donack456

Test drove another RX-7 this time a $32k 2007 it was awesome but expensive!!! 6 speed, Leather package, tilting sunroof, satilite radio, 300w 6 CD stero,... While and after test driving, we talked price and they wasn't moving much. After being told that they were all pretty much the same price around $23k.

The sale person drove it off the lot and really drove it, when I took over he turned the A/C off. The car really handles and feels like you are really going fast until you look at the speedometer. Man you can push it in and out of the curves as always with the 8.

I'm 6'3 225lbs if I moved the front seat up I could fit snuggly in the back seats, but only a small person could sit up front. My head was touching the ceiling in either seat, you sit rarher high in them. I usually hadn't notice but he bought out that a spare tire doesn't come with it but its an option. I remember seeing it some used 2004s and 05s the tire was mounted above the trunk.

The trunk looked useable and the dash is set up nice, the ride was comfortable to the point that I didn't notice it. I am still amazed at how small the rotary engine is, it is amazing that it can propell the car as fast as it can. I'm wondering why they still use the plastic sheild cover doesn't that hold in heat?

My delimea is they had a $23k RX-8 2007 but it was cloth in both 6 spd or auto, they had more autos then 6 spds all were in the same range price range. I could afford $23k but wanted the $32k Rx-8, champange taste beer budget S.O.M. life.
They wouldn't move on the price much so that was a no deal.

I bragged on the Mx-5 and stated that its probably Mazda's best seller. He stated no, that the Mazda 3 was the best selling vehicle they offer and that the Mazda 3 has a suspension and transmission similar to the RX-8 or Mx5, its a fun car to drive with the room that would fix my size better. Its price range was $15k - $25k so its a totally different price bracket. Its not a bad looking little car with gas prices, its a consideration, 33mpg!! ??

My final conclusion is the same that RX-8 is a catch all car thats has a real slick design. In the 2007 I don't see any major differences then in the 2005, power wise or amenities. Its just like the 2005 - 2007 Mustang no real noticeable difference but its better then its predecessors, small problems worked out, I guess why mess with success.

For $23k dollars its a steal but for $30k - $32k I'd Opt for the Bmw 325 or 330ci, which is a compliment to be in that same class as a Option. I'm still torn is the RX-8 a sport car? Its look like a Sports car but drives like a sls say a Bmw 325, but not as fast. Is it a sedan or a coupe? That clucht/shifter combo is pretty close to perfect as always.

You guys got me thinking $32k is too much for a 2007 8, what was that a Grand touring, you think I didn't ask, I didn't want him to think I couldn't afford it ;-).

rglbegl

Mine was $19,999 brand new. And if leather is the clencher . . . . add it for about $1000.
I couldn't seem to find a bmw for that price.

nycgps

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the sales person is shitting you.

tell them 27K or no deal.

donack456

This was a 2007 I doubt if you bought a brand new Rx-8 for $19k unless it was a program car or a demo.

I threw-out $26,5-$27k-$28k he kept saying thats he can't eat $4k the lowest he could go was $30k, he showed two cars in the sell lane that sold for $30 something. Now I could buy the base for $23-$24k but it just didn't jump out at me like the Car I test drove and liked. And compared it to of course the Nissan 350z you can't touch a low mileage 2006 for $30k or 2007 350z Tourer for under $33k.

He wouldn't go no less then $30,500.

loco-8

Agree. That's too much. Go to another dealer, ask them to request a similar car--playing off the other dealer. Can get to 29-30K easy that way.

delhi

Mazda no longer produce that many 07 rx-8 anymore. So prices may stay afloat higher and longer.
If ultimate driving involvement is not what you need, a 3-er is nice and practical too. You may find some remaining 06 as a lower price tho.

TimzSI

I bought my 2007 Phantom Blue for 24.4 OTD. Six speed, cloth, sports package, spare tire option. Its the perfect drivers car; room for a helmet (I'm also around 6'3 225), but no stupid power seats (I HATE power seats) no slow 6-disc changer (I HATE six disc changers for that reason ) and the lightest weight, for the most part. I don't have heated seats (no big loss, but I would like it) and I LOVE the sand interior, but the GT just seemed to little for the money, you're right. Oh, I added the auto-dimming mirror for 70 bucks.


By the cheaper one, and save some of that loot for snow tires and wheels.

cleoent

you can do much better then msrp. If they aren't dealing they obviously think you're a sucker.

map

I love the cloth seats. I saw enough crappy beat up leather on used 04s when I was looking that I didn't want it anymore

donack456

[QUOTE=cleoent;1937451]you can do much better then msrp. If they aren't dealing they obviously think you're a sucker.[/QUOTE

Or have sold to two other suckers for $30k that just had to have a RX-8, thinking there might be another fool around here somewhere. Not Me.

I mean he did show me two that sold for $30k on them, parked in the sold lane. Of course there were 6 M3s and 4 Mx-5s in those same lane sold. Mazda is selling some cars but just not a lot of Rx-8s. This lot had about 9 on the lot, not counting the ones that were sold making 11. The two sold were 6 spds. Of the 9 for sale, 6 were autos at different trim levels.

I think you maybe right and the fact its summer Sports Cars season and they think its a sellers market, with all the good writes up.

The base without the spoiler, 18" wheel, sunroof and stuff just don't call out to me, Now the GT was yelling at Me, they just didn't budge off the $30,500. And no factory RX-8 can yell that loud.

mysql101

i paid 32k for a gt with navi.

I don't think 32k is too much for this car.

the only reason people were getting really good deals for a while was due to the fact that mazda overestimated demand, then offloaded the older stock at 6-8k discounts.

mazda no longer needs to do that since their supply is properly adjusted.

for what you get in this car, you'd be paying other companies at least 45k. it's a steal.

forget bmw, i wouldn't trade mine for my friend's M3 even if he added cash to the table. (assuming I had to keep the car, and couldn't just sell it and pocket the profit

23109VC

[QUOTE=donack456;1937560]He showed you that two sold for $30k? what did he show you? some piece of paper or document? I could type one up in 10 seconds that says it sold for $40k...

the dealers routinely have bogus "documents" they show you to try and imply what the car cost them, what they paid for it, what another one sold for, etc to just sucker you into not negotiating below a certain price. once they con you into thinking another one sold for $30k, then you think that's a fair price, after all, someone else paid that much...

when in reality, those cars may have sold for a LOT less, or maybe never sold at all. car dealers CAN, DO, and WILL - LIE LIE LIE to you to make a buck. that's what they do. sorry.

when i bought my last car, I was at dealer A. I told him I was a serious buyer, and was price motivated. I wanted to know what he coudl do for me. he gave me a price. i told him I had read Edmunds.com and had recently seen reports of dealers ofering a pric elower and told him the exact price. he said "no way, impossible, I can't do that, the manager will not let me..etc etc etc". i told him i read it online, form anothe rperson posting an actual deal that was done - this was a 2007 MDX... and it was a recent sale from a nearby dealer. he acted like the post was a lie, and i was mistaken and in no uncertain terms told me he would NEVER sell the car that cheap. i told hi8m i'd get back to him.

i spent the next few days calling ALL the local dealers, getting quotes, and found one or two that were MORE than willing to give me that price. delaer A calls me back WHILE I am doing paperwork on my MDX at dealer B. I told him the deal I was quoted, and he tells me he can match it. Nice try...

when I bought the car PREVIOUS to that one... i was buying used. it was one year old, super low miles. i was there really to look, not to buy. I knew I was going to buy but was leaning toward a new one, not a low miloeage used...the window sticker was like $38k or seomthing. i looked at it, did a test drive, and got that "what will it take to sell it to you today" line. I said sell it to me for $30k. the guy said lets talk to the mgr.. etc etc. the dealer told me no way...look at this document he has in his hand..see it shows what we paid for it..we paid $34,500. so obviously we can't sell it to you for $30k. i said fine, i'm leaving. i'm not here to buy it...i told your salesguy that..and he asked what it would take, and I told him. and i'm not budging. sell it to me for $30k or i'm leaving. bye. i walked out. they chasedme down in the aprking lot and said they would sell it for $32k. i told the guy politely...that iw as not interested. that i was not negotiating and i gave them my "what it would take to sell it to me now" price and that was it. i contineud leaving. i overheard salesguy #1 and #2 bickering about do it don't do it...whatever. they got me as I was getting into my car and said "ok". then as I'm doing the paperkwr the idiots asked me if i woudl agree to pay an extra $500 so the "salesguy could get his commision" i told them no.

bottom line...they had some "paper" that said they paid almost $35k for the car. which was OBVIOUS bs since they reluctactly sold it to me for $30k....

you need to convince them of these things to get a deal:

1) you are for real. you have money. you are going to buy the car NOW
2) you know what a good price is and have done your homework
3) you will WALK

if they think you don't know the car, pricing, etc.they will hose you
if they think you aren't serious about buyign they will blow you off or quote you BS numbers
if they think you are emotional about the decision and will not use your head and get "excited" after the test drive and you will buy out of excitement/emotion/desire for the car, they will jack up the price.

when i bought my last car, the MDX, i went to the dealer an dtest drove. expressed to them that I was for real.
then i told them i was going home to think about it. then left.

then i did all my calling, negotiating, pricing, etc via home/phone/fax. i wanted offers faxed to me, with all the terms laid out. anyone who would not do that and gave me the "come down and we will talk" line I told them no. some would not fax offers, some would. i made it clear that I was buying the car THAT weekend, told them I had already test drove the car and knew i wanted it. told them I was calling various dealers to ge the best price and whoever gave me teh best price got my business. several were very willing to fax me offers and make very candid offers. some of the dealers who originally said they could not do a certain deal, said they could when i called back with what the othe rdealer offered me. i spent a morning on the phone playing them off each other. then got a great deal and bought my car.

if you jsut walk in, test drive it, act like you love the car, they will BS you, hose you, rip you off.

do your homework, know what is a fair price, negotiate over the PHONE. if you aren't there they have so much less leverage on you.

good luck.

mysql101

^ Great post.

The one thing you hit on the head is the dealers wanting to insist you visit the dealership. Once they have you in the dealership, you have an investment in having spent time to reach the dealership. They then use that to their advantage. That's why I just shopped around on the internet, and did basically what you did, but via email. Some dealerships don't bother responding, but the ones who do, and give the price you want without lame games - those are keepers.

Rems31

[QUOTE=23109VC;1937620]haha this is exactly what I did.
1. At first it seemed like he was just going through the motions then he asked how much I was thinking of putting down. When I said about 9K he took me seriously.
2. I went to several dealers to get their prices and basically just went lower and lower with each dealer that I went to.
3. I fought for $10/mth on my payments. The guy was like "you'd walk away for $10 a month?!" I said yea and asked him "are you willing to lose a sale for $10 a month?" haha

Detrich

i've yet to see an actual, new 2007 bmw 3 series that's true price is $30k~$32k... realistically, u'r looking more at over $35k before tax & license, because almost no dealers order base models- since most bmw owners want at least some options on their cars.

that said. the rx-8 is a 4-door coupe. and, it's also about 400 lbs lighter than the 3-series. the 3 has more torque, but the lighter weight of the 8 evens out the difference somewhat.

nycgps

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[QUOTE=donack456;1937560]Like the others said, you have to show them u will walk.

You have to be STRONG, at least when you're shopping for a car.

I did mine for 28 K, I could've gotten it for lower, but its Shinka so I was like ahh forget it. its ok anyway.

27 K , Deal, or tell them to leave the car on the lot for "god knows how long"

GrRx8MaZdA

The high power rx8 in Greece cost me-4years back-around 53000usd!!!Yeah no kidding...Leather inside,bose with 9 speakers-18" rims-sunroof-lip spoiler...

We already have 4 rx8 models here.Cosmo-Challenge-Revolution-Renesis..One high power and 3 with the small engine and different equipment...

Design1stCode2nd

Very simple. Go to KBB.com and select the appropriate make, model, trim and options. Look at the invoice price including destination and write this down. Then go to Edmunds.com and check on current incentives for 2007 RX8’s and if there are any cash or advertising help deduct that from the invoice price. You should have no problem getting your car for that price. I got a 34k 06 in August of 06 for 29k There was a $1,500 cash incentive if I remember correctly at the time).

RX26b

It'd be funny if there's a full-timer at every dealership whose sole purpose was printing out fake invoices. As if the fictitious ones easily obtained by any consumer using a computer aren't false enough.

The_Bark

I have an '06 GT, paid about $30K before taxes. I had a little left over on payments on trade-in, and we negotiated splitting that in half in addition to the $30K. The sticker price on the car was less than a hundred under $32K. I bought it within a month of the '06 model coming out. Realize that the GT model is approx. $5K more than the sport, and to me, based on what extra I got with it, it was well worth it (Bose AudioPilot, heated leather seats, sunroof, HID's, spoiler, keyless entry/ignition, 18" rims, among other things).

kersh4w

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23109vc, its quite possible they sold the mdx to you at a loss. when i was shopping around for a car i looked an 06 chrysler crossfire base model. new. msrp was 27k. the dealership purchased it for 24k (i checked online), but they were willing to sell it to me for 21k if i walked off the lot with it that day. at a loss of a few grand. granted, the truck with the 07 models had pulled in and began to offload the new 07s as we talked. but still, dealerships will sell models at a loss if they think they cant sell them anymore.

donack, $32k is not too much money for this car. this a great car. i completely schooled a new bmw 335i (granted this was in the newbie class, and i definitely led the newbie class) in a recent track day. it simply could not keep up with me in the turns. straights yes, but overall no. since it was a technical course. this car is far more sporty than a bmw 3 series. i took a bmw 325i around a course once, and the only thing that really stood out was its impressive lack of oomph. you stood on the gas and it felt like nothing. no amazing ***** to the wall acceleration. no back against the seat. just a leisurely cruise to get groceries. bmws, while very refined, just arent as exciting as the rx8.

btw, according to top gear. the rx8 is just as fast a nissan 350z and a bmw m3. so yeah, its faster than all other 3 series models. http://youtube.com/watch?v=6ipFencmrdA lets see you buy a new 07 bmw m3 for $32k. but.. you can do better than $32k.

also, i assume you want it new. because used you can do much better. i bought my 05 rx8 gt, 2 tone red-black interior, appearance package, rear spoiler, and spare tire kit. 19.5k miles for 20 grand.

Nick R

I got myself a 06 Shinka for $26,500 OTD. It was February in Wisconsin, it was last years model, they were running auto show rebates and I was going to walk if they wouldn't give me the 34K car for that price cause I didn't need it (already had 2 cars).

ivory8

yep thats BS, i just got mine brand new for 26k w/o tax

Galen Darkmoon

Bought our 07 before the rebates came out last Dec. MSRP was 36,500 we paid dealer invoice of 33,500k. Didn't really matter to us on the price, we were buying new with every option we wanted, so it's all a matter of what ya want.
Could have got a top mustang or corvette, but both of those cars are a dime a dozen on the road. We'll take the 8.

VikingDJ

Exactly, you bought a leftover car that was technically 1 year old the moment you drove it off the lot, therefore it can't even sell for even $1500 below invoice anymore., because the market value of the car you bought was lower then even that by the time you bought yours. If you tried buying that car in June of 2006, you weren't gonna get it for $26500. The car lost value from the time it came out to the time you bought it, even though it wasn't purchased yet, which is why leftovers are so much cheaper. They have to be. RX8s have very high depresiation, therefore when the models get old, dealerships have no choice but to sell them for fair market value, which in your case was $26500.

This is why it's important people DO NOT compare their RX8 purchases to this potential buyer unless they bought them during PRIME when their current MY was the only one available. The leftover purchase with rebates doesn't count. You bought a depreciated car that was already technically used in the market place, so it's a totally different car sale.

There is no longer massive overstock of RX8s, therefore you won't be seeing those insane rebates and discounts anymore I don't think if you waited for a leftover. For 2007, production is very limited compared to past years (2004 being by far the most year produced RX8). Check the price to see if it's near or below invoice. I woulnd't pay more then $500 below invoice for the 07 right now. As time passes the 07's value will drop, just as it does when the car is owned, so slowly the prices will go down.