Trade in for BRZ
 

Who's going to trade their 8 in for a BRZ?

Not me! E46 M3 maybe! BRZ nah!

no problem

RX8 over BRZ? What you think?
https://www.rx8club.com/lounge-4/rx8-over-brz-what-you-think-231639/

Just got my 8 less than a year ago. No plans to trade in any time soon.

nah, why trade for something similar but normal. I like the uniqueness.

Maybe for an Evo, but not a BRZ.

I was on the fence over this one. Seeing as RXs are discontinued in the USA. I'm glad I chose Rotary over Boxer. Definitely more unique and special. 9K > 7K redline :)

What makes the BRZ any more compelling than the RX8? I see nothing about that car that appears to be superior. Cool cars yes, but i don't see any real advantage.

Nah, on the bro-z car.

The aftermarket.

Net HP gains
25HP for standard tune.
12HP for intake
12HP for exhaust
Tuned racing suspension. Also, lowers the car.

Better balance than Porsche Cayman. 2800Lbs.

Reliable engine.

Allot to think about...

The aftermarket support looks like it'll be pretty big. The ECU being open is another great thing for the tuning community.

It's more of a side-grade than an upgrade.

You get better mpg and perhaps a more reliable engine (no one really knows yet) but worse weight distribution, inferior front suspension geometry, and skinny tires with not much room in the wheel wells. I'm not sure it's as easy a decision as you think =)

It's an upgraded TC that beats MX-5 (not Rx nor the Zs)...:sad:

well at the moment I think I will wait, by the time the BRZ after market is in full swing it will be time to get a 2nd car anyway. unless I buy and evo,sti, or e46 m3 first!

At this point, the aftermarket parts are designed to part fools of their money. How good the aftermarket will end up just depends on how well the car sells.

The stuff about the ecu being "open" also seems like nonsense.

Saw it drift at Formula Drift- Long Beach and it was for sure a big time contender - that is, until Ken Gushi slammed it on the tire wall. Nonetheless, yes, Aftermarket will be big on the car. TRD + HKS for sure. However, the BRZ is overpriced IMOat 25.5k. Just 500 more and the WRX is available and I personally believe that is the better platform.

That being said, I'll definitely be looking over this one. Very interested in seeing what creations will spawn over here in the States.

My rule is that each subsequent car needs to be faster and/or nicer. This is neither. Pass.

Trade one first-year unproven sports car for another? No thanks, I'll keep my usable back seats, prettier face, and known issues with tons of support. Especially since I'm in the process of getting a reman motor under warranty :).

it just doesnt appeal to me its kinda fugly lookking IMO (of course thats subjective)

XT, SVX, BRZ. Darwin would be happy. Only took em 28 years.

I don't really see the BRZ as a better car. It's more like a step sideways and slightly back in a lot of ways. To me at least.

Source for these numbers please? Because right now I'm not buying it. Good luck finding that much HP in any modern normally aspirated engine. More than 10% HP gain for an ECU tune?! As for the suspension - big deal. You can find a number of quality aftermarket suspension for just about any car on the market today, I don't see that as a selling point.

Also the Cayman is mid-engined, it will be a better balanced car than the BRZ. Comparing it to the Cayman in general is probably not a good idea, it is in a different league (and price bracket).

I'm not sure about the ECU part but if you have had some experience with Boxer engine (friend has one) they respond to mods fairly well.

Probably not "12hp for an intake" but 5-8 is to be expected, same for Exhaust.

that car has a 50/50 balance and lower than rx-8 CoG. so it will handle the twisties just as good as Rx-8.

As for Reliability, hmm, Dunno yet, Boxer engine usually are ok.

As for trading in, not with my 8. maybe my other car. who knows. I'm open to options.

I've owned 5 911s and one Boxster over the years, so I've tinkered with a few boxer engines.:) On the 986/996 Porsche an intake is nearly worthless, ECU tune is nearly worthless, and a full high-flow exhaust (header, cat, muffler) is worth maybe 8 HP.

Most modern engines do not leave anywhere near that much HP on the table. Aftermarket manufacturers may CLAIM that much HP gain, but typically the dyno does not agree. These things are so highly tuned to optimize HP and MPG that there just isn't that much to gain without major work. Just stop and think about it for a minute - do you really think that an aftermarket manufacturer has the same amount of engineering prowess that Subaru and Toyota do?

Wait until they do a turbo version, THEN talk to me about the aftermarket. 80-100 HP with bolt-ons and a tune is more compelling than 8-10.

^ the engine has been detuned for reliability

Aftermarket parts and tunes exploit this potential.