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07-05-2003, 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by sixspeed
From the RX-8...?
The S2000 is quite peaky, but so long as it's kept in the rev-range that shouldn't be a problem...
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From the RX-8...?
The S2000 is quite peaky, but so long as it's kept in the rev-range that shouldn't be a problem...
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07-05-2003, 01:36 PM
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I was wondering... when they do these races for the mag, are there any accidents or mishaps? It seems like there were many, many close calls.
Also, I did catch him saying something about the "braking" as well.
Also, I did catch him saying something about the "braking" as well.
07-05-2003, 04:47 PM
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The s2k actually has less hp and less torque then the rx-8, but regains that from the weight difference which is couple hundred pounds, roughly 3000lbs vs 2700. The s2k is a very nice car but the way the power is outputed is different from the rx-8 which is suppose to have a smooth output of power while the s2k is peaky, going fast only when in the power band or vtec, but for some reason the s2k featured in the video has 250ps which is equal to the rx-8 so the s2k should have had an advantage over the 8 if the specs are true.
07-05-2003, 05:26 PM
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The X8 should of at least been in 3rd position. I cant wait to see another battle inthe future.. Provided there is one.
The X8 is very light, lighter than the X7 and it still under-performs. Either way, the X8 is the best looking car in the batle, Next is the WRX and then the S2000. I cant wait to see what improvments next years model sports..
The X8 is very light, lighter than the X7 and it still under-performs. Either way, the X8 is the best looking car in the batle, Next is the WRX and then the S2000. I cant wait to see what improvments next years model sports..
07-05-2003, 10:07 PM
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of all the videos i've seen in the past (which aren't many at all), i haven't seen accidents but just close calls. one incident in which gan-san took a corner too sharply and steered outwards, causing the car next to him veer outwards, which made the car next to it steer out of the track. very funny actually. cuz that was gan-san's son. in another video a porsche lost its clutch or something and suddenly made a sharp turn where a gt-r was coming right behind. that caused the gt-r to go offcourse but he drifted back on track and won the race. that driver was nakaya, who's the skyline coupe driver in this race with the 8, and after seeing that mishap i thought he's also one of the better drivers in BM. most a lot of the races he's usually in 2nd or 3rd place. but then he usually has the gt-r or evo...in the old days.
the specs in the video should be correct. j-spec s2000 has 250hp. and it also has 160lb-ft of torque. so it's no surprise that it was faster. s2000 has a pretty broad power band too doesn't it? i mean once it hits vtec it keeps going until the end. is the 8's that much diff? with those tertiary ports and all, i tend to think that it's pretty much the same.
the specs in the video should be correct. j-spec s2000 has 250hp. and it also has 160lb-ft of torque. so it's no surprise that it was faster. s2000 has a pretty broad power band too doesn't it? i mean once it hits vtec it keeps going until the end. is the 8's that much diff? with those tertiary ports and all, i tend to think that it's pretty much the same.
07-05-2003, 11:35 PM
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The torque delivery is suppose to be much different. JSG, an ex-s2k driver converted into a rx-8 driver in jap, has already commented on the differences. He described the s2k as very peaky and hitting the vtech as the equivelance of the turbos kicking in while the rx-8 has a smooth power delivery so the power is sent gradually never feeling a sudden burst, which I translate to as a better daily driver and has a better power delivery regardless of the revs. The s2k's vtec is suppose to kick in couple thousand rpms after the the rx-8's ports open so the rx-8's power band should be longer. I've also seen videos of the rx-8 being shifted at 9.5k instead of the 9k redline meaning the rx-8's power band is even longer due to the fact the s2k's tach only goes up to 9k and it redlines at 9. So its the s2k's 7k-9k vs rx-8s 6/6.5k-9.5k I could be wrong though.
07-06-2003, 11:19 AM
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The RX8's powerband is not THAT much broader than the S2000's. The following is a link of the two torque curves superimposed:
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...&highlight=rx8 gearing ratios&pagenumber=11
Basically, the RX8 has 5-15 lb.-ft. more of engine torque through much of the powerband, but the RX8 also has 6 lb.-ft. more peak engine torque. However, take weight and gearing (the renesis's poor fuel efficiency limits its ability to use more aggressive gearing) and its advantage is lost. Whenever the S2000 switches to I-VTEC, the curves will likely get more similar, but the comparison won't be as clean as it looks like Honda is dropping the redline at the same time.
http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...&highlight=rx8 gearing ratios&pagenumber=11
Basically, the RX8 has 5-15 lb.-ft. more of engine torque through much of the powerband, but the RX8 also has 6 lb.-ft. more peak engine torque. However, take weight and gearing (the renesis's poor fuel efficiency limits its ability to use more aggressive gearing) and its advantage is lost. Whenever the S2000 switches to I-VTEC, the curves will likely get more similar, but the comparison won't be as clean as it looks like Honda is dropping the redline at the same time.
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07-07-2003, 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by Lensman
Agreed but it should be possible to apply the power of the RX-8 with greater ease than that of the Honda and I would have assumed that it would make some difference. Evidentally not.
Agreed but it should be possible to apply the power of the RX-8 with greater ease than that of the Honda and I would have assumed that it would make some difference. Evidentally not.
On the road though, the more linear delivery of the RX-8 means you may be able to "catch out" (for want of a better phrase) an S2k.
Wasn't that Top Gear's (or some such program) moan about the S2k when it was first reviewed. It was a little too much for the road, because to get the performance out of it you had to be driving it flat out. I guess the same could be said of any VTEC engine though (and I suppose, the RX?)
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07-08-2003, 02:39 AM
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Info about the drivers:
http://www.miataforum.com/ubb/ultima...;f=11;t=012310
And yes, the RX-8 guy in the video is a good one
As someone at the link above posted:
"Mazda is known for making interesting cars cheap. Not awesome cars, just interesting ones. Ones you can get excited by. Ones you can actually afford to drive.
In order to pull it off, they sacrifice some of the obvious and invest the difference in the soul of the car."
Think about RX-8 as the Miata. A car with a soul. It is not made to be a fast car, but it is made to be fun to drive
http://www.miataforum.com/ubb/ultima...;f=11;t=012310
And yes, the RX-8 guy in the video is a good one
As someone at the link above posted:
"Mazda is known for making interesting cars cheap. Not awesome cars, just interesting ones. Ones you can get excited by. Ones you can actually afford to drive.
In order to pull it off, they sacrifice some of the obvious and invest the difference in the soul of the car."
Think about RX-8 as the Miata. A car with a soul. It is not made to be a fast car, but it is made to be fun to drive
07-11-2003, 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by jmanolov
Info about the drivers:
http://www.miataforum.com/ubb/ultima...;f=11;t=012310
And yes, the RX-8 guy in the video is a good one
As someone at the link above posted:
"Mazda is known for making interesting cars cheap. Not awesome cars, just interesting ones. Ones you can get excited by. Ones you can actually afford to drive.
In order to pull it off, they sacrifice some of the obvious and invest the difference in the soul of the car."
Think about RX-8 as the Miata. A car with a soul. It is not made to be a fast car, but it is made to be fun to drive
Info about the drivers:
http://www.miataforum.com/ubb/ultima...;f=11;t=012310
And yes, the RX-8 guy in the video is a good one
As someone at the link above posted:
"Mazda is known for making interesting cars cheap. Not awesome cars, just interesting ones. Ones you can get excited by. Ones you can actually afford to drive.
In order to pull it off, they sacrifice some of the obvious and invest the difference in the soul of the car."
Think about RX-8 as the Miata. A car with a soul. It is not made to be a fast car, but it is made to be fun to drive
OMG come on that such a cop out. It's like in little league after your kid looses..."hey its not who wins or looses but the spirit of the game." please...
This should be a wakeup call to mazda to start pushing the power on their cars. My 6 is so slugish ... the miata ...slow
The mazdaspeed protege .. slow
07-11-2003, 12:16 PM
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Then you shouldn't have bought the 6.
As I have said for over a year now... if you're looking at the RX-8 to be faster in a straight line or around a track.. you're buying it for the wrong reasons.
I am buying it because it's powered adequately and it will (ideally) put a big smile on my face.
If power puts a smile on your face... look at another bloody car. Don't complain.
As I have said for over a year now... if you're looking at the RX-8 to be faster in a straight line or around a track.. you're buying it for the wrong reasons.
I am buying it because it's powered adequately and it will (ideally) put a big smile on my face.
If power puts a smile on your face... look at another bloody car. Don't complain.
07-11-2003, 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Hercules
Then you shouldn't have bought the 6.
As I have said for over a year now... if you're looking at the RX-8 to be faster in a straight line or around a track.. you're buying it for the wrong reasons.
I am buying it because it's powered adequately and it will (ideally) put a big smile on my face.
If power puts a smile on your face... look at another bloody car. Don't complain.
Then you shouldn't have bought the 6.
As I have said for over a year now... if you're looking at the RX-8 to be faster in a straight line or around a track.. you're buying it for the wrong reasons.
I am buying it because it's powered adequately and it will (ideally) put a big smile on my face.
If power puts a smile on your face... look at another bloody car. Don't complain.
That's why i bought the mazda6 .. it takes corners REAL nice !!!! and has LOTS of interior room and manumatic
but I'm not dillusional in thinking it's some hot shot sports car that can take out a rsx/wrx or s2000....
Enjoy your cars... life is short
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07-11-2003, 03:07 PM
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The JDM WRX has a variable valve timing that the US doesn't have - giving it 247 hp (250 ps).
And you guys thinking the Best Motoring guy wasn't driving fast enough - keep dreaming - the car is just slow.
The RSX is a Type R - no shame in losing to that!
And you guys thinking the Best Motoring guy wasn't driving fast enough - keep dreaming - the car is just slow.
The RSX is a Type R - no shame in losing to that!
07-11-2003, 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Dawg
The JDM WRX has a variable valve timing that the US doesn't have - giving it 247 hp (250 ps).
And you guys thinking the Best Motoring guy wasn't driving fast enough - keep dreaming - the car is just slow.
The RSX is a Type R - no shame in losing to that!
The JDM WRX has a variable valve timing that the US doesn't have - giving it 247 hp (250 ps).
And you guys thinking the Best Motoring guy wasn't driving fast enough - keep dreaming - the car is just slow.
The RSX is a Type R - no shame in losing to that!
The wrx is fast considering it's AWD
usually AWD tranny suck a lot of power
Whats funny is I told you all way back in July of 2002 that this car ain't gonna be fast. It''ll have worse sales than the 6 sadly too because its not a true sedan. Of course all you "enthusiasts" are so blind and think the rx-8 is the holy grail
lol
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07-11-2003, 10:37 PM
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block, please STOP the car isn't about racing 350z's or Neons at stoplights. Im only 16 and im mature enough to realize that that kinda stuff is reseverd for men who need to make up for something in life. Sure if you look at it your NEON is 3th's of a second faster then the 8 in the quater, but big ****. Its also a NEON for christ sake man thats worse then a civic. Its great that u have ur lil 3th's but you don't have style, i meen what kid grows up saying im going to drive a neon ooo0o0o and its going to be turbocharged so its not as slow as the regular neons because their ugly. The 8 is more then a car it a work of art.
FYI the car is selling like hot cakes, just stoped by my dealer today said the cars will be in monday and 16 of the first 20 cars have been sold. (can't wait to go test drive :D
FYI the car is selling like hot cakes, just stoped by my dealer today said the cars will be in monday and 16 of the first 20 cars have been sold. (can't wait to go test drive :D
07-12-2003, 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by PoLaK
block, please STOP the car isn't about racing 350z's or Neons at stoplights. Im only 16 and im mature enough to realize that that kinda stuff is reseverd for men who need to make up for something in life. Sure if you look at it your NEON is 3th's of a second faster then the 8 in the quater, but big ****. Its also a NEON for christ sake man thats worse then a civic. Its great that u have ur lil 3th's but you don't have style, i meen what kid grows up saying im going to drive a neon ooo0o0o and its going to be turbocharged so its not as slow as the regular neons because their ugly. The 8 is more then a car it a work of art.
FYI the car is selling like hot cakes, just stoped by my dealer today said the cars will be in monday and 16 of the first 20 cars have been sold. (can't wait to go test drive :D
block, please STOP the car isn't about racing 350z's or Neons at stoplights. Im only 16 and im mature enough to realize that that kinda stuff is reseverd for men who need to make up for something in life. Sure if you look at it your NEON is 3th's of a second faster then the 8 in the quater, but big ****. Its also a NEON for christ sake man thats worse then a civic. Its great that u have ur lil 3th's but you don't have style, i meen what kid grows up saying im going to drive a neon ooo0o0o and its going to be turbocharged so its not as slow as the regular neons because their ugly. The 8 is more then a car it a work of art.
FYI the car is selling like hot cakes, just stoped by my dealer today said the cars will be in monday and 16 of the first 20 cars have been sold. (can't wait to go test drive :D
What the fyck are you talking about? What neon? Stop smoking rat poison ...
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If the car isn't about racing then why have a racing section here?
"RX-8 Competition(Racing) "
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07-12-2003, 10:23 AM
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OHHH so it rules in the twisties
so how'd it get owned in auto-x
LOL
zoom zoom my *** HEHEH
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That was my reference to the neon's...... and the keyword to our racing section is Competition which infers a organized event that isn't going to be a straight line.
Do not start a flame war with me.
OHHH so it rules in the twisties
so how'd it get owned in auto-x
LOL
zoom zoom my *** HEHEH
srtforums.com ownz j000z
That was my reference to the neon's...... and the keyword to our racing section is Competition which infers a organized event that isn't going to be a straight line.
Do not start a flame war with me.
07-12-2003, 04:04 PM
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"Do not start a flame war with me."
nah i'm not a looser with a ton of time to kill posting on a gey board for a slower than a rsx car.... hence my low post count.. omg look at yours LOL!!!
Peace..
nah i'm not a looser with a ton of time to kill posting on a gey board for a slower than a rsx car.... hence my low post count.. omg look at yours LOL!!!
Peace..
07-12-2003, 06:23 PM
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Block: plz stop trolling. I just had to wade through multiple posts of crud in order to find out that there are no other "new" videos to be had/viewed.
Much appreciated, Thx!
Much appreciated, Thx!
07-14-2003, 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by AsianStyle
Hmm... No one understands the hp mix ups? and the rx-8 really didn't burn anyone at the beginning it was just because the placement of the cars so the rx-8 had a head start but eventually got taken by all the other cars. None of the cars in the video except the wrx had turbo.
s2k = inline 4, 240hp, 153ft-lbs / Video states 250ps
g35 = v6, 280hp, 270ft - lbs / Video states 280ps
rsx-r = inline 4, 220hp, about 150ft-lbs / Video states 220ps
rx-8 = 2 rotor, 250hp, 159ft-lbs / Video states 250ps
*wrx = turbo 4, 227hp, 217ft-lbs / Video states 250ps
as you can see the wrx is the only turbo car and many of the cars like the wrx,s2k, and the rsx have more hp then their US counter parts. I know the rsx-r is a much different car then the type s in the states but the other 2 cars the wrx and s2k should be completely the same. If the s2k does 250hp from its 2.0L inline 4 it's hp/l number would be 125 instead of the 120 number that everyone taked about during its release. I believe the rx-8 had problems like the stuck ports or the driver wasnt pushing it enough( I noticed he was kind of light on the gas pedal when they showed close ups). The gearing should not be tall because their were previous discussions on how the gearing was done well for the car and helps eliminate the lack of low end torque. Many things just dont seem to make sense.
Hmm... No one understands the hp mix ups? and the rx-8 really didn't burn anyone at the beginning it was just because the placement of the cars so the rx-8 had a head start but eventually got taken by all the other cars. None of the cars in the video except the wrx had turbo.
s2k = inline 4, 240hp, 153ft-lbs / Video states 250ps
g35 = v6, 280hp, 270ft - lbs / Video states 280ps
rsx-r = inline 4, 220hp, about 150ft-lbs / Video states 220ps
rx-8 = 2 rotor, 250hp, 159ft-lbs / Video states 250ps
*wrx = turbo 4, 227hp, 217ft-lbs / Video states 250ps
as you can see the wrx is the only turbo car and many of the cars like the wrx,s2k, and the rsx have more hp then their US counter parts. I know the rsx-r is a much different car then the type s in the states but the other 2 cars the wrx and s2k should be completely the same. If the s2k does 250hp from its 2.0L inline 4 it's hp/l number would be 125 instead of the 120 number that everyone taked about during its release. I believe the rx-8 had problems like the stuck ports or the driver wasnt pushing it enough( I noticed he was kind of light on the gas pedal when they showed close ups). The gearing should not be tall because their were previous discussions on how the gearing was done well for the car and helps eliminate the lack of low end torque. Many things just dont seem to make sense.
07-15-2003, 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by block911
"Do not start a flame war with me."
nah i'm not a looser with a ton of time to kill posting on a gey board for a slower than a rsx car.... hence my low post count.. omg look at yours LOL!!!
Peace..
"Do not start a flame war with me."
nah i'm not a looser with a ton of time to kill posting on a gey board for a slower than a rsx car.... hence my low post count.. omg look at yours LOL!!!
Peace..
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07-16-2003, 05:43 PM
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You got the video on VHS?
Check this website for tons of Best Motoring VCD's, much easier to handle Some video samples online too!
http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring...stmotoring.htm
Check this website for tons of Best Motoring VCD's, much easier to handle
Some video samples online too!http://www.tuningpt.com/bestmotoring...stmotoring.htm
07-21-2003, 11:53 PM
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Let's pretend for one second that the 174whp dyno on the 6MT RX-8 was actually accurate. Would that account for the event that took place in the BM video? I mean, a 174whp RX-8 would have been passed easily by WRX and Integra R. Possible?
07-22-2003, 10:30 PM
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What about?
Is this thread ever going to include the rest of the video? I know there may be a bandwidth limitation problem, but I'd love to download the rest of the pieces.