DocBeech

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Ive found a website that everyone should use and contribute to. Running ethanol free fuel will not only save engine life, and vital components, it will also improve your gas mileage. Ethanol has been linked to gas tank corrosion, spark plug failure, engine wear, fuel pump failure, low gas mileage, cat burn out, and many other things. There is a website www.pure-gas.org that lists gas stations using ETOH free fuel. Please contribute if you know if a station so we can keep out rotarys in top working order and get a couple more thousand miles out of them. also if you have any specific details around dallas of where to get this fuel id love to know, currently im using a loves station by waco and filling jerry cans.

Jedi54

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I use Shell and they use at minnimum 10% ethanol.

jasonrxeight

pretty much all BP gas stations in NE sell no ethanol 87 and 91, only 89 is 10% and is the cheapest of the three.
I heard ethanol actually cleans the engine and other components. of course, if the components were dirty, running ethanol could loosen the gunk and clog the pump.

9krpmrx8

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That Loves you speak of is very old (my parents live in Eddy, Texas). I would be more worried about gas tank crud there. New gas stations run plastic tanks that are much better. Dirty fuel cause more problems, wear, and carbon build up.

I only use Shell 93. This motor has only seen one tank of Texaco (which is not bad) in it's life and that was due to a weird lack of Shell stations out in the country coming back to SA.

DocBeech

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I dunno ive put fuel from dallas in my car twice, and fuel from loves seems to run a lot cleaner, and smoother. I have more power, and acceleration. Its a noticeable difference. ive been doing a lot of reading too and some pumps are using more than 18% ethanol and its destroying engine components.

http://thehill.com/special-reports/e...ge-in-gasoline

Tweek

chevron i think is a little less than 10%

9krpmrx8

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Well thanks for the info, new stuff is always appreciated.


Plus it has Techron which is really good stuff too. Texaco and Chevron are on in the same now though I believe. REDRX3RX8 probably has some knowledge about this stuff since he was in the biz for abagillion years.

DarkLord7854

Figures that there's none in Miami with 93 octane..

DocBeech

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you should check them out first, that site is all user generated. remember that might just be the gas he bought. call and ask them what all they carry or go check it out. these are user submitted gas stations which is why we need everyones help to grow the list.

REDRX3RX8

All right here goes a rant! If they got too much ethanol, run more indy car races, encourage more teams to change over, make more industrial engines for pump jacks, etc, whateva, but stop wasting it in gasoline! So when they put it in gasoline the lost gas mileage is equal to the ethanol so it's a big waste, and farm subsidy.

Instead, sell a few sporty cars with 100% ethanol, and 15-18/1 compression, and some people will get their moneys worth outta the fuel.

So it turns out that Brazil has been self sufficient with sugar cane ethanol on a bunch of VW' s, etc. for decades. Those cars have that high compression ratio to maximize economy, and our leaders know nothing about science, physics or chemistry.

I mean Nasa has been told to make Muslims and Arabs feel good about the science they did 1000 years ago! WTF!

I live in West Texas where lots of oil money helps pay taxes, no ethanol gas in the area (that I'm aware of ), and if I get a code it'll pass inspection. WIN! WIN!

DocBeech

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so red, since youve been in the industry forever do you know any reliable resources to find ethanol free gas, so that I dont destroy my engine early and my fuel mileage.

jasonrxeight

I dont mind running ethanol tho. better than petrol I think.

jasonrxeight

I dont think you will destory your engine. more like it eats seals and stuff.
ethanol increases octane rating. thats why in nebraska 89 is cheapest because its basically 87+10% ethanol since ethanol is much easier to get.

DocBeech

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read this please http://www.fuel-testers.com/list_e10_engine_damage.html

jasonrxeight

how many people have been running those E10 gas and how many have had those problems?

DocBeech

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well it could explain some engine problems, and the reason people have to premix fuel for our rx8. etoh fuel seems to dry out seals worse, and sense instead of a metal piston ring the rotary engine is a lot more reliant on oil sealing. The drying caused by alcohol could explain a lot of problems, including engines not being as smooth. i know more reading is necessary but thats an unbiased fuel testing company. and from what ive been reading there is more problems than just that. companies are putting minimum signs and running all the way up to 20% or 18% around that area cant be good for cars not really designed to run alcohol. its also been linked to fuel management system problems, and fuel delivery problems.

the only fix ive found is to mix water with the fuel, and itll pull the alcohol to the bottom of the jerry can and you just insert a plug into the can and drain off the water.

Psylence

Ethanol blows... kills mpg. It's a big handout to agribusiness and has very little to do with anything beneficial to the individual or environment.

The addition of ethanol makes gas much more hygroscopic, which increases the degradation of the fuel. Essentially, anything with ethanol sucks up water and makes the gas shittier WAY faster than plain old gas.

Whenever i have the option, I go ethanol free. Hell, I may go back to running Sunoco GT100 just because I KNOW it's better.

REDRX3RX8

Yeah, I would really like to run pure ethanol, but the vehicle has to have the whole fuel and combustion chamber redesigned. Ethanol is drying to seals and rubber, but runs a lot cooler, and needs to run richer, so the engine heat load might be a little less.

I don't have any resources on where to buy alcohol free gas the OP's web page does, but you could order barrels of gas from speed shops or maybe get 100octane fuel at a small airfield.

9krpmrx8

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How do we know those stations don't have ethanol in the gas? I doubt the attendants have any clue.

tbk

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at my work, when they make deliveries they give us a report of how much was put into our tank, how much ethanol it contains, where it came from etc. all i've ever seen on the reports is 10% ethanol there. as to wether thats true,

9krpmrx8

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Oh wow, I'm surprised they even give that. So H.E.B gas has ethanol huh.

tbk

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ya, its even on the pumps "may contain up to 10% ethanol"
i have seen 8% on the reports but not often.

also our gas is the same stuff you get at exxon, just cheaper.

SmallsRHIT

I highly doubt any major oil company is blending more than 10%. The federal government has approved blends up to 10%. Automakers refuse to support blends greater than 10%, so if gasoline is sold with more than 10% ethanol, the gasoline producer assumes that liability. I don't see any of the majors doing that.

Loki

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That doesn't even make any sense.. it's very hard to dry out a metal apex or side seal.

jasonrxeight

how can you dry out apex seals by ethanol?
first apex seals are not lubricated by water but oil. as a solvent, ethanol and gas can both dissolve engine oil making it thinner to dry out the apex seal. Ive never seen anyone using gasoline for lubrication.