^ 95% of the people on this site or others wouldn't be able to get within 3 seconds of these lap times, so "big difference" is relative.

Ok... what the hell is your point?

Obviously reading comprehension wasn't a great subject with you eh? I'll try again...with 95% of drivers it isn't a big difference...capice?

Lets try this again... What the hell does the fact that most people on this forum won't be able to get around a track as fast as the professional driver have to do with the fact that 3 seconds is a huge difference on one lap of a track? My reading comprehension only sucks when people forget silly little things like logic, reason, and following a topic. By the way, thanks for pointing out the startling revelations that things are relative (:Eyecrazy: ) and and that most people here aren't as fast as professional drivers. Have you ever considered becoming a philosopher?

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you suck at starting threads.

mugato = smart

It’s funny you would say that, considering that the only merit in your post is revealing that 3 seconds is greater than 2 seconds. Wow, thanks. I got an opening for a statistician, you interested? I guess I should have assumed you made that comment for the multitudes of professional drivers on here.

Again, for people like you who think and talk in absolutes, it’s worth noting that 3 seconds wouldn’t mean squat to 95% of drivers on a large and technically challenging track like Laguna. If it was autox – sure it’s a big diff. But it isn't a "big difference" for your everyday schmoe who buys hese cars, unless you're a bench racer of course.

You don’t have to get all bumhurt Ike that a MS3 or a Mini was about 3 seconds off your mighty Evo.

Yeah, I'm getting "bumhurt" about the Evo finishing 4th behind some very expensive and impresive cars, while it's clear that you're not bothered at all about the RX-8 not even being invited to the party. :rolleyes: I don't give a shit what track we're talking about in the US under 2 miles and what driver skill we're talking about, 3 seconds is a big difference. Find me one person here that has actually driven on a track to agree with you.

I pwn professional drivers.

Motor Trend.

The initials are MT.

The magazine is empty.

Motor Trend is pretty much an advertising rag.

Ok, now what's your point, and how does it relate to the RX-8 not being in the comparo? Find me one major mag out there that isn't driven by advertising. Obviously you haven't seen the article, I've never been a big fan of MT but this comparo was pretty well done.

I actually agreed with their judgement. While the RX-8 handles well, it's certainly not the razor edge that the S2000 is, which is a better setup for a racetrack shootout like what MT had. Sure the RX-8 won the comparo against the S2000 awhile back, but that was a full scale comparo and this is just a handling test. The RX-8 might be forgiving, but the S2000 is the superior racetrack car and deserved to be in the test over the RX-8.

They should both be in. Take out one of the others that is clearly worse handling than both.

Ok man, you win. 3 seconds at Laguna is "big"...huge even. Having a car that laps Laguna 2.565321 seconds faster means that any noob can pwn all.

There, I feel better. I'll just start giving in to your greatness from now on.

^ actually...can't resist...

Your average driver, or even an advanced driver with some semblance of handling dynamics, will likely be 8 to 12 seconds off the time their car is capable of at a track like Laguna - which only goes to prove that the best modification is usually a drivers own skill. Even once said driver can pull consistent times, they'll usually get stuck at a time they can't advance from since they aren't even aware of the errors they are making, unless they get lots of professional instruction and significant seat time.

Buying something that's 3 seconds a lap faster doesn't mean that their times will reduce by those same 3 seconds. Their time may reduce by a fraction of those 3 seconds, or even go the other way, but that's all contingent of the accessibility of that cars performance. I see it all the time in the bike world, guys buying faster 1000cc sportbikes only to see worse laptimes then their previous 600cc bikes.

so they left out an 8, they also left out a Radical, a Westfield, and an Ariel Atom just to name a few, any of which would completely annihilate anything in their comparo with ease, if you really wanted a best handling comparo, where's the elise? where's the caterham? Panoz? what, no Ultima GTR? pffffft, they left out ALOT more than just the 8, so who gives a shit if the s2k and evo made the cut or whatever, the whole thing seems pointless anyway. (as pointless as arguing about it)

ditto :Eyecrazy: