vs me (2005 RSX type-S, Cold air intake) i think imma :spank:

Cody Red 05-12-2007 05:29 PM

not much you can do to get more power out of the renesis without going FI. It's very quick on a track (course). And a turbo can do great, look at Mazsports. And if you mean a straight line race when you say, "run" expect to win if your friend can't get a good launch - the 8 isn't the fastest in a line. Have your buddy do some local auto-xing, and he'll probably whoop your ass in times. But then again, it all comes down to skill as well.

-Cody

mysql101 05-12-2007 05:40 PM

Current turbo kits can add 80 - 160 whp to the car. Considering the car weighs in at 170 - 190 whp stock, I wouldn't call that insignificant.

ktec 05-12-2007 05:44 PM

so intake, chip ( or reflash or whatever) exhaust, headers, doesnt do much? dot know what else u can do to it,, no cams of course

Skiptomylue 05-13-2007 12:01 AM

no. it wont.. well lreflash will do a bit.. but... nothing ground shattering.

Ike 05-13-2007 12:41 AM

I'll address the M3 question. The RX-8 might be able to keep up with a E46 M3 on certain tracks. However, in most circumstances with the same drive an E46 M3 is going to turn better lap times than an RX-8 on a real track, autox the RX-8 has the advantage. In short, the M3 just didn't have a very good day when Top Gear tested it.

When you run your friend, you'll probably find that you're pretty damn even. If he's a really good driver he'll get you off the line due to RWD and then it'll stay about an even distance after that. From a roll you should stay roughly even as well, unle4ss of course if you're in 3rd gear and Vtec kicks in, then of course the RSX can't lose!!!!1!1!!one!

Rootski 05-13-2007 11:41 AM

RX8's can keep up with M3's and 350z's around short, very curvy tracks like Top Gear's, but falls behind on tracks with long straights like VIR. So it depends on the track and the driver.

Nemesis8 05-13-2007 11:58 AM

Don't feed the troll

ktec 05-13-2007 01:59 PM

ya i know on a straight the m3 will pull on the rx8, hell it has 100 HP more, it should,, but im talking purely handling ( lateral Gs, balanance, is it nuetral, braking)... does the 8 really have the upper hand? i think it should...

and to the guy with the troll remark....uhh im not trolling at all man :rolleyes:

plsu the rx8 is really easy to drive at the limit i hear... which is not true for the M.. correct?


Originally Posted by Rootski (Post 1875433)
RX8's can keep up with M3's and 350z's around short, very curvy tracks like Top Gear's, but falls behind on tracks with long straights like VIR. So it depends on the track and the driver.


Kane 05-13-2007 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by ktec (Post 1875554)
you fucking queer wtf r u saying? if the 8 wasnt overrated then maybe it can run mid 14s so dont act like a retard with ur vtec shit....

have some dignity, you're a disgrace to the decent people on these fourms

I wish I could do mid 14's, that would be soooooo sweet! :lol2:

If the RX8 is rated at 232 HP and a stock 1/4 mile in the high 14's, how is that overrated?

The term overrated refers to a false advertisement or statement that can not be substantiated by proof. Make sense? It might be underpowered, or a poor drag car, or a suboptimal straight line street racer... but not overrated.

clyde 05-13-2007 03:25 PM

I should have known better than to have opened this thread.

Can some please give me back the 15 seconds of my life that I just wasted?

PoLaK 05-13-2007 04:19 PM

Rx-8 will be hard pressed to beat an M3 on a road course even such as top gears, but it does have a chance.

With alot of money and smart NA modifications you can get the car to dyno 215-225rwhp without any detriment to the engine/drivetrain, more if you consider porting.

Take it to an auto-x/track who cares how fast the car is when you press down your right foot hard as you can.

Btw play nice, phantom this was ultimately your instigation.

ktec 05-13-2007 05:16 PM

Overrating is when a car is rated at 232 hp and it has 175 whp....
and didnt they lower that ratting from 250 ish?? so ya, i mean i love the car its awsome, but do you really think you have >25% drivetrain loss?? nope, its overrating:)


Originally Posted by Kane (Post 1875569)
I wish I could do mid 14's, that would be soooooo sweet! :lol2:

If the RX8 is rated at 232 HP and a stock 1/4 mile in the high 14's, how is that overrated?

The term overrated refers to a false advertisement or statement that can not be substantiated by proof. Make sense? It might be underpowered, or a poor drag car, or a suboptimal straight line street racer... but not overrated.




Then leave and dont waste more time by posting :tool:


Originally Posted by clyde (Post 1875625)
I should have known better than to have opened this thread.

Can some please give me back the 15 seconds of my life that I just wasted?


Phantom Menace 05-13-2007 06:13 PM

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Rootski 05-13-2007 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by ktec (Post 1875685)
Overrating is when a car is rated at 232 hp and it has 175 whp....
and didnt they lower that ratting from 250 ish?? so ya, i mean i love the car its awsome, but do you really think you have >25% drivetrain loss?? nope, its overrating:)

See, now you're trolling, and you don't even have your facts right. The RX-8 was, and still is, rated at 250 in japan. US emissions requirements lowered that figure to 238, then revised SAE rating lowered that to 232. Several magazines have achieved 14.4 in the quarter with the 8, and while it is difficult to do, several people on here have gotten it too.

There's debate over the dyno numbers, too. First off, it's rear-wheel drive, so expect bigger losses than your little FWD shopping cart. Second, the 8 has a very touchy and complicated ECU, so no one's really sure if it holds back on a dyno or not. It's possible it limits power while the front wheels are stationary.

So next time you're going to be annoying, at least do it with good info.

Derex'8 05-13-2007 10:01 PM

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Phantom Menace 05-14-2007 12:46 AM

Aye! Who erased my cool "car-wash" story?! :rant:

ktec 05-14-2007 01:32 AM

we dont live in japan do we? dont be retard, its rated at 232 hp so stfu...and even a RWD doesnt have 25%drivetrain loss....mm kay?


Originally Posted by Rootski (Post 1875786)
See, now you're trolling, and you don't even have your facts right. The RX-8 was, and still is, rated at 250 in japan. US emissions requirements lowered that figure to 238, then revised SAE rating lowered that to 232. Several magazines have achieved 14.4 in the quarter with the 8, and while it is difficult to do, several people on here have gotten it too.

There's debate over the dyno numbers, too. First off, it's rear-wheel drive, so expect bigger losses than your little FWD shopping cart. Second, the 8 has a very touchy and complicated ECU, so no one's really sure if it holds back on a dyno or not. It's possible it limits power while the front wheels are stationary.

So next time you're going to be annoying, at least do it with good info.


ktec 05-14-2007 01:36 AM

haha and it seems like you guys are really insecure with what mazda did with the car and its power... damn i came in here with a legit question about the rx8 vs a m3 on a road course and people got their panties in a bunch...

good luck with ur car man, you'll need it

Phantom Menace 05-14-2007 01:37 AM


Originally Posted by ktec (Post 1876217)
we dont live in japan do we? dont be retard, its rated at 232 hp so stfu...and even a RWD doesnt have 25%drivetrain loss....mm kay?

Okay troll, you've got all the answers. So why even ask? Go home and play with your V-TEC, K-Fed.

K-Fed, says "RSX-S' is the bestest!"

http://www.laist.com/attachments/tony/kfed.jpg

Derex'8 05-14-2007 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by ktec (Post 1876220)
haha and it seems like you guys are really insecure with what mazda did with the car and its power... damn i came in here with a legit question about the rx8 vs a m3 on a road course and people got their panties in a bunch...

good luck with ur car man, you'll need it


Yup a real legit question :rolleyes: if you would have done a simple search you would have easily found your answer..this topic has ben beat to death troll!!!

tjbourgoyne 05-14-2007 10:47 AM

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delhi 05-14-2007 10:59 AM

back on topic, it will depend on the track given the same driver. I've driven both cars and the m3 felt heavy at tight circuits while the rx8 is nimbler handling like the s2000. So on tracks that have less tight turns and more sweeping ones the m3's extra power will just pull away.
But for my money, I'd rather get an M Coupe. ;)

Rootski 05-14-2007 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by ktec (Post 1876217)
we dont live in japan do we? dont be retard, its rated at 232 hp so stfu...

Yeah, exactly, so you saying it was "reduced from 250" is plain wrong, dumbass... it never was 250hp in the states.


Originally Posted by ktec (Post 1876217)
and even a RWD doesnt have 25%drivetrain loss....mm kay?

Yeah, that was kind of my point when I was talking about the ECU on the dyno. Do you ever pay attention? Go run your RSX in the garage with the door closed.

Rootski 05-14-2007 12:50 PM

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