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From: Delaware, USA
Originally Posted by missinmahseven
So, as I see it, there are 3 options to your story:
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Originally Posted by missinmahseven
Because your little Elantra story smells like yesterday's fish. You're describing the behavior of an 80's econobox, and the 8 isn't like that. How do I know this? I used to drive an '84 Rx-7 with 140 ponies. That car would rip up the Appalachians like there was no tomorrow, passing winnebagos, cadillacs, benzes, whatever. And that was 140 ponies. Hell, even my miata, with it's truly pathetic claimed 128 horses didn't behave like that.
So, as I see it, there are 3 options to your story:
1. You're not getting all the power you should. Have your car checked out, pull a compression test.
2. Even tho you claim you 'downshifted' you were STILL in too high a gear. What were your speed and RPM when you attempted to pass? You just can't drive this like a V-8, man. If you're at 2500 rpm and try to pass it ain't gonna happen quickly. If you're at 4000+ you're gonna fly. Up hill, down hill, flat level, don't matter. She just doesn't behave like you're describing.
3. You're lying.
So which one is it?
So, as I see it, there are 3 options to your story:
1. You're not getting all the power you should. Have your car checked out, pull a compression test.
2. Even tho you claim you 'downshifted' you were STILL in too high a gear. What were your speed and RPM when you attempted to pass? You just can't drive this like a V-8, man. If you're at 2500 rpm and try to pass it ain't gonna happen quickly. If you're at 4000+ you're gonna fly. Up hill, down hill, flat level, don't matter. She just doesn't behave like you're describing.
3. You're lying.
So which one is it?
Option #3 doesn't deserve a response.
In regards to the 8 flying uphills? That stupid remark from you just proves you should just keep your opinions to yourself. And I wouldn't brag about passing winnebegos and 84 Cadillacs.
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Talan, you get the Broken Record Award for Most Whiny Poster Regarding Power.
I still say you're yanking our tails. I don't think you have an 8. Your experiences don't match mine, nor they match those of many members here, whose cars seem to perform as the designers intended.
As I said in my prior post, I've had two lo-hp, lo-torque cars that were marvellous in hilly terrain. You had to absolultey flog the living snot of of 'em, but they responded very well, and passed traffic quite nicely. That your 8 isn't doing that just smells funny. The 8 has damnear twice the power.
So, if you're so unhappy with it, sell it, and get an SVT Cobra or something. You'll be happier with all that torrrrque, and we'll be happier not having to read your constant whining about the subject.
I still say you're yanking our tails. I don't think you have an 8. Your experiences don't match mine, nor they match those of many members here, whose cars seem to perform as the designers intended.
As I said in my prior post, I've had two lo-hp, lo-torque cars that were marvellous in hilly terrain. You had to absolultey flog the living snot of of 'em, but they responded very well, and passed traffic quite nicely. That your 8 isn't doing that just smells funny. The 8 has damnear twice the power.
So, if you're so unhappy with it, sell it, and get an SVT Cobra or something. You'll be happier with all that torrrrque, and we'll be happier not having to read your constant whining about the subject.
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From: North Carolina
Originally Posted by TALAN7
Answering #2; I was going over 65 mph in 5th and I downshifted to 4th.
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Originally Posted by TALAN7
The only option you gave that made any sense was #1, and my car is runing fine! Answering #2; I was going over 65 mph in 5th and I downshifted to 4th. I don't know what the Hyudai had in it but I was trying to pass it on the right and noticed it still on my left keeping up with me. 65 in 4th is in the upper part of the powerband. The 8 just doesn't have much torque, which helps in getting up hills. I never said the car was slow and I only gave my subjective opinion.
Option #3 doesn't deserve a response.
In regards to the 8 flying uphills? That stupid remark from you just proves you should just keep your opinions to yourself. And I wouldn't brag about passing winnebegos and 84 Cadillacs.
Option #3 doesn't deserve a response.
In regards to the 8 flying uphills? That stupid remark from you just proves you should just keep your opinions to yourself. And I wouldn't brag about passing winnebegos and 84 Cadillacs.
There are very few cars where you can make such a driving mistake(or be that bad of a driver) and still manage to "pull" as you pass.
A viper maybe? Vette? Honestly, even my friends 430 spyder doesn't really "pull" in the wrong gear.
Maybe you should get a mustang or one of the ridiculous Daimler-Chrysler offerings.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by TALAN7
I was going over 65 mph in 5th and I downshifted to 4th. I don't know what the Hyudai had in it but I was trying to pass it on the right and noticed it still on my left keeping up with me. 65 in 4th is in the upper part of the powerband. The 8 just doesn't have much torque, which helps in getting up hills. I never said the car was slow and I only gave my subjective opinion.
I think the real problem is that MOST people are so use to driving crappy cars (American cars from the last two decades), that when something as different as an RX-8 comes along, no matter how good, it's instantly discounted by the ignorant.
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Originally Posted by millyard
Does any one know how much the rotary weighs compared to the F22C? Displacment doesnt mean anything in this comparison.
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I suck at driving manual, I have an AT 8, but when I drove the MT 8 it seemed great if you shift properly. I think this was definetly driver error. The one thing I did notice about the MT 8 is that the clutch goes pretty far down and is pretty stiff which is great but takes getting used to. It definetly takes more clutch work than a honda civic, the window of error is alot smaller in the case of the MT 8. I'm seriously thinking of trading in my AT for a MT, once I get better at shifting through a couple more test drives. Anyone here use any special techniques for shifting? I'm interested cause I suck at driving MT, I wish my shifting was alot smoother.
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From: Massachusetts, USA
Originally Posted by Three37ny
Simply amazing. Reading many of the posts here, I now realize there must be two different RX-8's…
The RX-8 in this thread
• disappointing fuel economy
• weak torque
• prone to flooding
• excessive oil consumption
• conceptually brilliant but, alas, ultimately inferior engine design
The RX-8 tested by auto journalists around the world
• "Here's one of those sports cars whose charm is all out of proportion to its numbers." (C&D)
{snip}
The RX-8 in this thread
• disappointing fuel economy
• weak torque
• prone to flooding
• excessive oil consumption
• conceptually brilliant but, alas, ultimately inferior engine design
The RX-8 tested by auto journalists around the world
• "Here's one of those sports cars whose charm is all out of proportion to its numbers." (C&D)
{snip}
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From: Massachusetts, USA
Originally Posted by TALAN7
I was going over 65 mph in 5th and I downshifted to 4th (1). I don't know what the Hyudai had in it but I was trying to pass it on the right and noticed it still on my left keeping up with me (2). 65 in 4th is in the upper part of the powerband (3). The 8 just doesn't have much torque, which helps in getting up hills (4).
- Sell your 8 to someone that knows how to drive it.
- Don't pass on the right.
- See 1.
- Whether you're going uphill or not, what matters for acceleration is your wheel torque. For any given speed, you get more wheel torque if you make more power, regardless of your engine torque.
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From: DFW, TX
Originally Posted by Rich Rx-8
I suck at driving manual, I have an AT 8, but when I drove the MT 8 it seemed great if you shift properly. I think this was definetly driver error. The one thing I did notice about the MT 8 is that the clutch goes pretty far down and is pretty stiff which is great but takes getting used to. It definetly takes more clutch work than a honda civic, the window of error is alot smaller in the case of the MT 8. I'm seriously thinking of trading in my AT for a MT, once I get better at shifting through a couple more test drives. Anyone here use any special techniques for shifting? I'm interested cause I suck at driving MT, I wish my shifting was alot smoother.
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Yeah, I felt real cool when I was rocking back and forth coming out of 1st gear!! I JUST TURNED UP THE RADIO AND PRETENDED I WAS ROCKING TO THE BEAT OF THE MUSIC!! Just kidding I suck but I'm gonna trade in for a MT 8 or MT Mazdaspeed 3. Do you balance the clutch in every gear? I always thought you don't want to ride the clutch unless you're coming from 1st gear. My dealer said that I should shift my weight evenly with every shift from clutch to gas? I can't shift that fast doing it that way.
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You want to avoid riding the clutch as much as possible, yes.
What do you mean 'my weight'? When you need to change gear...depress the clutch all the way in, shift into the next gear, let out the clutch smoothly and once you're about half way out, put some pressure on the gas, and then let out the clutch completely. It's not easy to put into words...you can probably google instructions that are more verbose, but you're not going to learn much from words. If you're gonna have another test drive, there is no way you won't see an improvement.
What do you mean 'my weight'? When you need to change gear...depress the clutch all the way in, shift into the next gear, let out the clutch smoothly and once you're about half way out, put some pressure on the gas, and then let out the clutch completely. It's not easy to put into words...you can probably google instructions that are more verbose, but you're not going to learn much from words. If you're gonna have another test drive, there is no way you won't see an improvement.
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Originally Posted by Raptor2k
You don't want to avoid riding the clutch as much as possible, yes.
Just to clarify, I'm assuming you meant "yes, it is bad to ride the clutch"
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From: DFW, TX
Originally Posted by marvin_rock
I'm trying to kick the habit, but my last car had such a stiff clutch, it would literally throw you off the damn pedal. Am I screwing up my Tranny by doing this?
Firstly, I'm no expert, and a search would get you a lot more info.
Clutches vary between cars. Any use of the clutch is going to put wear on it, but using the clutch inappropriately will probably reduce tranny life.
You're saying you have the clutch about 2 inches depressed when coming out of a shift; I'm pretty sure that can be reduced. You obviously don't want to let the clutch completely out when you get on the gas, because of the RPM bounce.
BTW - let's try to keep the thread on topic
