Saturn,

We agree completely then. I agree that the amount that the front is "lifted up" would be negligible for the amount of gain you get from the downforce. But so many of these people I talk to about the issue don't have that understanding. I would be happy if they would just admit it is for looks (I have no problem with that at all), but they claim it is for downforce, aerodynamics, etc, neglecting the fact that for a wing to achieve any of those purposes, you must be traveling at a decent speed (in excess of most freeway speeds) which is why they function great on the track. At any rate, I couldn't care less what R&T has to say about the 8. It is serving the exact purpose I bought it for. I think a big difference is that this is the first rotary for many owners and they don't understand the engines upsides and downsides. Oh and by the way Saturn, nice to see someone who can use the word cromulence in a sentence.

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Corvus13

 

Ike,

Super that Evos are great time attack cars. Did you not read my post earlier that I thought they were great at what they were designed to do? My point is lost on you. You refuse to accept that some people don't like the Evo just like some people don't like the RX. Me personally, I think they are perfectly engineered to do what they were designed to do. Although I do find it ironic that Mitsubishi cruises the Evo boards trying to void warranties when they catch threads about people using the car as it was intended to be used.

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Corvus13

 

Let me rephrase, Mazda should never have allowed the quality issues to get as bad as they did. It seems that some damage control could have been done to prevent such disasters as the whole mulligan thing etc...

 

WORD!

 

I'm really not taking any sides here, but there's already been more than a few occasions of that happening on this very site. Ask abbid for details if your a doubter. I've even heard the far-and-wide tales of Mazda going out to tracks and taking pictures of people racing their cars so that when they come if for any warranty work, they bust out the pictures.

It's not only Mitsubishi or Mazda that does it though, i'd heard of MANY makes pulling shotty crap like that.

In reply to almost the rest of this thread, I never meant for it to say others were less worthy to be on the list than an 8. It's not like a deity or something...it was just a letter I thought might get an answer. You all are really hacking limbs off left-and-right over this. All cars are not created equal, but instead tend to all have their own pros and cons. R&T should no more be a judge of that than you and I in our own personal opinions. The only difference is they have the paper to print it on...and with have a forum to post it on.

 

I agree with you Staveacre, and I know that it has happened to many Mazda owners. I wasn't trying to slam on the Evo owners. I admire that car for what it is. I was merely commenting on the irony of a company marketing a car for a purpose and then penalizing the owners for using it as intended.

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Corvus13

 

that's just great........ I have the bastard child and my neighbor has the WILD CHILD!

Hey, great marketing idea. You buy either.

 

You said they were great at going fast. I took that as you making them out to be a drag car like so many others on this site have tried to do.

I've said it on here many times, you just haven't been around to see it. The Evo is not for everyone and it's a pretty raw car with very few creature comforts. I've never made it out to be anything but what it is. The wing however is funtional and has rally roots behind the design.

The whole Mitsubishi voiding warranties thing has been so blown out of proportion. There was one famous case, and it wasn't even from Mitsubishi cruising the boards, it was because the guy got caught racing his car in the SCCA.

My dealer installed my turboback exhaust, they sell Buschur racing power packages with full factory warranty, and they sponsor trackdays for their customers. Don't believe everything you've heard on the internet.

 

So since you're telling me that statement over the Internet I shouldn't believe it? In which case I should believe it which of course means I shouldn't believe it. Wait, what were we talking about again?

 

Maybe

 

Al Gore invented the Internet

 

my house is only 2 turns off the information super highway.

 

This thread has transformed into a caldasac on the information super highway....

....it gives you somewhere to go, but doesn't really get you anywhere.

 

hhmmm . . .

kind of like how R&T gives you something to do, but doesn't do anything for you.

 

IMO, years and decades ago, R&T was the ultimate car mag, above the rest, their words and reviews were THE coveted word on sports cars. Today, perhaps as the staff as turned over, and more staff came that just 'got a job' (perhaps because journalism majors, not true sports car enthusiasts apply?) much has changed. Seems a lot of the copy has degenerated into 'testing'/marketing pieces for SUVs and trucks, and expensive toys/exotics rather than sports car and sports-like cars. Favoring popular market opinion /high roller toys does draw readership in and increases ad revenue, which helps the bottom line, if not the mags content value.

 

Still beats Car & Driver's "We tested 8 sedans, compared them all to the gold standard of the Camry, and then picked the Accord again. But next year we'll still compare them all to a Camry."

 

Or Motortrend's: We tested 2 wagons, 3 sedans, 4 SUV's and a porsche 911 to see which is the best car. We hate the trunk space in the Porsche, think the SUV's have crappy gas mileage and think everyone should get a station wagon.

 

The winner of two US Time Attack events in 2006, including one victory in the Super Street Time Attack by 4 seconds over the rest of the field was neither AWD nor an Evo. It was... drumroll please... a Nissan Silvia S-15 from Hankook Tire and JIC, driven by Formula D driver Tyler McQuarrie. Another Time Attack winner in 2006 here in the US, in the race tire class was... wait for it... a 240 horsepower, 11,000 rpm redline Toyota Corolla GT-S coupe driven by Ken Gushi.

Evos may be the best in the world, but they're getting their asses waxed here in the US. BTW, an Evo stood a chance at winning the American Touge 2 event, if it hadn't blown a cylinder. Stellar reliability there, sport!

 

That's just plain silly hilarious PhotoMunkey Corolla haa hahhh ... suck it up for the Toyota!

 

http://www.jtuned.com/content/templa...d=496&zoneid=1

240 horsepower, 1.6 liters naturally-aspirated, no nitrous, no turbo, no supercharger. 1800 lbs and running on 15" Toyo RA-1s.

The engine alone cost more than an entire Evo. An Evo is a waste of sheetmetal compared to this.

BTW2- The Evo that blew up at American Touge 2 WAS the fastest 400 hp 3-cylinder at the event. That must count for something.