June Fastrack posted (RX-8 to STX?!)
05-21-2008, 07:54 PM
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June Fastrack posted (RX-8 to STX?!)
Full: http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...track-june.pdf
Solo: http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...-june-solo.pdf
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Solo: http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...-june-solo.pdf
• The STAC is seeking member feedback on the following listing change proposal: Remove the Mazda RX-8 from the STX exclusion list (ref. 08-056).
05-21-2008, 08:43 PM
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you'll just be on 8" wheels and 245 tires instead
it will be hard to put the power down if you get the engine output to it's capability
my advice would be to not over-spring the car and over-lower the car, you'll need compliance to not overload the tires and this will require suspension travel to avoid bottoming out the rear shocks if you can get it hooked up
it will be hard to put the power down if you get the engine output to it's capability
my advice would be to not over-spring the car and over-lower the car, you'll need compliance to not overload the tires and this will require suspension travel to avoid bottoming out the rear shocks if you can get it hooked up
05-21-2008, 08:46 PM
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Power-wise, STi's and Evo's can make ~300whp/330wtq in STU trim. IIRC, Sipe made 220whp/160wtq in his former STU RX-8.
2.0L STX WRXs make ~220-230whp (and a similar amount of wtq) in STX trim, which is a much better match for the RX-8 imho. I doubt the RX-8 would upset the applecart in the STX class, but a well-prepped and well-driven car could possibly trophy in the class at Nats.
Very good point and my feeling as well.
2.0L STX WRXs make ~220-230whp (and a similar amount of wtq) in STX trim, which is a much better match for the RX-8 imho. I doubt the RX-8 would upset the applecart in the STX class, but a well-prepped and well-driven car could possibly trophy in the class at Nats.
you'll just be on 8" wheels and 245 tires instead
it will be hard to put the power down if you get the engine output to it's capability
my advice would be to not over-spring the car and over-lower the car, you'll need compliance to not overload the tires and this will require suspension travel to avoid bottoming out the rear shocks if you can get it hooked up
it will be hard to put the power down if you get the engine output to it's capability
my advice would be to not over-spring the car and over-lower the car, you'll need compliance to not overload the tires and this will require suspension travel to avoid bottoming out the rear shocks if you can get it hooked up
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05-23-2008, 09:22 AM
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Buetzer has thumped SS with a CS Miata more than once. So what?
Given equal prep levels, run conditions, and driver skill STU should always be faster than STX. After all, the top STU car is the exact same platform as the top STX car, but with more power, more torque, better throttle response, wider contact patches and a better drivetrain.
I doubt the RX-8 will be a dominant force in STX, but I think it has a much better shot there than it does in STU.
Given equal prep levels, run conditions, and driver skill STU should always be faster than STX. After all, the top STU car is the exact same platform as the top STX car, but with more power, more torque, better throttle response, wider contact patches and a better drivetrain.
I doubt the RX-8 will be a dominant force in STX, but I think it has a much better shot there than it does in STU.
05-23-2008, 02:30 PM
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Buetzer has thumped SS with a CS Miata more than once. So what?
Given equal prep levels, run conditions, and driver skill STU should always be faster than STX. After all, the top STU car is the exact same platform as the top STX car, but with more power, more torque, better throttle response, wider contact patches and a better drivetrain.
Given equal prep levels, run conditions, and driver skill STU should always be faster than STX. After all, the top STU car is the exact same platform as the top STX car, but with more power, more torque, better throttle response, wider contact patches and a better drivetrain.
The difference is apples vs oranges (SS vs CS) rather than fuji apples vs red delicious apples (STX vs STU)
IMO it won't have any better shot there unless there's no real competition
05-23-2008, 08:54 PM
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re: real competition in STX cy lee and chris shenefield have moved from STS to STX in cy's civic and are gonna blow up the spot. prepare for some fireworks at nationals. ;-)
re: real competition in STX cy lee and chris shenefield have moved from STS to STX in cy's civic and are gonna blow up the spot. prepare for some fireworks at nationals. ;-)
07-23-2008, 02:11 PM
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From the August Fastrack...
On page 18...
http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastra...k-aug-solo.pdf
Separately from the above cleanup changes, the STAC has recommended that the following proposals be passed along to the BOD:
o In Appendix A, Street Touring Class U, remove the line under “Excluded” which reads “BMW M3 (E46 ‘01+)” (ref.07-001)
o In 14.12.3, under STX (also affects STU), change the last portion to read “…forced induction (turbo(s) or supercharger(s))”
o Change 14.12.4, under STX, to read: “Rim restriction: maximum width of 9 inches, diameter/offset unrestricted. Tire restriction: max width 265mm for FWD/RWD cars.”
o In 14.12.9, remove Mazda RX-8 from the list of excluded cars. (ref. 08-056)
o In Appendix A, Street Touring Class U, remove the line under “Excluded” which reads “BMW M3 (E46 ‘01+)” (ref.07-001)
o In 14.12.3, under STX (also affects STU), change the last portion to read “…forced induction (turbo(s) or supercharger(s))”
o Change 14.12.4, under STX, to read: “Rim restriction: maximum width of 9 inches, diameter/offset unrestricted. Tire restriction: max width 265mm for FWD/RWD cars.”
o In 14.12.9, remove Mazda RX-8 from the list of excluded cars. (ref. 08-056)
07-23-2008, 05:23 PM
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+1 I'm in full support of the RX-8 being moved to STX and the E46 M3 going to STU -- however, I don't feel the tire width increases should take place at the same time. Give it at least one season to see if the competitive balance changes in any way...
07-25-2008, 07:09 PM
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Because the BMW's will gain the most from the tire width increase. Besides, the RX-8's true potential in ST* is still a relative unknown.
Hopefully a buddy of mine who's a national champion in ST*, will pick one up if the RX-8 gets classed in STX. That would be a true data point.
-Chike
Besides, the RX-8's true potential in ST* is still a relative unknown. Hopefully a buddy of mine who's a national champion in ST*, will pick one up if the RX-8 gets classed in STX. That would be a true data point.
-Chike
07-25-2008, 11:03 PM
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who dat?
07-25-2008, 11:54 PM
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Well I know you and a few others that run/ran RX-8s in STU locally, and obviously Sipe's effort is well documented on this board - but until you put a top driver in a well-sorted car, who knows just how well it could do nationally.
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