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Someone posted a link to the Saturday results on the SCCA site, but didn't go the extra distance to, you know, actually post the results themselves.
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster
Someone posted a link to the Saturday results on the SCCA site, but didn't go the extra distance to, you know, actually post the results themselves.
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Well, the final results are up now, so everyone can take a look at http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/Fil...antaps-sun.pdf .
I was fortunately able to pull out the win today in STX, however that was in part due to the transmission having issues in the car that Tom was driving. He hopped into a Civic for some "fun runs" for the morning runs, but never got impounded, so only got to keep his Saturday runs. Fortunately, the Saturday runs were quicker. I was able to shave off a couple of tenths. Thanks to Phil and Jen Croyer for letting me co-drive their WRX, I had a lot of fun!
The MR2 Turbo was flying, but again the course did favor cars with torque and low gearing. I heard Keith saying that he was having problems with the lack of torque, while the S2000s were downshifting once on one course and twice on the other. The lot in Atlanta is very interesting with a big downhill slope. Most of us were using the e-brake to hold the car at the start. Those that weren't using the ebrake were keeping their foot on the brake until the lights came down. The slope was such that you had to have the brake on.
For those that read the comments about last week, the lot does have some pretty good bumps on it in a few places. The Left course finish was quite bumpy!
Ron
I was fortunately able to pull out the win today in STX, however that was in part due to the transmission having issues in the car that Tom was driving. He hopped into a Civic for some "fun runs" for the morning runs, but never got impounded, so only got to keep his Saturday runs. Fortunately, the Saturday runs were quicker. I was able to shave off a couple of tenths. Thanks to Phil and Jen Croyer for letting me co-drive their WRX, I had a lot of fun!
The MR2 Turbo was flying, but again the course did favor cars with torque and low gearing. I heard Keith saying that he was having problems with the lack of torque, while the S2000s were downshifting once on one course and twice on the other. The lot in Atlanta is very interesting with a big downhill slope. Most of us were using the e-brake to hold the car at the start. Those that weren't using the ebrake were keeping their foot on the brake until the lights came down. The slope was such that you had to have the brake on.
For those that read the comments about last week, the lot does have some pretty good bumps on it in a few places. The Left course finish was quite bumpy!
Ron
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Look at it this way Jason, the MR2 Turbo has had lots of development time over the years, while the RX8, 350Z, and to some degree now, the 968 are just at the beginning of their development.
The MR2 is a quick car and will no doubt be a contender at the Pros, but I wouldn't yet count out the other cars.
Also of note, Carter brought out his brand new (like 100 miles on it when it arrived on Friday....) 350Z track model, but switched to the non-Track car that ended up in 3rd place for Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning. I didn't get a chance to talk to him today, but he was thinking that the non-track might be better because of the ability to run the 710s on the 17s, vs. the current lack of sizing in 18s. He had the A3S05s on his car.
Oh, one other thing, the A3S05s seemed to be going away after only two runs, and this was in 50-70 degree temperatures! One of the STIs was already cording their tires after only 20 runs, and Darrin Disimo was getting some wierd divots in the middle of the tires....
Ron
The MR2 is a quick car and will no doubt be a contender at the Pros, but I wouldn't yet count out the other cars.
Also of note, Carter brought out his brand new (like 100 miles on it when it arrived on Friday....) 350Z track model, but switched to the non-Track car that ended up in 3rd place for Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning. I didn't get a chance to talk to him today, but he was thinking that the non-track might be better because of the ability to run the 710s on the 17s, vs. the current lack of sizing in 18s. He had the A3S05s on his car.
Oh, one other thing, the A3S05s seemed to be going away after only two runs, and this was in 50-70 degree temperatures! One of the STIs was already cording their tires after only 20 runs, and Darrin Disimo was getting some wierd divots in the middle of the tires....
Ron
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Grats on the win Ron, beating Hoppe isn't an easy task. I've always said the MR2 would be my choice for a dedicated autox car, but I don't think its win in Atlanta means a whole lot. I'm guessing KCs car isn't nearly fully prepped (did he gets his shocks on?) and Carter's Z is still going to get better.
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IMO a prepped and well driven RX8 should thump an Mr2, even at a Pro Solo event
On that Atlanta course, no RX-8 was going to "thump" Sammy in that MR-2. On a Peru course, maybe a different story.
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Also of note, Carter brought out his brand new (like 100 miles on it when it arrived on Friday....) 350Z track model, but switched to the non-Track car that ended up in 3rd place for Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning. I didn't get a chance to talk to him today, but he was thinking that the non-track might be better because of the ability to run the 710s on the 17s, vs. the current lack of sizing in 18s. He had the A3S05s on his car.
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We better consider moving it to AS then, since the MR2 thumped AS, which included a couple of top finishers from nationals last year.
On that Atlanta course, no RX-8 was going to "thump" Sammy in that MR-2. On a Peru course, maybe a different story.
Bryan
On that Atlanta course, no RX-8 was going to "thump" Sammy in that MR-2. On a Peru course, maybe a different story.
Bryan
I don't know what's up with the S2000 drivers this year, they seem off, better bump the CS Miata's to AS too they were just a few ticks off of BS
of course at this event they may have been stuck between 1st and 2nd gear too much
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I ran 2nd gear on the whole course not trying to go to 1st.. and still got push. I got the front bar on Friday afternoon and then walked the course... only to see it consist of straight around a cone into sweeper into sweeper into sweeper around a cone into sweeper and finish. GAhhh!! I think I would have done better without the frotnt bar, but it's just a pain in the *** to replace. [Mr. Rogers] Can you say 'push'? Good I knew you could![/Mr Rogers] There's a few other things I can do for rotation in the alignment department... I just didn't want to do them with an 1100 mile road trip back home.
And yep.. I was still on stock shocks. Konis are going to make a world of difference.
I also know I didn't drive the car that well this weekend. 1st time really running a car on a course, and 1st time with R compounds on the car... with time, it'll definitely get faster as time goes on and i get more seat time. Revenge will be mine at the next event.... I hope. :D
Sam's MR2 was getting 1.8 60' times where I was getting 2.1. That's over 1/2 second difference the 8 needs to 'find' on the left and right side combination to overcome.
With 1/4 tank of gas, stock shocks, stock muffler, no sunroof, 245/35 V710s on SSR comps, my Sport weighs in at 2825 lbs. I think with a battery and a lighter exhaust, the car will get under 2800 lbs. That's pretty good all things considered.
Also, on the way home, I got 23.6, 25.1 and 23.4 miles to the gallon on the 3 fillups that I did. I kept the speed at around 5-10 over on cruise with few stops. Also used up 1.5 quarts of oil for the whole trip.
Hope to see you guys at the next national event!
--kC
And yep.. I was still on stock shocks. Konis are going to make a world of difference.
I also know I didn't drive the car that well this weekend. 1st time really running a car on a course, and 1st time with R compounds on the car... with time, it'll definitely get faster as time goes on and i get more seat time. Revenge will be mine at the next event.... I hope. :D
Sam's MR2 was getting 1.8 60' times where I was getting 2.1. That's over 1/2 second difference the 8 needs to 'find' on the left and right side combination to overcome.
With 1/4 tank of gas, stock shocks, stock muffler, no sunroof, 245/35 V710s on SSR comps, my Sport weighs in at 2825 lbs. I think with a battery and a lighter exhaust, the car will get under 2800 lbs. That's pretty good all things considered.
Also, on the way home, I got 23.6, 25.1 and 23.4 miles to the gallon on the 3 fillups that I did. I kept the speed at around 5-10 over on cruise with few stops. Also used up 1.5 quarts of oil for the whole trip.
Hope to see you guys at the next national event!
--kC
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Originally Posted by Imp
I got the front bar on Friday afternoon and then walked the course... only to see it consist of straight around a cone into sweeper into sweeper into sweeper around a cone into sweeper and finish. GAhhh!! I think I would have done better without the frotnt bar, but it's just a pain in the *** to replace. --kC
Originally Posted by Imp
With 1/4 tank of gas, stock shocks, stock muffler, no sunroof, 245/35 V710s on SSR comps, my Sport weighs in at 2825 lbs. I think with a battery and a lighter exhaust, the car will get under 2800 lbs. That's pretty good all things considered.
--kC
--kC
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Originally Posted by Imp
Racing Beat front bar.
They weighed the MR2 right before mine and they said it was pretty much what they figured for weight.
They weighed the MR2 right before mine and they said it was pretty much what they figured for weight.
What did the MR2 weigh?
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I am wondering if the stock front bar is going to be faster on asphalt with good shocks and Mazdaspeed front bar for concrete events if you lift a rear wheel???
My style does not like "managing the push".
Many fast cars are set up that way though.
I get bored driving cars that are set up like that though.
FM
My style does not like "managing the push".
Many fast cars are set up that way though.
I get bored driving cars that are set up like that though.
FM
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I can't remember what the MR2 weighed. I believe my car was just a tad heavier.. within 50 lbs. I think.
I'm also believing with the shocks, the front bar will be pretty much dead on with my driving style. I'll know at the event this weekend if my shocks get in on time.
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I'm also believing with the shocks, the front bar will be pretty much dead on with my driving style. I'll know at the event this weekend if my shocks get in on time.
--kC
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I found that on concrete I could all but eliminate push by running my tire pressure at 35 in front and 45 in rear. The car was amazingly fast and I have never slalomed that fast before. It felt a little like an S2000 (twitchy) but once I expected it (after a few spins) it was very controllable. I havent had a chance to run on asphalt yet.I will on May 15th so I'll post my impressions then.
I have stock shocks,racing beat front sway,-1.5 on all corners and 245/35/18 V710's
I have stock shocks,racing beat front sway,-1.5 on all corners and 245/35/18 V710's
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Originally Posted by idriverx8
I found that on concrete I could all but eliminate push by running my tire pressure at 35 in front and 45 in rear. The car was amazingly fast and I have never slalomed that fast before. It felt a little like an S2000 (twitchy) but once I expected it (after a few spins) it was very controllable. I havent had a chance to run on asphalt yet.I will on May 15th so I'll post my impressions then.
I have stock shocks,racing beat front sway,-1.5 on all corners and 245/35/18 V710's
I have stock shocks,racing beat front sway,-1.5 on all corners and 245/35/18 V710's
However, at the end of last year I had help from an rx-7 driver who recommended this same approach, to get the rear pressures much higher than the fronts. When we were up to about a 10lb difference it seemed to rotate alot better; but at the time my tires were shot, so it was hard to know if the point was proven. Interesting. (Edit: I was on Kumho mx's.)
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I had my fronts at 32 and the rears had gotten up to 55 and I was just starting to see rotation in the sweepers.... I tried 42 in the rear on Sat afternoon and that still wasn't enough so I did 50 in the rear for sunday morning... and byt he time I had finished running they had gotten up to 55.
We'll see what this weekend brings.
We'll see what this weekend brings.