Turn off that DSC and Traction Control... - RX8Club.com

Go Back  RX8Club.com > General Topics > RX-8 Discussion
Reload this Page >

Turn off that DSC and Traction Control...

Notices
RX-8 Discussion General discussion about the RX-8 that doesn't fit in one of the specialty forums.

Turn off that DSC and Traction Control...

Old 12-14-2005, 05:07 PM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
800Degrees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 203
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Turn off that DSC and Traction Control...

Because it works too well! Okay, I realize that sounds stupid. I leave mine on most of the time. But I realized something this week - leaving it on all the time has forced me to, unknowingly, rely on it.

We all know how to turn the systems off right - press the button (turns the DSC off) hold the button for 7 or 8 seconds - turns off the traction control.

This week, I started turning it off as soon as I started the car. Then, I'd drive as I usually do. This pointed something out to me - I drive the car hard. I found that I was routinely accelerating hard enough in turns, to make the back end step out - sometimes a lot. Of course, with the system on, nothing happens - you just go!

I guess my point is that leaving the system on all the time, you won't really "learn" how to drive the car at the limits - in the pure sense. But, if you never turn the system off... the point's moot - the system's got your back. Oh, it later dawned on me that cops kind of frown on little red sports cars drifting around ramps... I may have to go back to letting the systems do their job...
-Mark
800Degrees is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to 800Degrees For This Useful Post:
jorlanjm (10-18-2017)
Old 12-14-2005, 05:09 PM
  #2  
Registered User
 
BlueEyes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,887
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yeah, don't drive like a douche on public streets.
BlueEyes is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 05:40 PM
  #4  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
800Degrees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 203
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quick note: I don't need a lecture on safe driving - I haven't had a ticket of any kind in over 10 years. Nor have I damaged a street car (off-road is a different story) in any way in 20 years.

Save your &*$ing holyier than thou crap. We all drive our cars hard. My point was related to learning the car. Of course I don't advocate unsafe driving. The idea is to recognize that point of slip/slide and not go there again - unless you're on a track. Oh, and note the avatar - I do drive on a track.
800Degrees is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to 800Degrees For This Useful Post:
DR_JDUBZ (10-21-2017)
Old 12-14-2005, 05:56 PM
  #5  
RainMan is Back
 
brothervoodoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 2,649
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 800Degrees
Oh, it later dawned on me that cops kind of frown on little red sports cars drifting around ramps... I may have to go back to letting the systems do their job...
-Mark
Originally Posted by 800Degrees
Of course I don't advocate unsafe driving.
I think Blue Eyes stated it as succinctly as possible...
brothervoodoo is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 06:18 PM
  #6  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
800Degrees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 203
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Sorry - my intention with the was that I was kidding - I don't "drift" around onramps. Ocassionally, the back end will step out - sometimes a lot. This is that "learning" thing I was referring to. Damn, you guys are some uptight pussies.
800Degrees is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 06:21 PM
  #7  
GARX8Club.com
 
SilverEIGHT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Buford, GA USA
Posts: 4,865
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have pictures of my 8 on a track and I have pictures of my 8 totaled on a public road because I turned my DSC off before I knew what the hell I was doing. I agree it is important to learn what the car can do and doing it on a track is the best way (for me). If I turn off my DSC, it is for one reason ONLY, to be aggressive. Why would I do that on public roads? You can be aggressive and leave the DSC on. This is my personal opinion and I respect yours. Since you opened the discussion up I should hope that you will respect mine.
SilverEIGHT is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 06:25 PM
  #8  
U-Stink-But-I-♥-U
iTrader: (1)
 
carbonRX8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: 12 o'clock on the Beltway.
Posts: 2,003
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Forms of traction control have been shown in certain studies to reduce single-vehicle accidents by 40%. Compare that to ABS; 0% reduction of any accidents.
carbonRX8 is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 06:51 PM
  #10  
Registered User
 
NomisR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Hell in the desert
Posts: 445
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've found that this car is really subtle and gentle in the way it loses control and the way it's traction control works.

When it's traction control is at work, it doesn't intrude making it really obvious that's there. Yet when it's off, the car lets you know that it's going to lose it without suddenly just snap the rear end out. I really love this car!
NomisR is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 07:00 PM
  #11  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
800Degrees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 203
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by djseto
Yeh..I think your misinterperted what I said. When I said "if you want to drive the car hard and reduce your risk of hurting yourself due to a brain fart, leave it on.", I meant "you" as in people in general, not specifically you. That being said, maybe you need to calm the $%#@ down. No one here is preaching to you...calling people here uptight Pussies isnt the best way to respond. Ill be the first to apologize if you thought I was attacking you. I wasnt. Oh and my avatar, thats me at the track as well on two wheels.
Okay - Sorry. I apologize... really. I did misinterpret the "you". And, you're right... I need to come the *@$! down. Sorry for that too.

My intent was purely constructive. Clearly I need to choose my word more carefully... By the way - love the avatar...
800Degrees is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 07:06 PM
  #12  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
800Degrees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 203
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by SilverEIGHT
I have pictures of my 8 on a track and I have pictures of my 8 totaled on a public road because I turned my DSC off before I knew what the hell I was doing. I agree it is important to learn what the car can do and doing it on a track is the best way (for me). If I turn off my DSC, it is for one reason ONLY, to be aggressive. Why would I do that on public roads? You can be aggressive and leave the DSC on. This is my personal opinion and I respect yours. Since you opened the discussion up I should hope that you will respect mine.
I do respect your opinion... thanks for that comment. My goal in turning the system off is to find that line between slip and slide (not the kids' toy... that technical thing the pros talk about) - feeling the limit of the tires/car (slip) without breaking loose (slide) thus remaining in total control (a relative term I realize). And absolutely, the track is the best place for this. But pushing the car (not drifting) on an onramp now and then is about the extent of my "unsafe" driving...
800Degrees is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 07:19 PM
  #13  
GARX8Club.com
 
SilverEIGHT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Buford, GA USA
Posts: 4,865
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It is a good feeling when it is on the edge. I'm not experienced enough to feel safe with it presently. The autocross track is great for that. The only problem is that 4 runs at 60 seconds is just not enough time for me to really get the feel and it leaves me wanting more. Next month a group of us are renting a road course for a Saturday. We have a group of instructors and with only 10 people we will probably be tired of driving before the day is over. I will be learning the limits with the stability turned off and I'm excited as a little girl. My goal is to learn the limits without breaking loose as you said.

Last edited by SilverEIGHT; 12-14-2005 at 07:28 PM.
SilverEIGHT is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 07:28 PM
  #14  
Im 8 drifting on a budget
 
juikster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Marble Falls Tx.
Posts: 1,002
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
At times some on this forum tend to make comments about others though its a possibility themselves may have also indulged in a little foot happy horse play, course I may also be wrong of those someones
juikster is offline  
Old 12-14-2005, 07:31 PM
  #15  
Registered User
 
buzzardsluck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: san antonio TX
Posts: 273
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
If you can see the lights going off, thats a pretty good sign that the car was sliding and the previous action is what caused it. I dont know about you but I can feel the DSC and the car starting to slide so I've got a pretty good idea what actions cause the car to want to move off line.

Driving (very carefully) this wet morning in my 7, I was wishing it had DSC/TC.

Also note my non-track avatar lol
buzzardsluck is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 03:14 AM
  #16  
jefffy
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
lol, you guys have it good, my 8 doesn't have dsc or tcs, sometimes i wish i had it, one day it was ridiculous, with the stock so4 tires, at like 10 mph, the back swung out while taking a left on the first rain.
cardesigne is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 07:16 AM
  #17  
 
Bart!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: NJ
Posts: 668
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
How do you turn on the TCS after you turn it off? Pushing or holding the bottom wont do it - turning off the car will, is this the only way?
Bart! is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 07:37 AM
  #18  
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Madrid, Spain
Posts: 80
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's the only one I know of
maikelnait is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 08:34 AM
  #19  
The shadows of an 8
 
lefty63's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Louisville. KY
Posts: 66
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I was glad my DSC was on the other day. It was a light rain and I went to second gear and went on it hard when it hit the power power band about 5500rpm it tried to kick out, but the DSC kicked in and brought it back under control.

It still kicked out pretty far and it happened in a split second, if the DSC had been off I may have crashed due to I was coming upon a curve.

for DSC !!!!!!
lefty63 is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 08:39 AM
  #20  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
800Degrees's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 203
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Bart!
How do you turn on the TCS after you turn it off? Pushing or holding the bottom wont do it - turning off the car will, is this the only way?
Yeah, you've got to turn the car off and back on...
800Degrees is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 08:47 AM
  #21  
Registered User
 
blue flash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: b f e
Posts: 378
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
i hardly ever take mine off unless i'm on a road trip [interstate] which gives me about 5 more mpg's..or unless i take 1 of my friends for a quick ride.
blue flash is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 09:22 AM
  #22  
czr
RX8 RX8!
iTrader: (3)
 
czr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Posts: 1,189
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by BlueEyes
Yeah, don't drive like a douche on public streets.
Great contribution to the topic here. Thank you for the obvious. He who does not even have an 8 nor dcs/tcs.
Attached Thumbnails Turn off that DSC and Traction Control...-orly_indian.jpg  
czr is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 10:38 AM
  #23  
Insanely Yellow
 
StewC625's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Buffalo Grove IL
Posts: 2,093
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I occasionally switch it off but only for a moment, and only for a specific purpose - like wanting to feel that total rush to 60-70 mph at WOT - the wheelspin on the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts causes the traction control to intervene and kill the fun.

That and when I occasionally take my 10 year old sons out on a snowy evening and we go drift around our cul-de-sac at a whopping 15 mph ... they love the oversteer!

SC
StewC625 is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 12:32 PM
  #24  
Registered User
 
Str8cold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Dallas
Posts: 108
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I would highly recommend keeping DSC/TC turned on while on public roads. If you want to learn how to drive close to edge the best is a kart track where you can truely push it and not worrying about damaging anything.
Str8cold is offline  
Old 12-15-2005, 08:24 PM
  #25  
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 86
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Do the base model 6MT have traction control? I feel bad if they dont. I took my traction control off the other day just to see what would happen and well, I dont think I will be doing that again anytime soon. It was fun though, and there wasn't anyone else around so I was safe about it.
cgseanp is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:
You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Turn off that DSC and Traction Control...


Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.