shaolin

EVERYONE says "oh but the track was wet when the bmw ran." Well, browsing Top Gear's website here: http://topgear.breedbandportal.kpn.com/Library.aspx#
watch the M3 vs S4 vid, and you'll see that the track was perfectly dry.

So why is it that everyone (mostly on other car forums) hate to give the RX-8 credit when it's due? It's like the RX-8 is Rocky Balboa...wins alot of fights, but everyone still thinks they can beat its ***.

shaolin

It's everywhere though that I've read "oh but the BMW ran when the track was wet." I've read it on Honda forums, Nissan forums, even some Mazda forums. I just don't get it. It's like people will make up **** to put a car down.

Iwannarex8

people have to justify their purchases, even if it means lying to others and themselves..........to top it off there are herds of these sorts of people who band together almost like a cult to pat eachother on the back for whatever little positive they can scrouge from anything,thats then exagerated into a winning formula that outshines anything you may have to say about your purchase

needless to say the BMW is a awsome car but if it got beat then it got beat theres no way to sugar coat it, its not our fault they were using the wrong tires for the track, they should have taken into account some moisture :D

rx8wannahave

I saw the video and it was so fun to watch, I wish they had more!!!

You know I don't get it either?

The RX8 is sexy and good looking...they say so, it's strange looking really...
The RX8 seats 4 with comfort...they say, I don't need no back seats (while we know they wish they had some)
The RX8 is very fun to drive...they say, the only fun driving is going dragging
The RX8 has very good quality...they focus on the few problem cars instead of the overall
The RX8 is a great track car...they claim that HP wins all races

I think someome people also hate because they expected 250HP but we got 238 instead, which some people even claim is not true either. Also, people like torque and the RX8 lacks it. So, to conclude...they focus on the 2-3 issues with the RX8 while the 15-20 great things go disrespected.

All it takes is time spent behind steering wheel of the RX8 and it stands up for itself, it's a HELL OF A SPORTS CAR!!!

shaolin

Haha, I get what you're saying but I think you're missing the point. There WASN'T any moisture on the track.

And not to take anything from an M3, I'd drive one over an RX-8...well maybe...haha, but the fact of the matter is, they are equally fast around that particular track.

TODreamer

like i said else where... I'm not sure if its the HP thing.. isnt an S2k at 240hp? but people love to love it

Ike

No the track was not wet, however, most of the time the M3 is going to beat the RX-8 around the track. On Topgear they take dirty laps (even the best drivers make mistakes) and they test on different days in different conditions. I can almost guarantee you that 9 times out of 10 the M3 is faster around any track, but in this instance on this one lap it was not. I'm not taking anything away from the RX-8, just giving the M3 credit where it deserves it. The M3 is a step above. But the RX-8 does also deserve credit for turning the same laptime even if the driver of the M3 didn't do it justice on the one lap they timed it.

Feras

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i expect the rx8 to match the 350Z around the track, which it did, but i expect an M3 to flirt with 911 numbers which it didnt.

PUR NRG

Couldn't you say the exact same thing about RX-8 owners? Personally I think comparisons like this are fun but ultimately trivial once you purchase a car. Regardless of what you buy there will be other cars that do better and some that do worse. Enjoy your car for what it is. If you derive satisfaction from "besting" other cars or dissapointment when it doesn't, you'll never be happy.

I think a great example of this is the Honda Odyssey Touring. It's a great minivan with really nice luxury, technical and performance capabilities. I enjoy it for what it is, but it's still a minivan. Even though it has more raw HP and torque than the RX-8 I have no confusion about which is the performance vehicle. Although come to think of it, "my minivan has more horsepower than your RX-8" sounds pretty funny. :p
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PUR NRG

People (myself included) love the S2K because it delivers exactly what was promised and delivers it well. No restated HP numbers there. I also think part of the appeal is the S2K is more a more focused car so either you like its abilities or you don't. The RX-8's four doors and four seats muddy the issue and appeal to a wider audience. Since it makes some compromises, there are more things the people it appeals to will be unhappy with.
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SlowLude

It's a real shame that the RX-8 gets bashed a lot. Just do a search on every forum... and every response will be that the RX-8 is slow. And of course, the BM video where the 8 gets killed will always get brought up time and time again. I think partly the reason is because we don't have a chance to defend ourselves. Since there are no race/kill stories allowed in this forum, which is the largest RX-8 forum, it makes it much harder to prove ourselves! I applaud RX-TX for sticking up for the RX-8 time and time again on the RSX site! Good job!

XDEEDUBBX

i love m3's and give them a lot of respect...my cousin has one and i'll drive it once in a while.. The car pulls harder than the 8 but feels really heavy...but i still love the 8 so much more just for it's weirdness, and plus I get more looks in the 8... =)

dmp

the 04 Mustang Cobra beat the RX8 AND G35 (or was it a 350z?) around a road course in one mag I have - beat it by a LOT...yet the RX8 'won' the comparo because it was just a 'better' car to the author.


Point is - Track times mean dick when you aren't getting a paycheck for winning. For most of us, it's of NO consequence whether our car is 1st fastest, or 14th fastest around a particular track. Any bragging generally comes from people insecure about their purchase.

Slims8

Bottom line, It is now stupidity. Ignorance is not knowing any better, stupidity is knowing better, but still choosing to not believe it. Dear god don't get Abbid going again! I've seen him go off a time or two.

I have had as much or more problems with my car than anyone on this forum. I have been without my car for 135 days of the 250 I've owned it... but still... I would not trade it for any other car on the marked. I could care less about a 1/4 run. It's all about looks, comfort, how it rides, power, rotary sound, short shifting 6 speed MT, the beautiful color, the way she slides around a curve and doesn't bark a tire... I could go on, but you guys already know. You are proud owners too!

TODreamer

so they call it slow becuase it has 4 seats and the s2k is supposed to be fast because it doesn't? (yeah its a bit faster and handles a bit better but the differeince is very small... nowhere near close enough to make the difference between "fast" and "slow")

I'm not arguing with you or your point, I'm sure thats probably why... it just doesnt make sense.

Ike

I'd say in the speed department the difference isn't all that small, S2Ks can run high 13s stock and trap 100mph, the RX-8 on a similarly good run is 14.5 at best with 94ish mph trap. That's a pretty big difference whether you realize it or not. I think he was trying to make the point that the S2K makes the hp is is supposed to, it's not overrated like the RX-8.

Gord96BRG

More BS and excuses! :p Ike, do you ever watch Top Gear? (It's available on cable here in Canada, BBC World channel) They have a professional race driver ("The Stig" - 2 years ago, was Perry McCarthy, the Black Stig. The identity of the current White Stig is kept secret for now) who runs all their timed laps. More importantly - they do NOT just time one lap. The Stig makes a whole series of runs to generate the best time possible on that particular test day. They SHOW one lap (or parts of different laps spliced together), and love to show the big, lurid slides, but The Stig knows how to turn fast laps and it's the best of those fast laps that is reported.

Regards,
Gordon

shaolin

The whole point I was trying to make in starting this thread is that everytime the RX-8 does well in something there are people out there with some kind of hatred for it that they make things up and try to talk the car down. That's all. Not trying to talk up the 8 or talk down the M3, but no matter how well it does, people continue to talk ****, but worse yet, they don't make any sense when they do it or they make things up.

TODreamer

I've yet to see an S2k drop below 14.... and even if its a bit faster... that dont come for free... you gotta pay for that. Up here in Canada that difference is costing you 10Gs.

not taking away from the S2K... I just dont get why all the hate (not from you)

dmp

I've seen 5 or 10 S2k's at the drag strip - they were the 2L models...none broke 14.00. None trapped more than mid-high 90s, either.

I'd bet I could coax a 13.999 out of an RX8 if I were so motivated. In fact, maybe I'll try to do just that this season. If a Probe GT with i/h/e/slicks can run 13.6s, the RX8 should get there if likewise beaten.

shaolin

Have fun buying a new clutch and maybe even driveshaft after you flog it to break 14 seconds...

shazam

I really think it's great that guys that own other cars post here. But, new rule. Guys that own other cars and need to finance wheels don't get to post here. If you need to finance a few thousand dollar purchase, you just won't ever understand the RX8. Ity's a comprimise for adults. If you are financing wheels like Ike, you are either a kid, or a dumb adult.

shaolin

WTF are you talking about? Financing cars?

Well sorry I didn't have 27 large to just pay for a car. That all went into my house which gains equity by the way...not lose it like a car.

shazam

No, Im talking about financing wheels. The four things bolted to your car. I remember a thread about him wanting to finance some and I just laughed and can't take anything he posts seriously anymore.

I don't finance my cars, but I understand doing it for a car. But, come on, if you are financing bling, you probably won't want an RX-8 or get it.