Edmunds IL News on Next RX7 and RX9
 

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=141987

take it for what its worth, I hope they are right, but I'm sadly not as optimistic given the current economic and political climate.

the next RX is going have to do better than 20mpg in the city to have a shot production. Here is hoping the new engine combined with a light weight body can get economy in the 23-24mpg / city 29-31 hwy range.

I love the idea of the dual clutch tranny, solves alot of problems and is cheaper as its one size fits all.

If any of this is true, it's awesome.
Lighter with more power and better fuel economy would all be welcome sights for this car.

i think peter lyon is a pretty credible non-japanese auto journalist residing in japan. however, much of this smells like something out of best car or whatever those japanese car magazines are called (car x?) the transmission sounds a bit gadgety; i'd prefer a plain 6mt. i do hope at least some of this comes to fruition. we'll see what happens w/ this...

If all this is true and acutally happens, It will be amzaing. I will buy it for sure

it will happen.

It can"t happen soon enough. The competition is out there, and getting better every day.
If it's true, it could be a poor man's Porsche Cayman fighter, and put Mazda back on the sports car map...... If not R.I.P. rotary engine cars.

2600 lbs + 270hp = very nice. Too bad they can not get it to 300hp though.

I really hope that stuff comes true. 270 hp seems a bit low given what our competitors are doing BUT if they do reduce the weight, we could have one hell of a car on our hands.

Well if this happens its funny how they say nothing about the rx9 and what engine or layout it will have.

If they make it a twin clutch I wont buy it though, give me a regular 6spd manual and call it a day.

Bout time this leaks out. he tells you right in the article who is giving him the info. the supplier of the Tranny.

OK...spill the rest of it...waada you know chief? :icon_droo

zoom44, you saying there is some or lots of truth to this :)

....I like the part where they say, "...upwards of 270 HP". Wonder how far up^ is?

271

Tehehehehe I may stay in the rotary family now if this car comes out and gives good power and fuel economy<333

I would both love and hate to be in zoom's position... I'd love to know all that stuff, but in order to have the chance to know all that means he cant tell anyone till everyone already knows. And I would suck at that.

The car sounds interesting... when it says you can set revs at which the clutch engages... I assume they mean for launch purposes, right?

u know.


with toyota basically chucking the supra

and honda killing the nsx and the s2000.


my heart pounds with pride that mazda still doesnt give up.

Of course it's true. It's what all the true rotarheads have been hoping for all along. Except for the transmission part, a new lightweight RX-7 is the only obvious way forward. The 8 as the only rotary was never a good strategy, nor was it Mazda's original plan. It's like Protestantism and Reform Judaism without the pope and the hassidim.

For some reason, I have a feeling that the Mazda is heading the direction of making Rx-8/9 into a family/sports sedan (like Mazda6?), and Rx-7 as pure sports car. Because I don't see the point of having 2 rotary sports car at the same time. (Or maybe release them at different time) Owel, just a guess.

wait so how much hp did they say the rx8 would have before it was produced? 250hp, but really 232 so rx7 is sussposed to have 270 or ~248? lol well see

250 -> 238 (232 is another method of measurement, not really less hp)

I have a sneaking suspicion that 270 could be underestimating a little, if Mazda has finally learned their lesson (see my sig).

keeping my 8 until this comes out! then all bets are off!! lol

First, I'll believe this when I see it in dealerships, which would probably be 3 years from now at the absolute earliest.

Second, talk of a twin-clutch manumatic worries me. The only reason to go that route is in order to make it the ONLY tranny in order to get fuel efficieny up. I know that twin-clutch provides better performance, yadda yadda, but I would never buy a sports car without a proper manual.

Third, these supposed RX-7/RX-9 will have their own fair share of issues, especially with an all-new rotary and twin-clutch transmission. Look at the RX-8, they're still making some substantial improvements after 5 years of production. I certainly wouldn't be one of the first people in line for an all-new sports car (but that goes for any make/model).

Finally, what's the point? The RX-8 is "old" and still is regarded as one of the world's best driving cars even when put up against much newer and more "advanced" cars. I don't think either of these are going to be a quantum leap over the RX-8. They might go faster in a straight line, but the RX-8 is already about perfect in the twisties. A 2600lb. RX-7 would obviously be a two-seater in the same size class as the S2000 or MX-5...in which case I would rather have an S2000 or MX-5.

The ONLY cool thing I would hold out hope for is an RX-7 convertible. Other than that, my next car is going to be an MX-5 or RX-8. Not waiting around for these imaginary 16X cars. :)

Lack of a manual will drive the nails in the coffin. FFS Mazda don't alienate your faithful.

Seems like all sports cars are heading towards a double clutch transmission... Maybe that detail will be wrong and the rest is correct.

I cant help but agree with you on the problems, if you look at what mazda had to go through with these problematic engines in early models, even having to put out an extended waranty i doubt i would own a 1st or even 2nd year model. ill wait for a 3rd year model at the earliest before considering a next gen rotary car.

I would like to see the next RX go back to a 2 seater, but something larger than a miata. Not quite roadster yet not quite rx8 size...somethin similar to the new 370 dimmensions.

lastly i think a convertable rx would be hot esp if it was a hard top vert...yea i know weight.....maybe soft top with an optional hard top add on...or better yet maybe a coupe with a removeable targa...that would be hot.:spank:

what does zoom do that he would know all this info before hand?

I hope they don't tweak the formula much. The extra punch sounds frightening but I'm concerned the car would feel less intuitive with that tranny.

All you guys of little faith. I would damn well wish to own the 1st new RX-7/8/9 vehicle that hits the dealers here abouts with a new rotary body/engine. I did for the RX-8 back in '03, and Mazda has taken care of me, the car is fine (actually better than new with a brand new JDM engine in it).

I actually had put down my deposit in '01 before the design was even finalized. Damn it was worth it to have one of the first! You should have seen/heard the catcall from the streets when I 1st drove around in my brand new RX-8. You'd a thunk it was a $200,000 exotic, people crowded around, yelled from the sidewalk, came after me into stores to ask me what it was, etc.

If Mazda actually admitted to this I might do something similar again. Why not? You get the most exclusive vehicle around...and that's worth street cred in spades. You can't buy that kind of excitment and fun owning a new car, it only comes from a car built with a soul like the RX-8.

Whatever Mazda does with the rotary, you can bet on it being beyond cool.

talk to people:) - really i only heard this same thing from a journalist but was waiting to see someone print it before posting anything. things get said but then thigns get put on back burners and you look silly.

several of us(paul from mazmart , me etc) have been saying they will/should push the rx-8 slightly "upmarket" and land a new 7 below it in true 2 door form.

RG and I and others talked to the man in charge of the tranny development 2 7stocks ago. we mentioned it then. but everything takes sooo "long" in development time.

a twin clutch manual is a "proper" manual- no fracken torque converter. if you think its not a proper tranny because it doesnt have a clutch pedal for your left foot ive got one of those for you- im about to corner the aftermarket with these

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1225491288

At 2640lbs / 270hp it would have pretty much exactly the same hp:weight ratio as the 370z.

I'm not surprised Mazda would actually go through with it.... by the time the economic poop hit the fan, they were probably so far along the development cycle that it made more sense just to keep going, even with lowered sales expectations.

Having said that though, if there's no traditional manual version, I ain't buyin one.

I can't imagine why they would do that, the last "upmarket" rotary, the JC Cosmo was pretty much a failure.

+1 I can't wait until the pre-production designs start to come out. This'll be good! :cool:
A manual trans would be much cheaper to make than a dual clutch tranny. Makes no sense why they couldn't offer both??? The dual clutch trans will easily add at least 2-3K to the price.

I am super excited about these rumors. We haven't had a lot of RX news in a while. Please Mazda, we want!!

cool sig

Thanks, till you start getting the mileage I have been getting lately. Its been getting bad, even for an RX8 :icon_no2:

If the rumor started off with the trans. It could be just a tranmission developed for the RX-8 and MX-5. Specially for the RX-8 to handle higher revs and to put all the power produced by the renesis down.
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Autoblog is reporting tranny options of a standard manual and dual clutch gearbox... and they claim their source is IL.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/12/r...-rx-8-to-be-c/

yeah highly doubt standard manual transmission is gonna get completely eliminated, why would any sane company get rid of a proven, cheap (relatively) transmission design that people actually WANT?

That's good to hear. I was privy to the ADD-A-PEDAL but stopping short, that kickstand would likely come loose.

270+hp and 2.7K weight? I guess with all options its probably around 2.9K.

I buy it, period.

Theres more credibility to this RX7 / RX9 story , than the one of you guys getting yourselfs and the rest of the world out of this financial mess in a short period of time :spank: :lol::lol:


Cheers
Michael

thanks for the link, corssing my fingers and knocking on wood.

good news well see if mazda come through.

I hope mazda prices it more than 2.9k.... they'll go out of business pretty quick with a business plan like that.

http://www.bestmotoring.cn/attachmen...2_3808fb83.jpg

thats the pic on the Jap magazine...

That guy in Germany or wherever who's put a renesis into a Miata (the Miata is dark green with yellow stripes running down the middle of the car). Can someone find out what kind of MPG he's getting?

Don't worry, Canzoomer, RP, and Scott will get us there.

NYCGPS is talking about weight, not price.

Hopefully we get a real weight decrease, unlike the 370z. BTW, the 370z actually weighs about 50 lbs more than the last 350z. All the hype in the media about weight reduction actually pertained to a portion or portions of the car in which they trimmed a couple hundred lbs. However, the WHOLE car actually weighs a little bit more! Talk about deceptive marketing and advertising.

You mean on the Japanese magazine, right?