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08-02-2002, 01:36 PM
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turbo?
IF they can get almost the same power from the rotary..as the rx-7 with out using the turbos(approx 250 hp)..Maybe they should add a turbo to the RX-8 ...then the hp could be in the 300's...the only thing is they might raise the base price of the car..and i dont want that.
08-02-2002, 02:17 PM
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I suppose more power would be nice, after all, you can never have too much power! :D However, the projected 250 hp is probably adequate for most. As you already mentioned, a higher hp version would undoubtedly cost more.
Perhaps they'll offer a turbo on the Mazdaspeed version or maybe the RX-7?
Perhaps they'll offer a turbo on the Mazdaspeed version or maybe the RX-7?
08-14-2002, 03:43 PM
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Re: R&T
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Toadman,
Thanks, I'll have to check it out. I have a subscription to Car & Driver and need to get R&T (I think its better).
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Thanks, I'll have to check it out. I have a subscription to Car & Driver and need to get R&T (I think its better).
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08-14-2002, 04:03 PM
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Re: RX-7
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Are they bringing the RX-7 back? I was under the impression that they were going to add a Turbo to the RX-8 in a few years. Can anyone confirm this?
Are they bringing the RX-7 back? I was under the impression that they were going to add a Turbo to the RX-8 in a few years. Can anyone confirm this?
i couldn't figure out how to make a link to that thread as im at work and needing food, maybe one of the mods can do it. how about it toadman?
08-14-2002, 04:09 PM
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You mean here?
Cmon, this forum isnt that big to search, yet at least...
Cmon, this forum isnt that big to search, yet at least...
08-15-2002, 04:29 AM
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No turbos... I hate turbos as they ruin the mid corner stability when you floor it. The sudden power rush breaks the tires loose and well... bad things happen.
I would prefer NA, then if it needs it, asupercharger. But plz no turbo.
I would prefer NA, then if it needs it, asupercharger. But plz no turbo.
08-15-2002, 07:21 AM
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as far as the turbo in an rx8 check hamx0r's link to some memo's that he found. one mentions a supercharged and/or turdoed version later on ( mazdaspeed? it says mps) bossting power to 350bhp.
The following MPS's (Mazda Performance Series) are also in plan:
- Mazda 2 2.0 (MPS?)
- Mazda 3 MPS
- Mazda 6 MPS. That car will be reveiled at the Paris Auto Show next month. With a 2.3L Turbo that preduces 250hp. That car will be sold in Europe fall 2003
- MX-5 MPS. The concept car had a 1.9L 200hp engine. A think the real MX-5 MPS will have the same specs. But I also think that this will be for the next generation MX-5/Miata
- RX-8 MPS. The 350hp
More Mazda: The comingup Premacy will be called "Mazda4" and the new MPV "Mazda8"
08-18-2002, 05:14 AM
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A turbo would be nice indeed, however when you look at the base horse power 250 is very sufficient. I agree more power is better but when you compare to a company like NISSAN in their past Z models the turbo model upgrades tack on about an additional 5K to the cost. You have to pay for your power. I have heard rumors about turbo upgrades upon demand/requests of consumers...I'd hate to buy the car the first year and then they come out with a high performance model year 2.
08-18-2002, 08:12 AM
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I hate to sound like a girly man but isn't 350HP too much?
I mean the a RX-7 (coupe) should weight less than the RX-8. So a sub 2800 hundred pound car with 350 HP would be like a bat out of heck. I'd hate to see the insurance on that car. Sure there are drivers that can handle that kind of power but the average dude is just going to crash.
I mean the a RX-7 (coupe) should weight less than the RX-8. So a sub 2800 hundred pound car with 350 HP would be like a bat out of heck. I'd hate to see the insurance on that car. Sure there are drivers that can handle that kind of power but the average dude is just going to crash.
08-18-2002, 08:26 AM
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LOL... the guy I work for drives a TVR Cerbera 4.5... Oh man that thing flies... I think it's just about 1000 Kg and over 450Bhp..
He's had 2 of them and crashed neither... Mind you it'll wheelspin at any speed and in any gear.
The thing is an animal, still, the new Tuscan is faster!
He's had 2 of them and crashed neither... Mind you it'll wheelspin at any speed and in any gear.
The thing is an animal, still, the new Tuscan is faster!
09-06-2002, 09:32 AM
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hmmm... as a devout 7 fan, i just don't want to see it have the same engine in the RX-8... at least not to the same tune. the 7 should be something special as a halo car, not diluted by sharing out its power with another platform. but hey!! a 320 hp version of the 8 to beat the smoke outa the E46 M3 would be REALLY cool!!
09-06-2002, 12:18 PM
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You want to talk about expensive insurance?? Mazda doesn't want to price itself out of consumers pockets because the insurance is through the roof. That was the biggest problem with the FD3S, people wanted a supercar, Mazda delivered, but nobody could afford to own said supercar
3 Rotor. I like turbo, and it is better than nothing, especially if sequential like the FD3S, but 3 rotor would not have any lag, and based on the horrible complexity of the FD3S's turbos, would probably be much more reliable and easy to fix, unless of course Mazda is working on how to NOT have the problems of the RX-7.
3 Rotor. I like turbo, and it is better than nothing, especially if sequential like the FD3S, but 3 rotor would not have any lag, and based on the horrible complexity of the FD3S's turbos, would probably be much more reliable and easy to fix, unless of course Mazda is working on how to NOT have the problems of the RX-7.
09-06-2002, 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by fuz
No turbos... I hate turbos as they ruin the mid corner stability when you floor it. The sudden power rush breaks the tires loose and well... bad things happen.
No turbos... I hate turbos as they ruin the mid corner stability when you floor it. The sudden power rush breaks the tires loose and well... bad things happen.
The mid corner, aka apex, is the point of maximum lateral G's where in a balnced handling car both front and rear axles are at the limit of grip. You ain't supposed to "floor it" because any change in longitudinal loads will cause a slide. The exception is you are trying to compensate for an unbalanced car that is understeering.
09-10-2002, 07:16 PM
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supercharger
I would like to see a supercharger on the RX-8 because a turbo has inherint heat and reliabilty problems. A SC would give more torque and power at lower RPMs although it would limit the high RPM performance. But I think its the way to go. low boost levels like 4-5 psi (or 0.25-0.3 bar) of boost would be sufficiant to produce 40-60 more HP.
also since the side exhaust ports surface area is twice as much are the old perifial port (can't spell) the volacity of the exhaust could be twice as low for all we know. The exhaust might not have suficiant volocity to get the turbo to spool quickly enogh to be any use.
also since the side exhaust ports surface area is twice as much are the old perifial port (can't spell) the volacity of the exhaust could be twice as low for all we know. The exhaust might not have suficiant volocity to get the turbo to spool quickly enogh to be any use.
09-11-2002, 01:26 AM
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hmmm... interesting thought, but no, you could screw with the cross-sectional area of the exhaust manifold to the turbo, and the diameter of the down pipe to compensate for those huge ports...
but yes!! i totally agree that a super charger (a nice LOUD blower!! hear it sing... ahhh...) would rock in this car, or any rotary, making up for the small displacement giving you (or well, probably your silly kid) the ability to win the stop-light wars with that GT Mustang...
:D heh heh...
but yes!! i totally agree that a super charger (a nice LOUD blower!! hear it sing... ahhh...) would rock in this car, or any rotary, making up for the small displacement giving you (or well, probably your silly kid) the ability to win the stop-light wars with that GT Mustang...
:D heh heh...
09-11-2002, 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by BlueAdept
Not a turbo.... go 3 rotor!
Not a turbo.... go 3 rotor!
3 rotor... TURBO!
make that a limited edition... i'll buy one for sure. Reliable or not.
09-11-2002, 09:41 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAAA!! no, i don't think they'll make their sports sedan with power enough to kill a VIPER!! :D
cool, yes. but save it for the 7!!!
i think rotolewski hit the nail on the head when he said a small blower, roots type, and with a nice whine to it... oh ya...
cool, yes. but save it for the 7!!!
i think rotolewski hit the nail on the head when he said a small blower, roots type, and with a nice whine to it... oh ya...
09-11-2002, 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by babylou
Sounds like you are bit fuz zy on driving technique. The mid corner, aka apex, is the point of maximum lateral G's where in a balnced handling car both front and rear axles are at the limit of grip. You ain't supposed to "floor it" because any change in longitudinal loads will cause a slide. The exception is you are trying to compensate for an unbalanced car that is understeering.
Sounds like you are bit fuz zy on driving technique.
The mid corner, aka apex, is the point of maximum lateral G's where in a balnced handling car both front and rear axles are at the limit of grip. You ain't supposed to "floor it" because any change in longitudinal loads will cause a slide. The exception is you are trying to compensate for an unbalanced car that is understeering.