Why do we have piss brand brakes on the 8?
11-14-2004, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by valpac
Another Zaino product? 
Just sent away for all their stuff, but not that, damn.
Just sent away for all their stuff, but not that, damn.
11-14-2004, 10:01 AM
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I couldn't attest to the quality of the leather seats, as I only have the touring package. But, rumour has it that these seats are made with real Italian leather, if that means anything. I don't know about the seat heaters, but seat coolers are probably heavy, rare, and expensive if they are to be driven by some sort of Peltier-effect cooling system or, even worse, liquid coolant.
Rust will appear on brake rotors simply because they are made of stuff like cast iron. It's simply not possible to prevent rust unless you live in an area with zero humidity and no rain. Perhaps if they were made of aluminum or carbon fiber you could prevent this. Brembos are no different. A friend of mine has 16" Brembo rotors on his E46 M3, and they turn vomit brown a few minutes after every car wash. The calipers and hub don't rust, as they are normally painted. The braking performance of the stock Mazda system is still comparable if not superior to those vehicles in which Brembos were installed at the factory.
The navigation software can probably be upgraded if you buy a new DVD from NavTech. I have the 7/03 version of the software, and it works just fine. What other features would you be looking for in order for it to be not so "crappy"?
The Bose audio system in the car is only the amplifier and speakers - the head unit is still a factory Mazda stereo (FMS - Ford/Mazda/Sanyo) and yes, it's a tad shabby. Perhaps if you put in a different head unit then the whole package might sound a lot better.
Sunroof: ??? What's wrong with the sunroof? The inner lining can be closed when the sunroof is closed. At that point, the sunroof IS the cover.
The self-destructing buttons in the dash are covered under warranty:
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...cs/07-003.html
Canadian vehicles came with daytime running lights which turn on when the ignition key is on and hand brake is off.
Side mirrors on the Grand Touring model should be defog-capable, and turn on whenever you activate the rear window defroster.
Rust will appear on brake rotors simply because they are made of stuff like cast iron. It's simply not possible to prevent rust unless you live in an area with zero humidity and no rain. Perhaps if they were made of aluminum or carbon fiber you could prevent this. Brembos are no different. A friend of mine has 16" Brembo rotors on his E46 M3, and they turn vomit brown a few minutes after every car wash. The calipers and hub don't rust, as they are normally painted. The braking performance of the stock Mazda system is still comparable if not superior to those vehicles in which Brembos were installed at the factory.
The navigation software can probably be upgraded if you buy a new DVD from NavTech. I have the 7/03 version of the software, and it works just fine. What other features would you be looking for in order for it to be not so "crappy"?
The Bose audio system in the car is only the amplifier and speakers - the head unit is still a factory Mazda stereo (FMS - Ford/Mazda/Sanyo) and yes, it's a tad shabby. Perhaps if you put in a different head unit then the whole package might sound a lot better.
Sunroof: ??? What's wrong with the sunroof? The inner lining can be closed when the sunroof is closed. At that point, the sunroof IS the cover.
The self-destructing buttons in the dash are covered under warranty:
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...cs/07-003.html
Canadian vehicles came with daytime running lights which turn on when the ignition key is on and hand brake is off.
Side mirrors on the Grand Touring model should be defog-capable, and turn on whenever you activate the rear window defroster.
Originally Posted by Equis
Really what did they spend in manufacturing besides the engine, that they could not afford to give us all least with the "GT" model some decent brakes.
Seats: are moderate to cheap leather
Navigation: Basically crappy
Stereo: Basic
Sound System: Bose crappy but not surprising after the 300zx bose sucked also.
Sunroof: You can actually see where the inner lining lid is stappled, no cover!
Seats: A heat warmer that BAreeeeeeely heats up the seat, and no seat cooler!?
Buttons: Buttons that break if you use them.
NO Auto Day Time Running Running Light
NO Defog for mirrors
NO Memory function to powerseat
If they put those last three in I would understand about the brakes but come on.
End of my early morning rant after seeing all these cars with brembo last night and compared to my rusty brakes. :p
Seats: are moderate to cheap leather
Navigation: Basically crappy
Stereo: Basic
Sound System: Bose crappy but not surprising after the 300zx bose sucked also.
Sunroof: You can actually see where the inner lining lid is stappled, no cover!
Seats: A heat warmer that BAreeeeeeely heats up the seat, and no seat cooler!?
Buttons: Buttons that break if you use them.
NO Auto Day Time Running Running Light
NO Defog for mirrors
NO Memory function to powerseat
If they put those last three in I would understand about the brakes but come on.
End of my early morning rant after seeing all these cars with brembo last night and compared to my rusty brakes. :p
11-14-2004, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Equis
Just a general question, I have seen WRX, G35, EV08, and some 350z, and they come with Brembo brakes. We pay about the same price for the rx-8 and we get cheap *** brakes that the housing for the rotor rusts after the first rain fall. Surely, Mazda did not spend it either on really good leather seats, they actually suck compared to the G35 for about the same price range.
Really what did they spend in manufacturing besides the engine, that they could not afford to give us all least with the "GT" model some decent brakes.
Seats: are moderate to cheap leather
Navigation: Basically crappy
Stereo: Basic
Sound System: Bose crappy but not surprising after the 300zx bose sucked also.
Sunroof: You can actually see where the inner lining lid is stappled, no cover!
Seats: A heat warmer that BAreeeeeeely heats up the seat, and no seat cooler!?
Buttons: Buttons that break if you use them.
NO Auto Day Time Running Running Light
NO Defog for mirrors
NO Memory function to powerseat
If they put those last three in I would understand about the brakes but come on.
End of my early morning rant after seeing all these cars with brembo last night and compared to my rusty brakes. :p
Really what did they spend in manufacturing besides the engine, that they could not afford to give us all least with the "GT" model some decent brakes.
Seats: are moderate to cheap leather
Navigation: Basically crappy
Stereo: Basic
Sound System: Bose crappy but not surprising after the 300zx bose sucked also.
Sunroof: You can actually see where the inner lining lid is stappled, no cover!
Seats: A heat warmer that BAreeeeeeely heats up the seat, and no seat cooler!?
Buttons: Buttons that break if you use them.
NO Auto Day Time Running Running Light
NO Defog for mirrors
NO Memory function to powerseat
If they put those last three in I would understand about the brakes but come on.
End of my early morning rant after seeing all these cars with brembo last night and compared to my rusty brakes. :p
Hey, just sell your car and we will all be happier.
as for the brakes, our car out brakes many Porsches. If you don't like the rust, spend $15 on come capiler paint and paint the hub. The leather seats seem fine to me...all my switches work perfectly.....no defog for mirrors? Nice to see that you have a firm grasp of what a sports car is. Sounds to me like you would be happier driving some bid SUV. Hey go buy a Chevy Trailblazer, they have the warmest seat heaters I've ever sat on. MY 8 has daytime running lights. (manditory in Canada)..not that it should be that big a deal.
Instead of complaining about all the lux features you think our car is lacking, how about concentrate on why most people buy the car...the engine, the handling, the style...did I mention the handling?
11-14-2004, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rotten42
Hey, just sell your car and we will all be happier.
Instead of complaining about all the lux features you think our car is lacking, how about concentrate on why most people buy the car...the engine, the handling, the style...did I mention the handling?
Instead of complaining about all the lux features you think our car is lacking, how about concentrate on why most people buy the car...the engine, the handling, the style...did I mention the handling?
11-14-2004, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Genesis
Did I mention my previous post? What if your car sucked...and what would you do, post your grievances? Do you think you'll get flamed for that? Duh. Too many happy 8 owners. Instead of condeming others for posting their bad experience with the 8, why not embrace their experience and learn from it should you have a simiar experience down the road...cripes.
i had my engine replaced and i didn't bitch like that!
I posted that it had died...what the problem ended up being and then what good service I got from my dealer. What I didn't do was to pick the car apart and complain about every flaw. Maybe if he had done it over a couple of posts it might not have had the same impact. Maybe if he hadn't started comparing the RX to all the other ususal suspects myself and others might not have gotten our back hair up.
...too me it just sounded like complaining.
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11-14-2004, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rotten42
i had my engine replaced and i didn't bitch like that!
I posted that it had died...what the problem ended up being and then what good service I got from my dealer. What I didn't do was to pick the car apart and complain about every flaw. Maybe if he had done it over a couple of posts it might not have had the same impact. Maybe if he hadn't started comparing the RX to all the other ususal suspects myself and others might not have gotten our back hair up.
...too me it just sounded like complaining.
I posted that it had died...what the problem ended up being and then what good service I got from my dealer. What I didn't do was to pick the car apart and complain about every flaw. Maybe if he had done it over a couple of posts it might not have had the same impact. Maybe if he hadn't started comparing the RX to all the other ususal suspects myself and others might not have gotten our back hair up.
...too me it just sounded like complaining.
11-14-2004, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Equis
NO Auto Day Time Running Running Light
NO Defog for mirrors
NO Memory function to powerseat
If they put those last three in I would understand about the brakes but come on.
NO Defog for mirrors
NO Memory function to powerseat
If they put those last three in I would understand about the brakes but come on.
I agree with most people here that the brakes peform well (even the TSB ones), even if they don't look good at all compared to Brembos. As far as the rusty rotors are concerned, you can get your dealer to paint them for free. My dealer painted mine and they look great.
I do agree with you that the sound system is pretty lacking. I had a Chevy Blazer that sounded much better than my 8's. But you can do a search and see that this grievance has been discussed before.
Also consider that adding more options = adding more weight which, unfortunately, would make the car even slower.
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11-14-2004, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Genesis
Understood. But rotten, that's exactly what I'm saying...some of the 8's are dead when you get 'em. Fair? not! But no different than buying GM, Mitsu or Ford ****. Your "usual suspects" statement is right on! Many cars mentioned in this thread have issues...would make a great poll, but it's not an 8 vs. them issue.
Right...... its not so much what he said but how he said it.
Its like saying to a women, "You look fat" instead of "You look Phat". :p
11-14-2004, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Genesis
Ya, ok, I can buy that, but remember he's pissed cause of the problems and rarely will people ever dictate their issues "nicely" when it comes to spending hard money which seems like a loss. Man, do I get pissed at the stock market :p
I stay away from the stock market other than my retirement plan....I don't like dealing with something I can't control. I put my money inot my own businesses.
11-14-2004, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GiN
I couldn't attest to the quality of the leather seats, as I only have the touring package. But, rumour has it that these seats are made with real Italian leather, if that means anything.
:D
11-14-2004, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Equis
Are all you guys who are flamming me retarded because your responses are.
11-14-2004, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Equis
I did test drive the 350, rx8, sti, evo8, tt, and some other cars, the 8 was the best for the price range. I am just surprised how it starts to fall apart so fast. I guess I got a bad production of the car. My nav has never worked right, my driver side seat looks like wrinkled beef jerky at the bottom **** area, my defrost button cracked, my a/c button fell off, my rotor housings are rusty, constant low oil light no matter how much oil, car has many hard starts, and I just don't see having all these little problems within the 5 months of ownership.
11-14-2004, 08:44 PM
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Boy, that's a mighty fine "whine" you've got there Equus ...
Sorry you're dissatisfied with your car. I love mine. I don't need to see "Brembo" through the wheels to enjoy my car.
Sorry you're dissatisfied with your car. I love mine. I don't need to see "Brembo" through the wheels to enjoy my car.
11-15-2004, 04:50 AM
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LoL,
I have gone to the dealer 3 times, they gave me an excuse about how their prvious staff was not doing something right and was laid off. I bought the car as the showroom car, I paid brand new price for it, then they called me back into sign up the forms again to attest that in fact it was a used model because of the milage, I asked for a discount in price for the trouble but they said no, I was pretty much stuck since I already had paid and all.
Appearently getting in their face does not work as I have written to Mazda USA, and they just noted in their "files" that the dealer sucks. I also written to the BBB, and talked to the Service manager at the dealership in detail of the problems, in all this span of 5 months with the mentioned problems all they managed to do was install a fuse box cover that the car did not come with.
So please don't ever ever ever ever buy or service your car at Mazda Newark, aka Magnnesuns Fremont Ford. They can not do anything right, they keep my car like 5 days over from promised delivery date for basically doing NOTHING.
I have gone to the dealer 3 times, they gave me an excuse about how their prvious staff was not doing something right and was laid off. I bought the car as the showroom car, I paid brand new price for it, then they called me back into sign up the forms again to attest that in fact it was a used model because of the milage, I asked for a discount in price for the trouble but they said no, I was pretty much stuck since I already had paid and all.
Appearently getting in their face does not work as I have written to Mazda USA, and they just noted in their "files" that the dealer sucks. I also written to the BBB, and talked to the Service manager at the dealership in detail of the problems, in all this span of 5 months with the mentioned problems all they managed to do was install a fuse box cover that the car did not come with.
So please don't ever ever ever ever buy or service your car at Mazda Newark, aka Magnnesuns Fremont Ford. They can not do anything right, they keep my car like 5 days over from promised delivery date for basically doing NOTHING.
11-15-2004, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by s13lover
Okay, go spend $6 on a can of high temp ceramic paint and you can paint your rotor hubs and calipers. Rust problem solved. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
11-15-2004, 07:45 AM
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I don't know but you have only complained about this car. You sound like a troll but I hope I'm wrong. I have no complaints or problems, just like most of us on here.
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11-15-2004, 09:29 AM
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In defense of Equis, I would have to agree with him on a couple of those points, but at the same time, nobody likes a complainer. There, am I sitting on the fence, or what??!!?? Actually, the 8 is cheaper than the g35/350z in our market. So I would have to agree that even if they had to charge me an extra $500 to give me some gee-whiz parts straight from factory, Mazda would still be under the competition's price points. But then again, they probably wanted to leave room for MS upgrades.
The brakes look like parts bin brakes. I think I read somewhere that they were used on some Volvos as well. Can anyone verify? It doesn't diminsh the performance of the system, but it would be nice not to have rust nor so much brake dust.
Stereo is adequate for it's intended purpose. You're supposed to be enjoying the engine sounds......
No need for seat memory, just don't let anyone else drive your car. Now you have the perfect excuse...
Is it true that some dealers will paint the brakes for free??
The brakes look like parts bin brakes. I think I read somewhere that they were used on some Volvos as well. Can anyone verify? It doesn't diminsh the performance of the system, but it would be nice not to have rust nor so much brake dust.
Stereo is adequate for it's intended purpose. You're supposed to be enjoying the engine sounds......
No need for seat memory, just don't let anyone else drive your car. Now you have the perfect excuse...
Is it true that some dealers will paint the brakes for free??