I'm glad we have an understanding. :p I'm done. If I really cared I'd keep arguing, but alas I don't. Go and drive your friend's Zs harder, right on the ragged edge when it feels like it's going to get away from you. That "poor handling" is what reviewers are complaining about because they are shitting their pants thinking it's going to lose it. The fact of the matter is that the harder you drive it the better it gets. Nissan f**ked up in trying to make this car acceptable to the small minority of p*ssies that "think" they wanted a sports car. They screwed the rest of us as the Z should be a bit harder car than it is suspension-wise.

Just for the record, and so that you f**kers understand I don't hate the 8. If the Z wasn't available I'd have an 8 on order right now. I don't care how much HP the STi or EVO puts down.

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I've never even typed the word "Supra" in a single message here. Slolam and especially skid results are heavily dependent on tires. Taking numbers of the Z with the stock RE040s, the same shit tires the 8's getting is ludicrous. A tire change in the Z yields a .98 skid as evidenced by SCC mag.

Tell me about that light-weight RX-8. 3000+ lbs., right? Lighter than the S2K, right? Right...

So much for leaving out the rhetoric. . .

Yep, those car reviewers don't know a damn thing! They don't have any track time, drive other performance cars, or even go to driving school every few months! THEY SUCK!

By the way, don't let the door hit ya on the way out...

Actually the weight is still TBA (To Be Announced). We the RX-8 fans are hoping for 2900lbs. Maybe we will get it, maybe not. Still not bad for 4 doors and 4 seats. :D

He started it? :)

No doubt that Herc's name suits him. :D

Hey, douche. Do those "reviewers" own the car and drive it on a daily basis? Have they put 9000 miles on one? Do you honestly think that a rag writer who spends half a day with the Z actually knows the car better than me?

Matter of fact, yea I do.

These guys know how a sports car SHOULD handle. They take driving clinics constantly (it's a part of their job), have lots of track time, and drive lots of different cars than you.

The fact that you have learned how to push your car farther than they have is irrelevant. If it's not set up to do it out of the box as most sports cars are, then it doesn't matter. Reviewers by the way, put an average of 1000 miles on a car before giving it back, unless specifically told not to (ala Ferrari, McLarens, etc). If they don't figure out how to push the car to its limits by 1000 miles of useage, then let's face it.. the car can't do it to begin with.

So I'll call you on BS, and I know that *I* am not as good a driver as most of those reviewers, and neither are you. There are so many reviewers (more from the UK though) that have PROFESSIONAL DRIVING CAREERS (ala Tiff Needel et al), and they've said the same thing that the US reporters have about the 350Z.

When I get the car I'll be happy to compliment it on its strongpoints and be vocal about its low points. However I don't know either right now, and what I get is from magazine articles. And if they say it's good as latest articles have said "giant killer" amongst other nice things.. I'll take their word for it. Just like I took their word for the 350Z being an understeering maniac which I later found out on my own anyway.

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I hope droidekaus saved a few of his "****" words -- he may need them the first time he runs into an 8 at the track.:p

The Z is a good car -- rented one for a week last November, but it certainly didn't make me forget my old RX-7 -- reminded of driving a Mustang -- not my idea of go=fun.

p.s. - Z owners must not play golf -- looking forward to putting my clubs in the trunk because they sure didn't fit in the Z!

You make some pretty bold assumptions, my friend. How is it that you know how many cars I've driven? How is it that you know I'm not a better driver than some mag writers?

You are a typical mag racer. With that in mind, why don't you pick up the latest R&T and check out the Z vs. others comparision test. Find out for yourself the position the Z came in on the track and in road tests against other indisputable "giants".

lets not let it get too heated guys

Well it was inevitable that this should happen.. :( I never understand webboard car arguments.. especially when the "argument" turns ugly and stupid.. shrug. Bottom line both cars have their postitives and negatives, one person likes the feeling of "low torque" another like revving the engine to 9K rpm.. WHO CARES!? Let's get on with our lives..

what happened? i thought you were done. I guess you really do care. If you like the Z so much why do you care what others say about it? And if it really is a great car then show 'em with your actions not words. like quicklude says, lets get on with our lives

I never doubted the Z's performance. But numbers are one thing, and driving is another. I'm not comfortable in the car, it understeers a tad much for my liking. Grip is great, no denying it, I can corner hard but it's hard to get the car 'flowing' the way I want it to. This has more to do with the weight of the car rather than the suspension setup.

I like the Z. Don't get me wrong. I just don't like it for MY PURPOSES. I like the lighter weight, more nimble car in the RX-8 even though the power may not impress, it may not make it around a track as fast.. it does have all the other features that I look for in a car and for me, that's enough.

Well, I think we're all done with this one.

The Z enthusiasts who joined to put in their opinions were civil (thank you) and avoided mindless bashing, but now it has simply degenerated into personal attacks, and just going in circles.

---jps