Jedi54

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I can't believe you guys are falling for this, it's RAZZ FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! He loves to "razz" people.

Tell you wife I said 'congrats' on the new car!

Moostafa29

Nice pick up!

JRichter

First mod:

devildog1679

I'll still take it in the corners

YaXMaNGTO

My buddy has that APS TT kit on his 6.0L GTO. I get to drive the hell out of it while we're street tuning, and he's manning the laptop twist my arm... 600hp

YaXMaNGTO

I guess I'm hoping even that will change when GXP comes out. Road and Track said the G8 GT is a set of springs and shocks away from being a very capable handling car.

SideOfBacon

test drove a solstice while the g/f was looking at a new car last month. its HIDEOUS. it looks like something a crossfire would **** out. the only thing decent about it is what is under the hood. But from EXPERIENCE pontiacs have nothing but issues. have had numerous family members with Grand Ams. ex-wife had an aztec (got it before I met her, or that would have never happened). sunroof died 6 months after having it. Transmission was replaced at 24,000 miles. and radiator was leaking at a year of ownership, ended up trading the fker in and just taking about a 5k hit in negative equity.

here is a friends GTO that had his engine go out at 35,000 miles on a GTO, which is something that falls under your new elite "new models" category.



pontiac was ***, is ***, and will ALWAYS be ***.

JRichter

Highly unusual for the V8 in that car to up and die without some help, those things are usually bullet proof but I guess it happens. Sounds like you have your reasons for holding a grudge against Pontiac is justified but just for kicks take note that in the last J.D. Power and Assoc reliability/dependability study done Pontiac is well above many including your Mazda. I never liked Pontiac (and I would walk before I drove a Grand Am) but I can appreciate a couple of their newer designs (or should I say Holden's designs).

SideOfBacon

and if i start running into "lemons" with my mazda's I may reconsider purchasing them too. I can understand mass production lines for cars having a lemon out of 1000s produced. But having so many CLOSE friends and family have problems with numerous models and years, I dont have trust in their product. according to that chart I should trade the 8 in for a LaSabre :P

fahrfegneugen

It's true, my dad's cadillac has faired better than my 8.

Nice G8, have fun.

kevinD1226

might be runing circles around a stock M3 but after all is said and done its still an M3 and id pick the m3 over the pontiac anyday.. but congrats u did buy a fast car...

JRichter

I wouldn't pass up a car I desire for it's placement on a well know reliability study chart either but I tire of the constant knocking of certain manufacturer's reliability based on designs of decades ago or one's personal experiences (example: Renisis reliability). Sure the build quality of some of the one's I've been in are **** IMO and most of Pontiac's designs/styling could be done better IMO (G8 excluded) but they aren't complete ***. I would still probably buy many German and/or Japanese cars before I bought a Pontiac no matter how unreliable the former would be as I simple like the designs of these cars much better in most cases. Just something to chew on.