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fastmike 08-11-2008 08:44 AM

Right now, the weather is looking ok.
BUT! This is the NW you know. A little bit unpredictable.
FM

cloud7 08-12-2008 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by chiketkd (Post 2585000)
Piece of advice - don't lift, keep your foot in it! ;)

haha, I will try! The miata is sounderpowered compared to the 8 and requires a different driving style...

please don't rain... we don't have hoosiers wet and I haven't driven the car in the wet either...

mwood 08-12-2008 01:30 PM

Mid 80's, sunny...bring your sunblock and tire sprayer :)

chiketkd 08-12-2008 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by cloud7 (Post 2593263)
haha, I will try! The miata is sounderpowered compared to the 8 and requires a different driving style...

please don't rain... we don't have hoosiers wet and I haven't driven the car in the wet either...

Those cars are so light and can be set-up to rotate easily, that corners that need a lift in an RX-8 will not require one with a miata.

Most 'fun' I've ever had autocrossing was in a miata. Just ask my co-driver about the time I co-drove his STS2 car!!! :lol:

Bakerboy 08-12-2008 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by mwood (Post 2593284)
Mid 80's, sunny...bring your sunblock and tire sprayer :)

Tire sprayer, I don't need no sprayer, i have bgf's. I have found they warm up about 4th run!! Plus I don't have a co-driver so I can use all the heat I can get!:FIREdevil:

BryanH 08-13-2008 03:02 AM

At this rate I'll have to switch to FP at the last minute. I've got half of the interior strewn around the garage floor rather than inside the car where it belongs.

Stereo installs gone wrong! :banghead:

Bakerboy 08-13-2008 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by BryanH (Post 2594309)
At this rate I'll have to switch to FP at the last minute. :banghead:

And have to run against the pesky focus, im sorry:icon_no2:

GeorgeH 08-14-2008 04:50 PM

Looks like we topped out at 15. Biggest class at the tour!

GeorgeH 08-14-2008 05:12 PM

Just checked the weather:

Sat, 97 degrees, 30% chance of rain, t-storms.
Sun, 85, 20% chance of rain.

Could be interesting.

CodingParadox 08-14-2008 05:45 PM

Great. Who needs rains anyway? Damn the thunderstorms, ramming speed...

mwood 08-14-2008 06:38 PM

Weather.com has it at a 10% chance of precip...oh well, we'll just see how it turns out. If they are calling for 97 degrees (!!) and chance of t-storms, I'd think the bigger chance of rain would be later in the afternoon...and we're RG2. Anyhow, the way I see it, a 30% chance of rain means a 70% chance it won't! ;)

On the other hand, that scenario does sound (except the heat) quite a bit like last year, when it was dry on Saturday and then wet into Sunday morning...anyone remember who was leading after day one, only to blow it in the drying conditions on Sunday? (Well, truthfully, none of us was going to run with Joe, who was the only guy on the right tires and is fast to begin with)...but, I certainly hope it isn't deja vu, all over again!

The Pro is another matter...weather.com has a 60% chance of rain on Saturday, but that's a b.a.g. at this point, as far as I'm concerned...:lol:

Bakerboy 08-15-2008 09:16 PM

Man I hope it cools off a little it was frickin hot today, practice wasn't even fun, but you lost about 10 pounds of water weight by time you got done working. Heres to tomarrow, oh ya we're up to 16 bs.

mwood 08-16-2008 07:48 PM

Well, I don't know how much it cooled off today...still hotter than heck...I'm sitting in the A/C hotel room, just trying to get my core temp back to normal...

First day was still fun. The course had some higher speed sweepers and an interesting slalom section that started super fast and then kind of funneled down to a very slow "wallom" section at the end...pretty interesting. B Stock is the biggest class and we have a bunch of good guys to run with, for sure.

Zach (spike siegel) is on top, pulling off a very fast run on his 3rd. He's followed by Coding Paradox (David) by about 3 tenths, then Steve Hui, then me (I ended up standing on my first run, taken on brand, brand new Kumhos...that pretty much sums up how well I drove), then GeorgeH. We're all covered by a little more than half a second. BryanH missed the set up on his car, going too soft on the front bar and (very un-Bryan like) coned all three runs today. His scratch, even with the bar setting, still was right there (no surprise!), but the cones hosed him...after thrashing to get the car together and making the long haul up here :mad:

We'll see what happens tomorrow.

chiketkd 08-16-2008 09:21 PM

Thanks for the update Mike. Out of curiosity, was rain a factor for any run groups? How dirty was the course for the Heat 1 drivers?

Day 1 results are up: Packwood Saturday results

mwood 08-16-2008 10:25 PM

No rain. The course just got faster and faster...you could see the rubber start to really get put down in RG2 and it just got better from there...RG1 was street sweeper and Dietz was hung over:lol:

By far best conditions for RG4, but by then you really didn't want a co-driver, as managing tire temps became a problem.

TeamRX8 08-17-2008 11:41 AM

good luck today, given my results at Wendover and problems with the car I'm going to cancel from the Pro event, my season is pretty much over with as far as the points Series goes so a rush 24hr round trip for a car that won't be sorted prior isn't making much sense

chiketkd 08-17-2008 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by mwood (Post 2599373)
No rain. The course just got faster and faster...you could see the rubber start to really get put down in RG2 and it just got better from there...RG1 was street sweeper and Dietz was hung over:lol:

By far best conditions for RG4, but by then you really didn't want a co-driver, as managing tire temps became a problem.

Thanks Mike. I see some results are up for Sunday. Looks like Zach (spike.spiegel) took the win, with you in 2nd!

http://www.scca.com/documents/result...%20Sunday2.pdf

From a quick glance, it appears Bryan H. took the top time of the day, but it wasn't enough to recover from his coned runs on Saturday.

mwood 08-17-2008 09:50 PM

Yep, Zach followed through beautifully today, backing up his effort from day one. All of us SFR folks were really glad to see him win:)

Bryan's second run was the quickest on the day by .256 (you knew I wasn't going to say "3/10ths", didn't you, Bryan?...you had to have been there...) Watching him fly through the very long slalom going out definitely was a highlight. But, spotting everybody a couple of seconds on day one was too tough to overcome.

The weather really was perfect today, as the clouds moved in and the temps dropped about 20 degrees...definitely made it easier on us old guys. I got my head most of the way out of my axx by my third run after realizing on my first run today that I wasn't driving the RX8 like a RX8, but was trying to throttle steer it (maybe because I've been driving the Mustang lately). I probably should have taken a couple of test and tune laps on Friday as a refresher course in RX8 101.

Regardless, it was a fun weekend and B Stock was well represented. I also had the chance to meet Mike (Bakerboy), which was cool. After watching the Koni equipped '8s slalom, he is now on the lookout for some yellows:lol:

Bakerboy 08-17-2008 10:33 PM

Ya I must say I did have a blast, great to meet all of you! And thanks to my co-driver I didn't get DFL!! But I do still hold the award for biggest guy in a 8!!! Can't wait till next year, or if I can make it up to the next event there in october. Thanks again for all the help that you guys gave, I'll get this rwd r-compound thing down!

PedalFaster 08-18-2008 12:57 PM

Zach and Mike, any chance you could post walkthroughs of how you approached each course? I don't think I made any obvious mistakes on either day, but I was still a second back in each direction, so evidently I'm missing something.

Bryan, I'd love to hear how you approached the courses too, but I suspect it was somewhat different due to your different ride. :)

Great driving by all of you this weekend!

mwood 08-18-2008 07:36 PM

Walkthrough? Steve, at my age I'm lucky if I can remember what I had for breakfast...maybe Zach can fill in the blanks...:lol:

Seriously, after totalling f-ing up day one, it was just a matter of not overdriving the front grip of the RX8 (which was (I think) my problem on Saturday) and looking well ahead in order to carry the shortest, fastest arc possible through the big sweeper sections. Two places I know I made time on my last run Sunday were the left hander following the giant right hand sweeper (right after the short, downhill chute?), which was way faster than I think many imagined, and the left hander leading in to the finish, which required turning in early and letting the car push and bounce out to driver's right, down the hill. Oh, and right off the start, I noticed a lot of BS guys were waiting to brake until in to that first little offset deal (right after you went through the start lights), which caused them to delay getting on the gas...which then resulted in wanting to carry the throttle too far into the first left hand sweeper/turn around...which then got them wide and in the marbles.

PedalFaster 08-18-2008 08:23 PM

Brake in the first offset?!? Wimps! :)

Anyone have MaxQGPS data that they're willing to share, perchance? I didn't notice any GPS antennae stuck to anyone else's cars, but I wasn't looking that hard.

mwood 08-18-2008 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by PedalFaster (Post 2601662)
Brake in the first offset?!? Wimps! :)

Anyone have MaxQGPS data that they're willing to share, perchance? I didn't notice any GPS antennae stuck to anyone else's cars, but I wasn't looking that hard.

Well...my point was the you weren't going to take that offset flat, so the choice was brake right before, get across and put your foot to the floor or wait to brake, then wait to get on the gas...guess which one I think worked better? ;)

The other place a lot of people lost time was the right hander, double (actually, triple, in a way...) apex turn before the "wallom" and slalom...lots gave it up entirely, to stay tight, which wasn't too swift, but a bunch of others came in to hot and there were marbles, rubber and other crxp just off line...they really paid a penalty. I finally figured out to drive it in pretty deep, turn once and carry the arc to a fairly early apex on the last cone of the element...since I was going to have to brake hard after the first part of the "wallom", I didn't need to worry about getting on the back of that last cone of the element preceeding...

I believe you guys and Steve C. might be the only ones with data...well, except Glenn, but I'm not sure how much you'd learn from the 350Z's numbers.

spike.spiegel 08-19-2008 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by PedalFaster (Post 2601136)
Zach and Mike, any chance you could post walkthroughs of how you approached each course? I don't think I made any obvious mistakes on either day, but I was still a second back in each direction, so evidently I'm missing something.

Bryan, I'd love to hear how you approached the courses too, but I suspect it was somewhat different due to your different ride. :)

Great driving by all of you this weekend!

It was great meeting all the Northwest folks and hanging out with the familiar SFR B-Stockers. It was really a fun group to run with, and a great site and course.

To be honest, I was just trying to make it through the course clean on both days; I was just extremely lucky that Mike hasn't driven an 8 in years and that Bryan was experimenting with his setup in preparation for Nats.

The only run that felt fast was my first run on Saturday, which had a cone. I was pretty much all over the place on my other runs, and probably a few feet off all the slalom cones in my last four runs, due to extreme paranoia after coning my first two runs :(

Here are some of my thoughts about the courses:

Disclaimer: I'm definitely nowhere near the level of Bryan or Mike, and I didn't drive particularly well this weekend. I'm pretty sure the Hoosiers just worked better on this course. Don't read any of the following, or you will go slower.

Day 1:

On the first turn around, I added distance and missed the apex cone by a lot in order to get on the backside of the exit. The fast lefthander after the offsets was really scary due to the transistion. I had some major driftage there on my second run. I also added distance on the next right turnaround, and missed the apex cone by a lot.

Through the big left hand sweeper, I just tried to get on the gas as early as possible and didn't worry about line. I was past the shift beep, but not on the limiter entering the slalom. The slalom and wallom was just slow--I just tried to miss cones. For the double apex after the wallom, I tried to shoot out wide, just missing the last cone in the outside wall. Then I braked and stayed pretty tight to the inside cones on the next two gates. Again, just trying to get on the gas as early as possible. I took the last turnaround very wide, way off the apex cone, in order to get on the backside of the exit, and to get on the gas early.

Day 2:

Just lifted for the first offset. Don't think I braked going into the turn around, but braked in the middle to get on the gas early. I thought making a long arc might add too much distance so I kind of segmented it, I think. For the double apex right hander, I was nowhere near the first apex cone. I added tons of distance to carry good speed through the second part of the turn. Really tried hard to get ahead on the wallom/slalom to maximize exit speed, but never really did it. Didn't really pay attention to the line through the big sweeper, just went as fast as I could to get to the outside by the end, where it tightened. I was braking pretty hard while turning, and almost hit the outside cone a couple of times.

Like Mike said, you could carry tons of speed into the left hand turnaround. I stayed pretty tight on the exit, though I probably should have drifted out over the outside chalk instead. For the last right-hand turnaround, I also ignored the apex cone to get on the backside of the exit. I never figured out the slalom and last left-hander.

mwood 08-19-2008 08:03 PM

Zach, you're way too modest...it wasn't the Hoosiers, or my lack of current seat time, or the others driving poorly (well, except Bryan's coneitis..lol), etc. that allowed you to win, you earned it by putting down fast times when you needed....look at your overall pax, if you need proof :)

Your working on your driving has paid off, that's the whole story. btw, I have that Borla single exit, whenever you want to grab it.


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