ayap888

Ok. so the RX8 does 6.5 sec 0-60 with one adult (driver). But if you add 50 lbs. of appearance package & spoiler plus two adults and one fat 100 lb. kid in the car's backseat --- my guess is that the 0-60 goes down to about 7.8 - 8.0.

Based on the cartest simulation, the Auto can do 7.3 seconds with one adult, but loaded -- it will do about 8.2. So an RX Auto without any appearance package (50 lbs. off) with one passenger can beat the RX8 manual (loaded).


:D :p :D

Overport

whaaa? i've seen the RX-8 manual do 0-60 in 5.9 seconds. 8 seconds? naaahh.

ayap888

ok.. so maybe it will do 7.6 sec ... but the auto can still do 7.3 ... hehe

BTW several of the car test I've seen only rates the manual between 6.4 - 6.7.
The 5.9 sec --- was not that the 0-60 speed when Mazda claimed the RX manual as having 247 hp instead of 238 hp??? Then the HP changed due to meeting environment standards in the US.

VelociRedBeast

That's good for me then cause I have no appearance package, just sports package.

slllygrl10

auto wins over manual hehe oops I think you shifted too quickly

Overport

Ha! i knew i heard that somewhere but didn't know if it was a reliable source. your right, that was what mazda claimed before the hp clarification.

by the way...go manual!!

Jeffjett

Dude . . . Quit sniffin so many bicycle seats. You gettin brain damage.

RX22

Yeah!!! And then you could make the manual pull a horse trailer and then take everything out of the auto except for the driver's seat!!

Gimme a break!

RUmble

It has to do with dropping the clutch (5.9 secs) or not (7.5 secs).

Cam

iTrader: (1)

If thinking this makes you feel better about buying an autotragic, so be it.

Dark8

My last two wives would only drive an auto. Hmmm....

ayap888

Why are the manual owners always bashing the auto? Did you see the consumer feedback at Edmunds. It seems the tranny has a lot of problems. The manual tranny gets damaged quickly and the clutch gets stuck and burned out as a couple of reviews said. So many reports of RX8 manual owners who probably don't hang around this forum. Here one complaint about manual. (I'm not bashing manuals, I'm just relaying the feedback from Edmunds.com about manual trannies)
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Date Posted
07/29/2004 rx-8 fun car, horrible factory support by jpw8737
Style: 4dr Coupe (1.3L 2rtr 6M) Rating 7.0
Review: i bought my rx-8 about five months ago, its been through 2 transmissions,and continual factory problems, with no good manufacturer customer service. fun to drive, handles great!! too many minor problems.
Favorite Features: styling, body lines. rotary accents all over
Suggested Improvements: fatory cusotmer service

It seems like manual trannies are falling apart much much faster than auto trannies. And don't forget guys that manuals have slooowww and weak torque. It won't beat an automatic in twisty roads with a lot of low gearing.

Ellar

Won't beat the auto in the twisties? I'll have what THIS guy is drinking!

Ike

Lay off the crack and get a clue. MT has a nice advantage in the twisties, the little bit of extra torque the AT has will not even come close to making up for the lower HP, extra drivetrain lose, and lack of driver interaction. The AT is slow, deal with it.

Gord96BRG

No. Mazda claimed something like 0-60 in 6.2 seconds, and made a point of stating that the performance did NOT change at all when the engines were re-rated. It was the rating that changed, not the actual power produced by the engines. Car and Driver and Road & Track both achieved 0-60 in 5.9 seconds in their preliminary testing. When Road & Track tested a production model this past spring (1 year later), they got 0-60 in 6.0 seconds. 6.2 is conservative, 6.4-6.7 is by someone who doesn't know how to drag race (which is what all the magazine performance tests are doing to generate their acceleration test results for any/all cars they test).

Sorry, we manual owners aren't always ragging on the auto owners - YOU started this thread! PS - that Edmunds review you posted was written by a moron who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. I'd bet he's the reason his car is blowing transmissions, not any inherent fault - he doesn't know how to drive it properly! That's abuse, not a defective transmission design.

Regards,
Gordon

ayap888

I'm just stating the facts I've read. No hard feelings. I started this thread for fun, not for bashing. It was meant to be a light joke. I know the manual has more HP, but it's a fact that autos have more torque.

I've done a search on this forum and I was surprised to see a lot of bashing on the autos. Oh well ... this is a discussion that never ends.

Regards and Peace. to the manuals ... keep on driving

Jeffjett

"Why are the manual owners always bashing the auto?" WTF? I think the name of this thread was "When the RX8 beats the RX8 Manual". Now then, who is bashing whom?

BTW, the auto does beat the manual in one category: The auto ends up at the used car lot alot sooner than the manual, as those who made the initial mistake try to acquire a manual.

ayap888

Yeah yea ... i did a search .. I couldn't believe how many post bashed the auto. .. It's a fact .. not hype ...not exaggeration ... facts are facts ... if you don't believe. ... do a search on auto discussions here... peace buddy. I know you drive fast and your manual is SUPERIOR. After all, manuals are fun to drive for drag races.

Jeffjett

No prob ... I hope you enjoy what you drive, as I enjoy mine. After all, they are all still 8's. I know several guys who drive, and like their auto 8's.

To each his (or her) own.

Razpewton

To each his own. If you want an auto....GET IT! umkay?

Ike

Yeah because we all know the best drag cars are MTs and the best track cars are ATs

JeRKy 8 Owner

The only wayan automatic can beat a manual is if the driver in the 6spd drops the clutch below 2000 RPM and keeps shifts under 7500 RPM. And anyone who has driven an Rx8 for more than one day will know never to do something that stupid.

But as great as all the manual Rx8 owners make theircar sound -- it seriously is not worth trading in or selling an automatic Rx8 for (at least not in my opinion). In retrospect I wish I had a manual Rx8 today sincetheres more fun that can be had w/one and more freedom but I certainly wouldnot sell my auto for one -- and especially not for performance reasons. If Iwere going to sell my Rx8 todayin order to buy a faster car -- then a stick Rx8 definitely would not be its replacement.

I test drove amanual once again a few weeksago while my automatic wasbeing serviced and I was reminded that while the manual is a lot more fun to drive (you obviously have more control) it still is not incredibly fast. Theres more pick up whenyou down shift from onegear to the other sinceit has more power up top (not to mention a wider range) but down low its just as torqueless as ours are. However there are dozens of cars that out perform the manual Rx8 where straight line performance is concerned. Swapping an auto for a manual solely b/c its faster is a poor decision to make. Onthe other hand doing the swap for the purpose of having more control of the Renesis would make a little more sense to me.

All in all youre better off keeping yourautomatic and waiting for turbo chargers to become available (which is supposed to be sometime next year) sinceyoure going to end up losing the same amount of money as you would in a trade for an auto to a stick. Only qualms I have w/that is youll most likely wear all your parts sooner plus you warranty will be eradicated -- not to mention run the risk of losing all that money you put into the turbo kit if youre ever in a bad accident.

zyran

I want to know an accurate 0-60 time for the AT. It can't be 7.5, can it?

Ike

That's probably on the fast side, but I have yet to see a mag do a test on one.

takahashi

Rotary vs Rotary...

Next thread will start, "FD3S vs SE3P" :p