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Taiki Rotary Sportscar Concept to be unveiled at Tokyo Auto Show
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Just released from Mazda press room (edited to contain only information about the Taiki concept):
The all-new Mazda Atenza - soon to be introduced in Japan, the Mazda Taiki concept car, equipped with a next-generation rotary engine, the new Mazda Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid, a series of future-oriented powertrains, and a variety of environmental and safety technologies will be revealed by Mazda Motor Corporation (Mazda) at the 40th Tokyo Motor Show*1 in October 2007. Mazda Taiki continues the evolution of the Nagare design theme, following in the footsteps of the Mazda Nagare, Mazda Ryuga, and Mazda Hakaze concept vehicles. As the fourth in the series, Mazda Taiki further advances and refines the theme through a fusion of the Nagare (flow) design concept and real-world technologies, such as a next-generation rotary engine and enhanced aerodynamic performance. Mazda Taiki sets a new ideal for the front-engine rear-drive sports car of the future. Mazda Taiki Mazda Taiki reflects one possible direction for a future generation of Mazda sports cars aimed at helping create a sustainable society. The fourth concept car in the Nagare design series, Mazda Taiki further evolves the “flow” theme to establish a breathtaking presence that clearly distinguishes it as the next in the series, and which visually expresses the atmosphere – called taiki in Japanese – that wraps the Earth in its protective mantle. The basic proportions begin with the stretched coupe form of a front-engine rear-wheel-drive layout, the short overhangs, and the liberating feel of an all-glass canopy. The challenge to create “a design that visually expresses the flow of air” was inspired by the image of a pair of Hagoromo – the flowing robes that enable a celestial maiden to fly in Japanese legend – floating down from the sky. Inspired by Japanese koinobori – the decorative “climbing carp streamers”– the notion of creating an Air-tube became the concept word for the interior design. In accordance, from the dashboard and seats down to the door trim, the interior space creates the dynamic sensation that the flow of the wind is being visually depicted. Centering around the performance rotary engine sports packaging that is synonymous with the Mazda name, technologies introduced for the Mazda Taiki include the next-generation RENESIS (rotary engine 16X), which sets new standards for environmental and driving performance, a front-engine rear-drive layout, a unique 2-seat configuration, and Mazda’s rotary sports package, which conveys an image of lightness. The effect integrates the design theme perfectly to realize outstanding aerodynamic performance. and then a bit more info on the next-gen RENESIS engine: Next Generation RENESIS (Rotary Engine 16X) In developing the next-generation RENESIS, Mazda made a thoroughgoing revision of engine dimensions including the trochoid rotor housing, adopting a longer stroke and larger displacement of 1600cc (800cc x 2) aimed to raise thermal efficiency and boost torque at all engine speeds. By employing the Hydrogen RE design policy of a direct injection system and aluminum side housing, as well as various other measures, we are further promoting the rotary engine’s merits of light weight and compact size. see attached for teaser pics of the Taiki concept :) |
wow, just wow. Taiki is gorgeous, in a living-machine kind of way.
Obviously only the engine is going to make it into production, but as far as concepts go, I'd say Mazda is the most creative. |
jesus h christ in a chicken bucket that rear is hideous
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Yeah, that is pretty much the nastiest, ugliest, most confused design I have ever seen.
It looks like it was made out of wet-formed plywood. |
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I'm freaked out.
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Wow. I love it. I hope more come of this.
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Looks a bit like a Whale that swallowed Trainer Wheels...!!!!!??????
Like the alloys ;) |
Love the turbine wheels. Blowing air at the brake rotors.
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first thing I noticed.. wouldnt there be issues with wider tires in the rear? I'm guessing there's something you could do, but still seems odd
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its a concept!!!
with those tire widths, it'll have problem with 100hp. ________ California medical marijuana dispensary |
wtf
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Originally Posted by Renesis_8
(Post 2081471)
its a concept!!!
with those tire widths, it'll have problem with 100hp. |
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Yes, the wheels are interesting
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if they carried the rear wheels the same way with the front wheels (real sweeping arches) I think it wouldn't look half bad.
the rear on it right now sucks |
those wheels are fuckin sick, id buy a set for my car
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Am I the only one that doesn't care how ugly the car is when you put it up next to the fact that mazda has a concept out that is a 2 door coupe (as opposed to a 4 door coupe), which looks like it has only 2 seats, extremely aggressive styling, a new rotary (16X, that just sounds weird) that sounds like it might be all aluminum?
I mean seriously... what does that say to you? but yes.. the rear end of that car is retarded. |
I actually like the back end. I don't like the position of the wheels or the front wheel drive..... but it's pretty neat.
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this car is RWD
The new RENESIS rotary engine dubbed the 16X, a twin rotor unit sending drive to the rear wheels. |
That pos is gorgeous? Are some of you guys on crack?
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it really looks like this car is definitly an alien vs predator version of the RX-8........
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that's one weird looking concept.
which is OK, since cost will eliminate any chance of actually producing it as shown. but a 1.6 rotary in a RWD 2 seater? Count me in. Hydrogen adds an interesting twist - emissions have always plagued rotaries. It's one of the reasons we burn gas outside the combustion chamber and get poor gas mileage. H2 burns clean - might just work, but I wonder if they can actually pull it off anytime in the near future. more torque? Count me in again. not sure there's a H2 station in my area yet... |
Originally Posted by Ajax
(Post 2081852)
Am I the only one that doesn't care how ugly the car is when you put it up next to the fact that mazda has a concept out that is a 2 door coupe (as opposed to a 4 door coupe), which looks like it has only 2 seats, extremely aggressive styling, a new rotary (16X, that just sounds weird) that sounds like it might be all aluminum?
I mean seriously... what does that say to you? but yes.. the rear end of that car is retarded. R X - 7 |
Heard from a employee with MNAO (who shall remain nameless) that the engine "can" make 300hp. Keep in mind that is probably without any power robbing devices on the car such as alternator, a/c, etc and probably tuned with little account for emissions. What the car will do with everything on it will most likely be less than that. 270-280 is a reasonable guess. As far as torque goes, and this is only speculation on my part, it will probably be somewhere around the 190-200 ft lb mark. I base this on a very simple scaling. The Renesis at 160 cu in produces around 160 ft lbs of torque or so. give or take a few. Even the 13B's could do about that. The new engine is roughly 190 cu in or so which should put it's torque proportionately higher at the 190-200 mark. You'll feel it.
Also heard some interesting development information that the rotary designers were given a very strict timetable in order to meet their emissions targets. The date was the end of September. They apparently came in just under the wire on that one. If they didn't meet it, the project wasn't supposed to get the go ahead. Keep in mind we are talking about emissions standards for 2010-2011 and beyond and it has to meet everyone's standards. The direct injection is what makes it all possible. I'm excited. Let's see it. |
16x rotary + .5 bar boost = I am sooooooo there!
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Good that direct injection did so much for the rotary, I am sure there are still room for development on the 16X. Meeting the emissions should give the rotary designers some time to refine the new engine. I don't think they'll release the engine as is for a 2010 model year car.
280hp is more than enough. This is a 2-seater coupe, it will probably weight somewhere around 2800lb. But this car will have superb balance and low CG. ________ PrittyCoed live |
Mazda, oh how I love and hate you. This concept is yet another beautiful work of art, and its engine proves your undying commitment to the Wankel. But when will the concepts transition into production concepts? Gimme something closer to reality! Thank god it's only the start of the auto show season. At NY in March, I'll be watching you like a hawk, Mazda. Bring your A-game.
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As far as I know the 16X (or equivalent capacity) has not been given the go ahead for mass production.
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The Blue RX-8 Pic looks like a Mazdaspeed version..?? |
1.6 liter? Hmm, someone mentioned that a year ago.
Lightweight all-aluminum? Maybe aluminum is the only lightweight metal that will be found in the new powerplant. |
Originally Posted by ASH8
(Post 2082455)
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The Blue RX-8 Pic looks like a Mazdaspeed version..?? |
Originally Posted by rotary crazy
(Post 2082828)
Yes I saw that too, whats up with that?
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Originally Posted by Renesis_8
(Post 2082152)
Good that direct injection did so much for the rotary, I am sure there are still room for development on the 16X. Meeting the emissions should give the rotary designers some time to refine the new engine. I don't think they'll release the engine as is for a 2010 model year car.
280hp is more than enough. This is a 2-seater coupe, it will probably weight somewhere around 2800lb. But this car will have superb balance and low CG. |
Originally Posted by rotary crazy
(Post 2082828)
Yes I saw that too, whats up with that?
To be honest RC I am a little disappointed with Mazda's effort (with what they have released), APART from the 16X (which is great news), there is still no guarantee it will make production and we will only see it as a hybrid/duel fuel. How is a larger displaced engine going to pass 'future' emissions without the "hydro" option....We all know that is the long term future of the Rotary. Provided in the end the "bean counters" give it the thumbs up. So it appears 2009 could be the year for an ALL new Mazda Rotary Car at the Tokyo Motor Show....that WILL be for sale. |
Originally Posted by ASH8
(Post 2083310)
I think I would not read much into it, I agree with the other reply ^ to your question.
To be honest RC I am a little disappointed with Mazda's effort (with what they have released), APART from the 16X (which is great news), there is still no guarantee it will make production and we will only see it as a hybrid/duel fuel. How is a larger displaced engine going to pass 'future' emissions without the "hydro" option....We all know that is the long term future of the Rotary. Provided in the end the "bean counters" give it the thumbs up. So it appears 2009 could be the year for an ALL new Mazda Rotary Car at the Tokyo Motor Show....that WILL be for sale. |
Originally Posted by robrecht
(Post 2083400)
You are scary smart. Are you saying that all the changes to the rotary make more sense to try and make the hydrogen hybrid more workable than to merely improve cool rotary sports cars? Of course, we hope it's both, but is the hope for a hydrogen future what's primarily driving rotary development now?
Well, I think he's saying that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. That is, the ~2009 MS RX8 may end up being the only car with a Renesis 2 that doesn't run on hydrogen (and half the horsepower) |
Originally Posted by RXLogic
(Post 2083497)
Well, I think he's saying that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. That is, the ~2009 MS RX8 may end up being the only car with a Renesis 2 that doesn't run on hydrogen (and half the horsepower)
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I'd really like to see Mazda give up this "flow" concept as an excuse to make cars that look like bad IKEA coffee tables. Maybe soon they'll realize that their best looking (and by no coincidence most popular) concept, the Kabura, actually looks like a normal car, and not something from an acid flashback in a botanical garden.
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As Mazda says of the 16X....
Next Generation RENESIS (Rotary Engine 16X) In developing the next-generation RENESIS, Mazda made a thoroughgoing revision of engine dimensions including the trochoid rotor housing, adopting a longer stroke and larger displacement of 1600cc (800cc x 2) aimed to raise thermal efficiency and boost torque at all engine speeds. By employing the Hydrogen RE design policy of a direct injection system and aluminum side housing, as well as various other measures, we are further promoting the rotary engine’s merits of light weight and compact size. So I see this as a DI System in the 16X and uses dino fuels only? Wasn't the SENKU Concept also a DI Rotary? |
Originally Posted by RXLogic
(Post 2083497)
Well, I think he's saying that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. That is, the ~2009 MS RX8 may end up being the only car with a Renesis 2 that doesn't run on hydrogen (and half the horsepower)
New Mazda Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid Compared with the Mazda RX-8 Hydrogen RE, the new Premacy Hydrogen RE Hybrid yields 40% better output, resulting in enhanced acceleration performance and an extended hydrogen-fueled range of about 200km, or twice that of the RX-8 Hydrogen RE. |
Originally Posted by robrecht
(Post 2083535)
OK, thanks, I was just assuming that a MS 8 at this point would not yet have the 16X, too soon. But we live in hope.
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To clarify, I do not mean the current Z's on the street now, I mean the 2009 Z's...
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Originally Posted by ASH8
(Post 2082445)
As far as I know the 16X (or equivalent capacity) has not been given the go ahead for mass production.
as of end of september it has. seperate source from rg but same info. |
Originally Posted by zoom44
(Post 2083974)
as of end of september it has. seperate source from rg but same info.
REALLY!, Good News, Last night I had info from an Australian Member with another MA contact saying the "16X" is eXperimental ONLY. Having said that, IMO Mazda has to do something now for your Market to boost sales of the 8, after all it has around 3-4 years of production remaining. And we all know what the US wants...more HP. |
Originally Posted by zoom44
(Post 2083974)
as of end of september it has. seperate source from rg but same info.
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One would assume that the engine would be called 16A in production form.
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They can call it the 16hamsandwich for all I care. I just can't wait for 2010!:rock:
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I wouldn't mind if Mazda finally did bring that blue MS 8 to the market. I'd buy that bodykit in a heartbeat
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