Will the automatic RX-8 ever see 250HP?
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Will the automatic RX-8 ever see 250HP?
Im wondering if the 2005 version of the RX8 with an automatic tranny might see 250 HP and maybe a more efficient CVT-like tranny to distribute power better then a traditional slush-box. I would be sad to see a Neon SRT kill a RX8 at a stoplight drag.
note: I know if one wants real performance they should stay with a manual but one cant deny the market for more powerful engines and better automatic trannies to really help sell the RX8 in high numbers and make it profitable for Mazda to make it.
note: I know if one wants real performance they should stay with a manual but one cant deny the market for more powerful engines and better automatic trannies to really help sell the RX8 in high numbers and make it profitable for Mazda to make it.
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If one wants real performance they should pay attention to numbers other than the straight line ones... *sigh*
I think that if you want a drag racer, or a car that can win on a strip... then you are lookin at the wrong car. And that's echoed in a lot of posts on this forum.
Take a search first and see what this car is about, then decide if it's for you.
I think that if you want a drag racer, or a car that can win on a strip... then you are lookin at the wrong car. And that's echoed in a lot of posts on this forum.
Take a search first and see what this car is about, then decide if it's for you.
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Hey guys thanks for pointing out the obvious. I know that the RX8 is a well rounded great handling sportcars and it isnt a 1/4 mile dragracing musclecar.
Does anyone if its Mazda automatic tranny design is the reason that forces them to cut the HP down on the engine and is there any hope they might increase the HP in the future?
Does anyone if its Mazda automatic tranny design is the reason that forces them to cut the HP down on the engine and is there any hope they might increase the HP in the future?
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Originally posted by johnsocal
Hey guys thanks for pointing out the obvious. I know that the RX8 is a well rounded great handling sportcars and it isnt a 1/4 dragracing musclecar.
Does anyone if its Mazda automatic tranny design is the reason that forces them to cut the HP down on the engine and is there any hope they might increase the HP in the future?
Hey guys thanks for pointing out the obvious. I know that the RX8 is a well rounded great handling sportcars and it isnt a 1/4 dragracing musclecar.
Does anyone if its Mazda automatic tranny design is the reason that forces them to cut the HP down on the engine and is there any hope they might increase the HP in the future?
SMG type of a transmission would also work for the RX-8 but then you're talking about even more money than the manual costs... and the idea with this car is to keep it reasonably affordable.
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I recently read a Japanese magazine, which stated the automatic version of the RX8 actually has better torque response than the manual tranny version. According to the article, more restrictive intake manifold improves torque, which is essential for the automatic transmission. I am not sure if Renesis has variable air intake system, but their explaination seems to make sense. I seriously doubt Mazda decreased power on the automatic model because they couldn't build a tranny strong enough to take the added power.
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
...I seriously doubt Mazda decreased power on the automatic model because they couldn't build a tranny strong enough to take the added power.
...I seriously doubt Mazda decreased power on the automatic model because they couldn't build a tranny strong enough to take the added power.
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Maybe...
I can't say for certain but I had heard from a very good source that there will ultimately be a "sequential 6-speed transmission available that will handle the RPMs of the Renisis engine. My guess would be to loook for it in the Mazdaspeed veriosn which is probably 24 months or more out into the futureafter deliveries of cars start here. The earliest then would probably be July, 2005.
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I seriously doubt Mazda decreased power on the automatic model because they couldn't build a tranny strong enough to take the added power.
I seriously doubt Mazda decreased power on the automatic model because they couldn't build a tranny strong enough to take the added power.
Further to Boowana's prediction - along with the 6 speed SMT for a 2006 model, I've already predicted that Mazda will have a 5 speed auto trans in the 2006 RX-8 (in a separate recent RX-8 auto thread, I bet Sputnik $20 on this ). If someone wants a better auto trans RX-8, they really should wait a year or two.
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hey I know some of you guys have seen the press kit! its not just the rev limiter its the intake ports are timed slightly different plus the auto doesn't have the aux 5 and 6 ports plus it doesn't have the aux intake track that opens at 7250 or around there.
I haven't looked at the press kit in like 4 or 5 months but im sure thats why the power is lower, the reason i know why they are not there is because of the auto but because of that you couldn't just replace the TC and get 250 hp you'd have to replace the entire drivetrain
I haven't looked at the press kit in like 4 or 5 months but im sure thats why the power is lower, the reason i know why they are not there is because of the auto but because of that you couldn't just replace the TC and get 250 hp you'd have to replace the entire drivetrain
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Originally posted by Skyline Maniac
According to the article, more restrictive intake manifold improves torque, which is essential for the automatic transmission.
According to the article, more restrictive intake manifold improves torque, which is essential for the automatic transmission.
Originally posted by rototlewski
aux 5 and 6 ports
aux 5 and 6 ports
btw: you're right, the lo-po motor has only 4 ports, and the intake system is entirely different (less paths).
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Originally posted by rototlewski
I haven't looked at the press kit in like 4 or 5 months but im sure thats why the power is lower, the reason i know why they are not there is because of the auto but because of that you couldn't just replace the TC and get 250 hp you'd have to replace the entire drivetrain
I haven't looked at the press kit in like 4 or 5 months but im sure thats why the power is lower, the reason i know why they are not there is because of the auto but because of that you couldn't just replace the TC and get 250 hp you'd have to replace the entire drivetrain
Your desire for extra power via the manual trans intake specs is incompatible with the capabilities of the auto trans. Just buy a manual trans car, fer cryin out loud!!!!
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you are all saying the tranny can't take more then210 .so why the rx7 from 93 to 2002 that had auto tranny had 255 to 265 hp .you tell me the answer to the question then i will beave it.
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you are all saying the tranny can't take more then210 .so why the rx7 from 93 to 2002 that had auto tranny had 255 to 265 hp .you tell me the answer to the question then i will beave it.
you are all saying the tranny can't take more then210 .so why the rx7 from 93 to 2002 that had auto tranny had 255 to 265 hp .you tell me the answer to the question then i will beave it.
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Originally posted by j-apex rx
you are all saying the tranny can't take more then210 .so why the rx7 from 93 to 2002 that had auto tranny had 255 to 265 hp .you tell me the answer to the question then i will beave it.
you are all saying the tranny can't take more then210 .so why the rx7 from 93 to 2002 that had auto tranny had 255 to 265 hp .you tell me the answer to the question then i will beave it.
it's not in the power, the power is a symptom of a rev-averse transmission, not the other way around. if the RENESIS had the sequential twin turbos from the 13BREW (thank god it doesn't) the tranny could probably handle the extra torque, and you could have 250 horses or whatever at 7000 rpm, and everything would be peachy.
if you want tons of power in the 4-port motor, if you're serious about it, look into FI as an option, as its a far better candidate for it than the hi-po 6 port.
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Originally posted by Hercules
Yes it is, because maximum horsepower comes at 8500 RPMs, a rate that torque converters find hard to adapt to and thus unless you want a really expensive car, will have to be detuned.
SMG type of a transmission would also work for the RX-8 but then you're talking about even more money than the manual costs... and the idea with this car is to keep it reasonably affordable.
Yes it is, because maximum horsepower comes at 8500 RPMs, a rate that torque converters find hard to adapt to and thus unless you want a really expensive car, will have to be detuned.
SMG type of a transmission would also work for the RX-8 but then you're talking about even more money than the manual costs... and the idea with this car is to keep it reasonably affordable.
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Originally posted by wakeech
read the thread again: the problem is RPM. because the tranny can't take much more than 7500 or 8000 or whatever the breaking-point is, they've detuned the engine to 210, which is why it's different from the hi-po motor.
it's not in the power, the power is a symptom of a rev-averse transmission, not the other way around. if the RENESIS had the sequential twin turbos from the 13BREW (thank god it doesn't) the tranny could probably handle the extra torque, and you could have 250 horses or whatever at 7000 rpm, and everything would be peachy.
if you want tons of power in the 4-port motor, if you're serious about it, look into FI as an option, as its a far better candidate for it than the hi-po 6 port.
read the thread again: the problem is RPM. because the tranny can't take much more than 7500 or 8000 or whatever the breaking-point is, they've detuned the engine to 210, which is why it's different from the hi-po motor.
it's not in the power, the power is a symptom of a rev-averse transmission, not the other way around. if the RENESIS had the sequential twin turbos from the 13BREW (thank god it doesn't) the tranny could probably handle the extra torque, and you could have 250 horses or whatever at 7000 rpm, and everything would be peachy.
if you want tons of power in the 4-port motor, if you're serious about it, look into FI as an option, as its a far better candidate for it than the hi-po 6 port.
Could mazda give auto tranny like 7K RPM but with 250 HP it would still be fast? It just seems as mazda didn't even care about auto tranny but just to make extra sales.
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goddamn wakeech.
your wealth of wisdom and knowledge never ceases to amaze me. i'm 18 and i dream of knowing as much about cars as you do. how old are you and how'd you get to know so much about cars??
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your wealth of wisdom and knowledge never ceases to amaze me. i'm 18 and i dream of knowing as much about cars as you do. how old are you and how'd you get to know so much about cars??
your #1 fan
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Originally posted by Haris
Don't acura NSX's auto tranny redlines at like 8K/8.5K RPM? I think mazda could have done this if they wanted to.
Don't acura NSX's auto tranny redlines at like 8K/8.5K RPM? I think mazda could have done this if they wanted to.
I think that might have something to do with it
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Originally posted by Haris
Don't acura NSX's auto tranny redlines at like 8K/8.5K RPM? I think mazda could have done this if they wanted to.
Could mazda give auto tranny like 7K RPM but with 250 HP it would still be fast? It just seems as mazda didn't even care about auto tranny but just to make extra sales.
Don't acura NSX's auto tranny redlines at like 8K/8.5K RPM? I think mazda could have done this if they wanted to.
Could mazda give auto tranny like 7K RPM but with 250 HP it would still be fast? It just seems as mazda didn't even care about auto tranny but just to make extra sales.
and secondly, i dont' think that Mazda doesn't care about the auto, but with this model they're targeting a different kind of buyer: someone who would buy an Accord V6, but wants somethign that can handle, and looks good enough to impress the ladies. it's not for the purist-enthusiast, it's for the sometimes arm-chair-fantasy-racer (hey, i am too: i don't think there's nothin' wrong with wishing you were Kimi) who'd just like to have a nice, refined, easy driving true sports car. it's a wankel motor too, but that's not the only selling point on this very well-rounded vehicle. my point is that the auto doesn't have to be the fastEST: it's not like 210hp is slower than any FWD sports coupe in that price range anyways (RSX-S, Celica GTS... to tired, can't think of other examples).... in fact, i think a 210ps 5speed would be bloody fast and would certainly be enough car for me, had i the choice to get anything.
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Originally posted by rotarypower
goddamn wakeech.
your wealth of wisdom and knowledge never ceases to amaze me. i'm 18 and i dream of knowing as much about cars as you do. how old are you and how'd you get to know so much about cars??
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goddamn wakeech.
your wealth of wisdom and knowledge never ceases to amaze me. i'm 18 and i dream of knowing as much about cars as you do. how old are you and how'd you get to know so much about cars??
your #1 fan
i'm 19, and i just kinda really got into cars with Gran Tursimo (believe it) and F1... that got me started, then i fell in love with the rotary... i've just got a thing for engines: they always seemed like magic (back in '99, i couldn't fathom how a car engine actually worked... i literally knew nothing about the mechanics) to me.
now i've learned, and i'm still constantly learning new things all the time... to really get the basics, start with motorsports: it's automotive performance distilled to its most raw elements... speed isn't complicated once you get down to it: it's just got to be lighter, stronger, and faster. the tricky bit is how to get it done.
...road cars on the other hand pose a far far greater challenge to the car designer (IMO) with all the countless comprimises and very subjective features of design (like "beauty" and whatnot).
the old tech forum i used to haunt (most stuff blew over my head at light-speed) was www.f1mech.com , which has sadly disappeared almost 1 year ago i believe... i've not checked back in probably 8 months, and only thought of it now that you asked (checking site now as i write this)... nope, still the same as always... *sigh*
anyhoo, yeah, thanks :o
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Originally posted by wakeech
...don't tell Sputnik, he'll yell at you for how wrong you are (about me knowing a lot) ...
...don't tell Sputnik, he'll yell at you for how wrong you are (about me knowing a lot) ...
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