I wouldn't even expect a new car for 5 yrs. The US would be required to account for at least half of the sales of any new model. With the economy the way it is and how extremely weak the US dollar is right now. The numbers aren't going to add up.

 

More rumors

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11011042...details-emerge

 

December issue of 'Modified' has a picture on page 22 called 'Shinari' four-door!

 

Ah yes...the rumor mill is working hard these days.

 

Shinari is a concept car that was first shown months ago... Pretty sure they specifically said that it's not a rotary under the hood. At best, it's indication of mazda's future styling.

 

I say come out with something sooner than later with a plan to break even. Enough with the perfect engine/layout. It's never going to be perfect and they are not going to compete with the likes of Nissan no matter what they do. Thing is, it's part of their heritage. You can't just let something like that go away.

 

"Breaking even" is hard to do in today's ecconomy, let alone making a profit. If the engine can't meet US government mileage and emissions standards, there's no way they'll produce it for the rest of the world. Al is right. If it doesn't fly here, it doesn't fly anywhere.

 

Rotary Engine was never a cash-cow for Mazda. in fact it almost killed Mazda in the 70s-80s

European Union have much tighter emission controls. So like the others have said, Mazda gotta focus on making the next Rotary Engine "MUCH MUCH" better than it is now. The engine has to be able to face the next 10-15 yrs of "gayer and tighter" control or else its just gonna be an epic fail.

They already increased the power(dunno how much) and MPG(by 30%), now its just down to emission. Side exhaust port is not new (they tried it like 20-30 yrs ago but failed cuz back then computers & metallurgy are not as good as today)

Mazda will not give Rotary engine up, its like a brand image thing for Mazda. I heard from a friend that has close relations to some guys working with Mazda Japan said that the R&D funds they put into S2 RX-8 is about the same as the R&D fund for the original RX-8. and thats a lot of $$$$$. Notice all the changes they made to the S2. Just think of the S2 is the test bed for the next Rotary car. the most expensive part is the E-MOP system believe it or not. if they're going to give it up, they will not bother to spend that kind of money (nobody hates money ya know)

They should have something to show us "again" in 2 years.

 

It almost killed Mazda, but it's what made Mazda in the first place (at least in the USA), by giving people a reason to buy what were otherwise pretty unremarkable cars. There are several similar examples of "breakins" to a market, Subaru and Audi with AWD, for example. When one goes shopping for an AWD car, they are the first manufacturers that come to mind. The difference with Mazda now though is that the rotary is dimly remembered by the general motoring public. If anything, Mazda is associated with "zoom-zoom" which is pretty undefinable. For a rather small company, they need a blockbuster to re-establish themselves. I think that will be the diesel. If they can become the Japanese "VW TDI", it will do more for them than any rotary is likely to do. Where the rotary might fit (assuming the diesel pulls them into a "the Japanese VW" status) would be to help make them "the Japanese Audi".

EU emission standards are not (that I know of), tighter per se (particularly for diesels), but are different. Additionally, the taxing of carbon emissions adds another barrier that is not codified as an emission standard, but becomes a big problem. The car makers have to meet or come close to meeting the sum total of the world's standards simultaneously, which is a much more difficult proposition than meeting the requirements of any one market alone.

 

small diesel pickup like the old ford courier--may be coming?
OD

 

Coming from where? What you talking about Willis?

Paul.

 

FTA:

"Power will be provided by a new rotary engine, which is expected to use an electric supercharger, with upwards of 300 hp (224 kW / 304 PS). "

Electric supercharger?
Didn't MM already trademark that on E-Bay?
This line seriously detracts from my faith in their version of rumour....

 

+1

Perfect is subjective in this matter and its constantly a moving target. All the other car makers seem to be striving for perfection through experience. When Nissan pushed the 350Z into production, it had quite a few bugs in it. But every couple years Nissan changed this or added that until it was as good as it was going to get, then they took what they learned and applied it to the 370Z. When Ford released the modular SOHC 4.6, it wasn't a very efficient engine. But Ford kept making changes to it and within 10 years it was making almost 100 bhp more than when it came out. Mazda seems to be stuck at the drawing board trying to achieve perfection in theory. Get something into production and improve on it as you go. Hyundai is doing it right now with the Genesis Coupe. Its not perfect by any means but they're trying and learning from it and I already hear its getting a small update for 2011.

 

If i told you I would have to hurt ya! hehe. Not in 2011, but by 2012--2013 maybe.
OD

 

I'm guessing you're replying to me (I'll have to teach you how to use these quotes dear friend ).

Are you talking about Mazda bringing a truck here or Mahindra bringing their small diesel truck?

Paul.

 

+2

2500 lbs with 300hp

Where's my cheque book?

 

heres a new link this one seems most legit http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-mazda-rx7.htm

 

Exciting stuff. I'll have to stay tuned on how this car really turns out to be.

Adding turbo-charged power would truly be fantastic!

 

^ Very old news. "Updated by Don Sikora II 01.07.2010"

 

Whoopsy doozy!

Silly me, looks like I'm still a bit new to the mix haha.

 

The waiting will be painful....and if a new kick *** rotary car ever makes it, I will still wait until at least the 2nd production year. I learned my lesson the hard way with my '04 never to buy a first model year of a car again. Maybe with the 16x, they can address the carbon buildup issues that have caused all kinds of people problems with their 8s once they get towards 100k.

 

this is by far the most agreeable look ive ever seen

 

Haha! "201X" year.

 

^ yeah, that could be anywhere from 2011 to 2019, lol.

 

If any country went to natural gas and provide an infrastructure for Natural GAS...
The rotary would be alive as it is the most efficient engine using that fuel.