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Old 07-06-2009, 03:00 PM
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MotorWeek - 2009 Mazda RX8 R3 On Track Test - July 10, 2009

I watch MotorWeek on PBS each week, and at the end of this week's show, they announced that the July 10, 2009 show would have a test of the RX8 R3.

Confirmed it on their website.
MotorWeek #2845

Episode Title: 2845/BMW 7-Series
PBS broadcast window begins July 10, 2009

Quick Listing:

Road Test: 2009 BMW 7-Series
On Track Test: 2009 Mazda RX8 R3
Goss' Garage: Summertime Roadside Safety
FYI: What Happens If My Dealer Goes Bust


Created this thread as a placeholder for discussion. Remember to set your DVR!

Edit - here is the video located on youtube - thanks Christianv for finding it
[embed]DdwCb5d7ok8[/embed]

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Never seen the show, and I don't get PBS as I get only HD programming from Dish Network.

I'm sure it'll surface on youtube.

Hopefully it's just a driving impression test on the track, and they don't actually time the car.
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Never seen the show, and I don't get PBS as I get only HD programming from Dish Network.

I'm sure it'll surface on youtube.

Hopefully it's just a driving impression test on the track, and they don't actually time the car.
Although the review will include impressions from driving it on a road course, they almost certainly will time the car on their drag strip. They usually test 0-60, quarter mile, and 60-0 braking. They don't measure slalom or skidpad numbers, but they show video of them going through a slalom, and rate the balance of the car subjectively.
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Thanks for heads up. I used to watch this show all the time before I started downloading European automotive shows. The last ones I remember where a little on the boring side but that was 1-2 years ago. I'd fall asleep somewhere during Goss's Garage, lol. RX-8 coverage will make it worth watching plus I think I have an HD PBS now. Does that Jessica chick still do the weeks Motoring news?
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Thanks for heads up. I used to watch this show all the time before I started downloading European automotive shows. The last ones I remember where a little on the boring side but that was 1-2 years ago. I'd fall asleep somewhere during Goss's Garage, lol. RX-8 coverage will make it worth watching plus I think I have an HD PBS now. Does that Jessica chick still do the weeks Motoring news?
We get HD PBS in Austin on TW cable too... and, yes Jessica Choksey still does the news LOL

And I agree... some weeks the show is just abysmal, but other weeks they showcase the newest sports cars and hi perf sedans, and it's not too bad. The video essay portion showing all the interior features as well as it running on a track are pretty informative.

I also always think Goss's Garage is going to be lame, but he knows his ****, and sometimes you'll pick up a little nugget of knowledge.
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I also always think Goss's Garage is going to be lame, but he knows his ****, and sometimes you'll pick up a little nugget of knowledge.
Yeah, I was exaggerating a bit but admit to actually learning a few things from him.
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Someone please tape it and put in YouTube or Brightcove. Motorweek can be really bland at times. They never seem to say anything negative about a car.
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Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
I watch MotorWeek on PBS each week, and at the end of this week's show, they announced that the July 10, 2009 show would have a test of the RX8 R3.

Confirmed it on their website.
MotorWeek #2845

Episode Title: 2845/BMW 7-Series
PBS broadcast window begins July 10, 2009

Quick Listing:
Road Test: 2009 BMW 7-Series
On Track Test: 2009 Mazda RX8 R3
Goss' Garage: Summertime Roadside Safety
FYI: What Happens If My Dealer Goes Bust


Created this thread as a placeholder for discussion. Remember to set your DVR!
Thanks for the heads up!!

I remember when they ran the the '04 RX-8 head to head with thr 350Z and they picked the RX-8.
Motor Week has always been about a little more than just 0 - 60 times unlike some "drivers" we have trolling here.

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MW is one of those shows best watched off the DVR, where time is negotiable...
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Someone please record.
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Aways nice to get someone's perspective on a car.
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http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2830b.shtml

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It's not a bad review... I haven't seen the show yet, because it comes on Sunday mornings. I can't find any glaring misrepresentation other than misprint of the Horsepower number in the summary box.
Here's the text from the article for posterity.
Originally Posted by MotorWeek
2009 Mazda RX-8 R3
Program #2830

Time waits for no man, nor car. So even when we love one as much as the Mazda RX-8 sports car, there comes a time for change. But while at first glance it may look like the 2009 Mazda RX-8 has just had a much-needed facelift, the freshening is much more than skin deep. Mazda has spruced up its rotary wonder with a new enthusiast-tuned R3 model, and we just couldn't wait to put it through the Roebling Road twisties for a proper test.

It would be easy to forgive Mazda if they had just left the RX-8 alone, or even cut it from the lineup altogether, and just chalk it up as another victim of today's dismal automotive economy.

But for now at least, Mazda is sticking with its 4-door sports car, as a near track-ready 2009 RX-8 R3 roams the streets with a renewed sense of sporting purpose.

Visually, styling is updated with a new front clip that juts out further at the bottom and has larger brake-cooling ducts below standard self-leveling xenon headlights.

Meanwhile, twin round LED tail lights are added at the rear. Side sill extensions and a low hoop spoiler add to the aggressive look while improving high-speed stability.

But the work done under the car is what we noticed around Roebling Road's high-speed corners. A stiffer driveshaft and urethane-foam-injected front suspension cross-member reduce vibration, while Bilstein shock absorbers and revised suspension geometry upgrade the R3's handling.

The R3 rides on lightweight 19-inch alloy wheels, an inch larger than other RX-8s, and wears sticky 225/40-series Bridgestone Potenza tires.

Inside, the R3 driver sits snugly in well-bolstered Recaro buckets and faces a mixture of analog and digital gauges. We've always liked the RX-8 cockpit as a well-laid-out and cozy place to spend time and that hasn't changed. The rear seat is unchanged too, and remains 2+2 tight for anyone.

While you won't find a sunroof, heated mirrors or Nav system on the R3, not all creature comforts are sacrificed to the gods of lightweight and handling: The R3 still boasts a hands-free Bluetooth phone setup and 300-watt Bose sound system to keep its occupants in touch and entertained.

And while the RX-8 has always been an entertaining car on the race track, the R3 makes a great-handling car even greater, without the penalty of harsher ride that so often accompanies a super-tuned suspension.

Google the words "steering response" and you should find a link to this car: turn-ins are crisp, steering is direct but never darty, and feel for the road is superb.

In fast S-bends, the RX-8 R3 arcs between apexes with great agility, composure and consistency. But great handling will only carry you so far. To truly be a track star, a car needs a good power to weight ratio, and here the RX-8 is still sorely lacking. There's just not enough oomph under the hood to fully exploit the car's handling potential.

The Rotary engine is as much a part of Mazda's heritage as the flat-6 is to Porsche or the V-12 to Ferrari.

We've long been smitten by its high-revving nature and bulletproof reputation, so we can understand why Mazda sticks with this "little engine that could" even when more modern designs could do the job better.

Coupled to a 6-speed manual gearbox, the 1.3 liter, 2-rotor unit spins out 232 horsepower to the rear wheels. Automatic-equipped cars make do with just 212 horsepower, and both produce a paltry 159 pound-feet of torque.

In straight line performance, that low torque number translates into no bottom end, and a 6.6 second jog to 60 miles-per-hour. The quarter-mile takes a full 15 seconds at 95 miles-per-hour.

The engine revs quickly and is super smooth, but peak power hits at a lofty 8500 RPM. More to our liking is the slick action of our car's 6-speed manual shifter. Throws are short and precise, while clutch engagement is soft but easy to master.

Braking feel is a little on the soft side too, but delivered consistent worry-free performance lap after lap. Stops from 60 averaged a short 118 feet thanks to four-wheel discs with ABS.

Government fuel economy ratings for the RX-8 are 16 city and 22 highway on premium gas - okay numbers but not great. Also not terrific is the Energy Impact Score of 19 barrels of oil per year with a carbon footprint rating of 10.2 tons of CO2 emitted annually.

Pricing numbers for the RX-8 R3 are pretty good at $32,600. That's a modest $930 above the RX-8 Grand Touring package but swaps some luxury bits for suspension, bodywork and seating upgrades.

Even with some shortcomings, we commend Mazda for staying true to their rotary heritage with the RX-8. The R3 package widens the car's appeal to weekend track warriors and mountain road runners, and reminds us what a well-balanced, great handling machine the RX-8 remains.
Performance Results
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ENGINE: 1.3 liter, 2-rotor unit
HORSEPOWER: 212
TORQUE: 159 lb feet
0-60 mph: 6.6 seconds
1/4 mile: 15.0 seconds @ 95 mph
60-0 mph: 118 feet
EPA: 16 mpg city/ 22 mpg highway
ENERGY IMPACT: 19.0 barrels oil/yr
CO2 EMISSIONS: 10.2 tons/yr
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Here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwCb5d7ok8
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Nice. That's it. Ok, so the original airing of the RX8 review was back in March LOL. This weeks is a re-run

I guess you could tell from the video that they didn't launch it at high RPM's. That explains the 6.6 0-60. Looked good in the track footage... flat and planted.
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is it annoying that the review is the r3 and the main picture is a base rx8?? doesn't even have the appearance package??
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Thanks for the YouTube link. Fun to see the R3 screaming around the turns, but they use the same footage again and again throughout the review. A fairly positive review for a car that was basically introduced in 2009. Just touches on the same shortcomings that have become even more glaring as time has gone by w/o a change under the hood.
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I just watched the car and driver review again...after loooking at the numbers, it seems like the R3 was in a tight race and barely missed out on 2nd place.
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I noticed a bunch of insects buzzing around in the vid and thought it was my imagination at first. I find it interesting that the automotive world and it's media have already adopted climate change terminology: Carbon footprint rating.

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Pretty fair evaluation.

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Coupled to a 6-speed manual gearbox, the 1.3 liter, 2-rotor unit spins out 232 horsepower to the rear wheels. Automatic-equipped cars make do with just 212 horsepower, and both produce a paltry 159 pound-feet of torque.

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In straight line performance, that low torque number translates into no bottom end, and a 6.6 second jog to 60 miles-per-hour. The quarter-mile takes a full 15 seconds at 95 miles-per-hour.

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Even with some [these] shortcomings, we commend Mazda for staying true to their rotary heritage with the RX-8. The R3 package widens the car's appeal to weekend track warriors and mountain road runners, and reminds us what a well-balanced, great handling machine the RX-8 remains.
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It would be nice if it made 232 to the rear wheels

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LOL Yeah, I looked askew at the tube when he said that as well.

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It would be nice if it made 232 to the rear wheels

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Originally Posted by YaXMaNGTO
Nice. That's it. Ok, so the original airing of the RX8 review was back in March LOL. This weeks is a re-run

I guess you could tell from the video that they didn't launch it at high RPM's. That explains the 6.6 0-60. Looked good in the track footage... flat and planted.
Yeah, that's what I thought too.. where do most guys/gals launch from?
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motorweek seems like a low-rent show in the best tradition of american car tv shows like motor trend tv, etc. it's like reading the summary comments box in car magazines, not terribly satisfying. ever since 5th gear and the new top gear, i really find these american shows not really watchable anymore
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5th gear and Top Gear are pwnage compared to these american shows....
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