CyberPitz

Shoafb, except for the many people who have quite a few miles on their engine right now. We know your engine failed, we know you feel the need to remain here and talk about how our engines fail all the time....but in reality, an engine well maintained will last longer than one that isn't. That's what cmr333 said.

Shoafb

I have replied to 3 threads. One of which was the one I started. Shall I not reply to my own thread now? Also in that very same thread 2 members with well maintained engines ( by rotary or any other standards ) blew. So the argument does not hold water. Some fail, some don't. We don't know why.

I suppose I should not have replied to the poll as well.

If everyone who had an engine fail just left.... how would you know how many engines failed? We would not be here to report it.

CyberPitz

So your saying that no matter if you even maintain the engine, it's going to blow at roughly the same time as a properly maintained one? I should try this one out, and stop wasting money on oil changes, then.

lilring

iTrader: (11)

well first engine at 12,500 miles
sencond engine at 25,000 miles
and third engine at 43,000 miles

and its an 2004 4 port AT

Shoafb

When did I say that? Please qoute where I said there was no need to maintain the engine.

Schools just aren't what they used to be when it comes to reading comprehension I guess.

dmc27

There are plenty of owners that maintained their cars better than the manual calls for - ie oil changes every 3k, plenty of high rev driving, etc. who have had an engine replacement. I can think of at least 2 such members who have had multiple replacements.

Saying only 'poorly maintained' engines are croaking is terribly unfair to those owners who did everything right and still had one die.

That being said - improperly maintained engines are more susceptible. The ones that are run w/a lack of oil, infrequent changes, granny driving, etc - they are f8cking doomed, especially if they live hot climates.

Raptor75

Cut the guy some slack, if you were in his shoes you'd want to vent also. I know I would. He spent a lot of money on this car and to have premature engine failure that you then have to foot the bill for would really **** me off. To make matter worst Mazda knows about the problem.

rotten42

I need to be able to vote twice...

Shoafb

Thanks Raptor. Just to be clear though my engine was under warranty so I was out of pocket nothing but the money I lost trading the car in. I did loose a lot of money on the trade though, that is for sure.

CyberPitz

Yay, insult reading comprehension. Lets just dive straight to that. You quoted a guy who said you have a better chance at having a decent maintenance record means you will in most cases have a longer lasting engine, which is VERY true, you said he was wrong. Here, you asked me to quote, let me help!
Here, I can help some more
@Raptor - I understand the need to vent, it was just a that every time I see him post, I can guarantee I know the gist of it. It's like a broken record. Yes, your engine blew, sucks. Yes, Mazda has an issue with the engine and they NEED to fix it. Everybody knows it *except for the newbs of the forum, or the people who have plugs in the ears*

Tigerfootball

correct me if I am wrong here, but wasn't part of the reason for the engines failing due to how the computer was programmed? something about not allowing enough oil in?

8is>enuff

I lol'd.

That almost makes up for your post in the curse of the silver thread.

rled

Balony

TALAN7

BS I took very good care of my car and I need a new engine now at 98,000 miles. I believe I got to almost 100,000 miles because I took good care of her. Many went much earlier. Now I know some have and will go past 100,000 miles, but I also believe that most engines won't see 100,000 miles before needing to be replaced. At least not most of the first few model years.

Raptor75

There appears to be 2 areas responsible for engine failure in the RX-8.

1) Engine lubrication: The theory is that the Apex seals are not receiving proper lubrication causing low compression and engine failure. Mazda had a recall at which time they re-metered the MOP for more oil at specify temps, loads ect.... They currently have another flash which again readjusts the MOP and if you look at the new model coming out they have added a 3rd oil injector to oil the Apex seal. So we really don't know if this problem is solved or not. Also the problem effect more AT them MT and effect people more in hotter dry climates.

2) There appears to be a carbon build up issue that could be causing some failures. This issue was suspected but seems to be coming to light. It may be nothing but we just don't know.

Shoafb

Ok CP. I stated the above was not true. As in... It has NOT been proven that if you take care of the car like you are supposed to it can take a beating. This implies the engines that failed, where not maintained.... and as I said THIS is not true.

At no point did I say an unmaintained engine will last as long as one that is maintained which brings me back your reading comprehensionn or lack of it.

Again, you misqouted the guy I qouted and that is not the first time you have done so.

@Raptor - I understand the need to vent, it was just a that every time I see him post, I can guarantee I know the gist of it. It's like a broken record. Yes, your engine blew, sucks. Yes, Mazda has an issue with the engine and they NEED to fix it. Everybody knows it *except for the newbs of the forum, or the people who have plugs in the ears*


and we know your gist as well. The engines are fine, there is no problem.

kersh4w

iTrader: (3)

its interesting that we have a nice bell curve going.

i wonder if it'll stay like that.

JRichter

I'm still eagerly awaiting an engine failure, but this will be interesting...

cmr333

ok when i said what i said i guess it was taken way wrong. my engine was not taken care of and started showing signs of failure at 70k. if it had been i might have made it to 90 or 100. i was not saying that mantinece was the main issue because we all now it is not. what i was trying to get across is what a few other people have posted in this thread, you might have a bit of a better chance at having the renny last a bit longer with good mantinence and proper driving.

CyberPitz

Yes, because I'm all for jumping on the bandwagon for saying that our engines are 100% fine, no issues with our engines at all. Heck, having so many failures already is proof that our engines are flawless. The only thing I was portraying in this thread was if you maintain the engine properly, you have a much higher chance to evade failure than if you don't, and not even you can deny that, eh Shoafy?

Now, I don't feel the need to keep this bickering in a public thread. If you feel the need to take more silly jabs at my reading comprehension or something, I'm all for it through PMs.

New Yorker

Hey, what exactly prevents someone—or scores of people—who don't even own an 8 from registering and voting? I'm not real computer literate; what's the safeguard that prevents that?

CyberPitz

There isn't a real safeguard, but if somebody makes multiple accounts, the admins will note the same IP being logged with multiple accounts and work to ban/remove them...not sure if they can remove votes.

05rx8mazda

iTrader: (4)

45K miles no engine failure for me =DDD

I drove my car hard since day 1 =]] peeling out of the dealer parking lot haha

(over exaggerating) but yep..

i do the oil changes 3K 4K 5K even 6k depending if i have time but normally att 4K miles.. I also only use synthetic royal purple

I dont redline top much but i do drive in the 8K rpm range =]

the service guy said that 9-10 8's that come inf or a new engine are the auto's

he even said that one time they had put a new engine in a auto 8 and when they went to go test drive it the engine needed to be replaced again i guess it died on them..

i guess its hard to get them running right but when you do rotaries are the best

Easy_E1

iTrader: (2)

Which one? I'm on number 4.

New Yorker

So… if 10 guys with 350Zs register and each vote once, and ten guys with Evos register and each vote once, and ten guys with Mustangs register and each vote once… the votes will count?