RK

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http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/16/m...-expand-range/

JRichter

Gotta love it. My prediction: There will be no new RX-7. We will probably see the RX-8 as we know it die and a new car that would possibly be more RX-7-like will debut around 2011-2012 and most likely be called RX-9 as it would be different enough from the 8 to justify getting the next number up in the long line of Mazda RX- cars. This car would be lower, faster, wider and lighter then the 8 and probably be powered by some version of the 16x.

zoom44

way to go out on a limb there J

alnielsen

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Yea, I would say that would be a safe bet.

SlideWayz

I dub thee Captain Obvious.

CyberPitz

Pfft, I bet the new RX will be powered by a 4 banger!

Ok, I jest, I just can't wait for the 16x.

RXLogic

Oh, I don't know -- I'd take "RX-7" at even money

Mikeluvs8

i hope it comes with boost!

Icemark

Hmm, from talking to Koby at Sevenstock this year before the dinner, he pointed the opposite direction for a new RX-7. Suggesting the direction of a lighter smaller car that was both available as a coupe and a vert again was the thought and direction at Mazda.

2600-2800 lbs, smaller than the RX-8 with the 300 hp 16X and a coupe and vert body style. Stretched ND MX-5 with a rotary.

And not dropping the RX-8.

RK

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I imagine they're considering both but since this is an all new engine I'd still put money on the RX-9 and I'd also be willing to bet that they have multiple variants of it released over its life that will include a MS turbo variant, a 4-door sports coupe variant, etc. They've invested a relative shitload in this engine to become a rotary that can compete against V6s in efficiency and power while beating it in weight so if they're smart they'll put it in every bodytype that has market appeal. And having 4-doors on our 8s does have appeal just as having a lighter, 2-door has appeal.

And everyone wants a turbo.

Icemark

Nope... not everyone. In fact not even most people.

I'd rather have a motor that can last 100K miles than a Turbo motor that is wasted by 60K miles like the old lame 13BREW even if I had to give up 50HP.

Most buyers of the RX-8 and MX-5 in current form, think that they have more than enough power according the JDpower and other consumer polling... its more just the few members here that think that they need a Turbo.

I doubt Mazda will waste money on a production Turbo Rotary ever again.

arghx7

it seems that if Mazda could control costs, they could in fact keep a 4 door rotary as well as a coupe and convertible rotary car. They just have to be careful how much they produce of each, or they will flood dealers with unsold inventory and the car will depreciate really quickly--especially if there are more premature engine failures for whatever reason.

the problem is that the 13B-MSP was overrated from the factory, and even the revised power output rating is... generous.

RK

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Last I checked our N/A 13B's aren't exactly lasting 100k. They weren't even lasting 30k. That's why there's now a mazda operated rotary rebuild factory and a 100k warranty. I feel blessed that mine has made it to 40k.

A factory turbo IS warrantied. It'll also be low boost to balance the risk of blowing seals with the additional power.

You've got to be kidding. It's incredibly rare on this forum to find someone who is satisfied with 232 HP. Considering people returned their cars when the promised 250HP didn't materialize and that every single car review I've ever read on the RX-8 noted that it just doesn't have enough power. Considering the number of people who pay thousands of dollars in the vain hope of getting another 10 hp with an exhaust an an intake...

That's not to say people don't love this car - they do - but it's silly to ignore the elephant in the room and say everyone's content with the HP we have. People love this car in spite of the lack of power.

CERAMICSEAL

I'm glad you didn't mention which Koby, lest you get someone in trouble . I agree with everything you said and I have word from others from Mazda Japan (As I've been mentioning for the past year). My bet goes with both an RX7 and RX8 being introduced although not necessarily at the same time. Light weight is definitely going to be a major priority as well as low emissions amongst other things.

Seal.

Renesis_8

Would love to see Mazda offer two rotary products.
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nycgps

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the problem wasn't turbo, it was 13B-REW's design.

delhi

there will not be a turbo in a rotary engine in the future. Get over it. 16x and this new fandangled hydrogen powered is more than likely. Mazda was burnt heavily with the FD's turbo woes (some of it due to over-boosting by owners).

opus_opus

+1001

We need the next rotary car to be powered by the three rotor engine found in the Furai.

vX-2

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+1

I would love if Mazda can come out with their next R3 package that really means 3-Rotor (3-13MSP), with 350-400 WHP/BHP @ N/a (with 18-22MPG).... while other packages can retain 2-rotor 16x with at least 280-320 bhp @ N/a (with 22-25MPG).... Then the rotary can really get some real attention compare with 350z/G35/GT-R...

And I will never say enough for more BHP either..

SayNoToPistons

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Welcome back to the early 90's.

j_tso

I assumed he meant Takaharu "Koby" Kobayakawa, who was heavily involved in creating the RX-7 (all gens) and Miata.

RXLogic

If the ND weighs in at 2200 lbs, a two-seat rotary should be under 2400 lbs.

Icemark

actually very few have had their motors replaced.

According to polls here only around 15% of the members here have. Mazda would not have extended the warranty to 100K miles if they didn't think that the vast majority would make it that far, so you worrying about making it too only 40K miles is just silly.

But you wouldn't see a 100K miles warranty on it. The FD warranty was only 36 months/50K miles.
This board is hardly indicative of what the vast number of owners want or have. Even if every member here owned a RX-8 it would only be about the first years production worth of cars (and of course we know that probably less than half the members here actually own a RX-8).

If the car's biggest issue was lack of power, If everyone that owned one, thought the car needed more power... don't you think that Mazda would have added more power within the first 5 years of production?

Hell, would they have even sold AT versions after the first year, with the considerably less power it has? Would anyone even buy one if 212 HP was not enough??? Every single owner would have wanted the 20 more HP of the manual.

Just because you want more power, doesn't mean every one does. If you can't see that, then you probably don't understand Mazda or the RX-8.

Icemark

Yep, there was a half dozen of us at the table when we talked to him about that (as well as Japan's new PM and the election process there).