I've had the car 3 days and it starts in minus degree weather no problem. Also short trips when the car is still cold and no flooding. I do rev to 3000 rpm then shut it off after moving the car around in driveway. I don't see the flooding problem as an issue , if the car is driven regularly. I've never owned a car this much fun to drive. I made a great choice.

Somewhat dissatisfied...the RX-8 seems to me to be a quirky sportscar that requires a pretty strict set of rules to be followed before you can have fun. There are more than enough 'bugs' out there with this car that takes it from a real pleasure to drive to one that requires a significant amount of attention.

I am not explaining this right I know.

One of my other cars is a 1963 Corvette...when I take that out for a drive I know I need to deal with a number of quirks associated with that 40+ year-old car...normal. But to have to deal with a new set of quirks and things on a 2004 car? That takes a bunch of the fun out of an otherwise slick machine.

I am hoping that as I put more miles on the chassis these quirks will become less noticable. Right now, when I drive the car, I get really tense...I think this website has done that to me. Reading about all the problems has made me paranoid.

And yes, I see all of you staring at me...and following me...stalking! ArGh!!!!

*whimper*

Katchoo, when the 'vette takes you for a ride, those quirks you know you have to contend with were discovered by trial and error, right? So what you have read about here simply gives you the knowledge of poss. quirks of the 8 before *you* get to experiance them. Forewarned=Forearmed.

And no. That's not me stalking you from behind the bush.
I'm the one behind the rock.:D

I have a feeling this web-site has made me paranoid. Seeing all these problems being discussed...BrRRrrrrrrr.

The car isn't bad and I have had no problems with it other than what the dealership induced (poor vehicle prep). My main concern is staying within the bounds of those 'quirks' and not ending up on the wrong end of a tow truck.

I am still not happy that a 2004 car has this many quirks. I expect that from a 40-year old car but not from a new one. Maybe I am grumpy that the dealership never mentioned any of these POTENTIAL problems. 'Forwarned' would have been a good thing for my dealership to do first.

A sale is a sale I guess.

Maybe I should go back to the dealer and ask for a 'test drive' of a few more RX-8s only to turn off the engine while cold ("Changed my mind, let me try that one over there")...see how many on the dealer's lot I can flood out. :)

I need a drink so I can chill out...

Understood! I have had my 8 since July and I am just really starting to get comfortable with it. Not that the car has changed, but I have relaxed. You got to take your best shot, after that if something happens, it happens and you deal with it.

The good news is that for the vast majority of owners, the quirks are not a problem. It really is a great car.

Katchoo: "Maybe I should go back to the dealer and ask for a 'test drive' of a few more RX-8s only to turn off the engine while cold ("Changed my mind, let me try that one over there")...see how many on the dealer's lot I can flood out. "

Funny! I like that idea. Maybe you can take some friends with you. 'Uh, I'd like to see if I can figure out how to drive a M/T. How 'bout that one?"

I have 384 miles on my 04 RX8. It has been in the shop twice due to the engine light coming on because of gas mixture errors.

Once for the brakes sticking which almost killed me! I was going about 45mph and lightly pressed the brake and the next thing I know I'm heading straight toward the biggest SUV i've ever seen.
The left brake stuck and pulled the car into the oncoming lane and thank god the car does handle extremely well, I just missed hitting a brand new Ford Excurusion. Needless to say I haven't been happy with the car so far. The dealer stated that they have had many problems with the brakes as well as engine problems mainly due to the ECU software configuration.

Any additional information on either would be great!

I am pushing 1 week and 400+ miles. So far the car is very much what I expected. I had the benefit of reading this forum for three months before I bought the car. Its an amazing car to drive, and that point is reinforced everytime I drive a different car. I will likely delay voting until after it hits 1000 miles. If I were to vote now, I would give it a "Highly Satisfied".

I don't recall hearing about the serious brake problem that "rad" describes above in other posts. Are there other references to brakes skicking?

I voted Somewhat Dissatisfied.

I absolutely love the styling of the 8...it is one of the most striking vehicles on the highway but it has so many quirks that I am really starting to have regrets.

The first few weeks were fantastic but as time has gone on, I am starting to experience issues that I think I should not. I realize that this is a new model and that it should be expected that there will probably be some issues but after having owned a RSX Type-S, purchased about 3-4 months after release, when I compare my experiences between the two they are on opposite ends of the scale.

With my Acura, during two years of ownership, I had exactly 1 visit to the dealership. A check engine light came on when a sensor failed. Other than that, this brand new model performed perfectly...I did not have a single issue with performance, fit or finish. With the 8, I am working with the dealership on the mileage issue (avg. 14 around town) and I have experienced many little things, some just minor annoyances, that I don't think I should (hand break not staying down when it is cold, door rattles, very noisy blower, etc.). The mileage issue is a real sticking point for me as I feel a bit cheated. I know that the ratings are determined by the US government but I have never had a vehicle that has not come close to meeting what was on the sticker.

Before I get berated with “you should have researched more”…I did, but unfortunately it was at sites such as C&D and R&T not this site. I think if I had found this site before hand, I would probably not have purchased the car.

As for the other owners that are enjoying their vehicles…fantastic…and I truly mean that. This is strictly my experience with the vehicle against my expectations.

I really want to like this car as it has so many unique features. Unfortunately perhaps my expectations were too high based on my previous experiences. I think my wife will probably end up with the car and I will take over driving our Town & Country Minivan.

I loave my car, but the transmission will not engage 6th.
Not many Rotars here fueel is priced.

rjenk - I'm curious as to what you mean when you say "With the 8, I am working with the dealership on the mileage issue." What might the dealership be able to do about the problem? (I agree that 14 is pretty low.)

I have spoken with the dealership and I have an appointment for them to check the car out to see if they can find anything. A good friend has also been complaining to the local dealer as well (getting roughly the same MPG). I will be sure to update as to what they find/do…if anything.

I cannot help to think that there is something amiss. I have an A/T and I really baby the vehicle. Although most of my mileage is short trips in town, I still only managed to get 16MPG on a tank that was about 30% highway.

I'm curious to see what you hear from the dealer as well. I am also getting only 14 mpg with my AT. When I've brought it up, the dealer said the mpg would get better as I put more miles on it. That was when it had a couple hundred miles on it--now it has approximatey 1,300 and there's very little improvement.

I'm also one of the unlucky ones with the flooding problem--even following the instructions. I'm really hoping they get this stuff worked out--particularly the flooding issue--or I'll be one the folks trading this thing in soon. I can't have a car that I can't depend on. It's both embarrassing and a pain to explain to valet parking garage attendants (which I have at work and conferences) that my car can't be moved around or it will flood.

Sup Everyone,

Im new to the forum, I just purchased myself a new 2004 Rx8 GT package, fully loaded, and i mean fully with exhaust finishers, night lights, side sills, etc.. (Im a Sales consultant at the Dealership=)

Anyways, Im reading the posts and I see that everyones been having some issues with the Rx8

Notable the gas mileage, a statement from Mazda corporation during the incident of miscalculation of the hp (250 -> 238) claimed that the mpg figures changed as well.

Though, i also read all the C/D and R/T mags that also presented the same figures, i know they also wrote that they got a mere 18 or 19mpg during their test

I dont know if Mazda has made an official announcement about this, but since the hp issue.. mazda has made that offer with money back and option to return the car.

Perhaps, we should all together have a petition and contact Mazda about the mpg ratings, because they are way off.

Other than that, Ive had no problems with the car (knock on wood)

also, plese make sure you check your oil every gas pump or every other gas pump. car eats oil like a dog on a bone, go figure..

Anyways, good luck. nice meeting you all

Zamen

www.openroadhonda.com
Sales / Leasing Consultant

Ryans Automotive Group LLD
BMW/ACURA/MAZDA/HONDA/ISUZU

A regression analysis of the MPG issue, based on data from forum members is here:

Input data is here:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=1

The results are here:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=1

Hey everyone-
This is my first post, however I have been lurking around here since mid Sept. just a few weeks after I bought my 8.
I'll try to keep this short, and hope that I'm not too off topic here, but I really couldn't deceide where to post these thoughts.
I thought I'd start by voteing in this poll. I voted somewhat satisfied and the reason why only somewhat is basically the gas milage thing. I don't do a lot of driving, basically just a back and forth commute to work, 10 miles each way. So my milage is at 16.5 ave. It's not the money I worry about, it's the conservation of our natural reserves that bothers me.
Anyway that said I do love my car, there is only one other car on the road today I would consider (in the price range) and that's the Crossfire.
Don't remember whether it was this tread or another where some one mentions suffering from forum parinonia (sp). But I think I've got a bit of that... worry about problems that I might have.
My only other compliant.. Does anyone else have problems reading the dip stick? I've got the foamy stuff on the stick and I see that's "normal", but I can't really tell wheter I have oil or not, any tricks?
LOVE THE CAR... HATE THE MILAGE....

i am SO reading my own thoughts in this post!
the financial issue bugs me ... but the waste of natural resources causes me far more internal agony.
the only difference i can note is that my last tank of gas averaged a whopping 12.8 mpg! i've never seen above 15!!!!!!

best,
BSG

Hi all. My RX-8 is due to arrive in four weeks but after reading threads like this I'm starting to freak out a bit. Is there any evidence that the recent '04 cars are more reliable overall than the initial release ones? What about the flooding issue - any hope that it's cold climate-related? I'm about to move to a small town, and the thought of my flash new car being towed past all the locals to the nearest dealer (100km away) is enough to make my gonads clench.

I think I need to go back and read the "Little things" thread again...

I've gone past 600o miles on the clock and so far the only thing that's been bothering me is the mileage as well. However, I've been getting in avg. 16 mpg. My worst tank was 13.7 and my best was almost 21 mpg. I posted a spreadsheet with this data on this very same thread a while back.

I haven't flooded my car (crossing fingers here..) and the only 'visits' to the dealer were for:

1. 5,000 mile oil change
2. Have them fix an AC vent that was popped out of place since I took the car (and I was lazy to takle sooner) and a worn shifter knob.

There will be another visit soon (7,500 miles) for tire rotation, and to get them to fix an annoying rattle from the steering wheel cover (contacted Mazda about it, and instructed me to tell my dealer to calls MNAO for instructions)

Oil consumption hasn't been at all bad: I've gone through 2 quarts of oil with my mileage (a top the full oil change @ 5,000)

All things considered, I am alright thus far. But at the end, you are not me, so its ultimately your confidence level.

Oodlum,

We all understand your concerns. I believe the Rx8 has its good and bad. The good though, obviously aint here posting as much as the bad.. why? Because they all out driving =)

Truth is, in terms of the mileage.. I can only say this

I owned a S2k, a Supra TT 95, and a 93 Rx7 .. .all which were high maintenance and all, who ate gas like water.

My pt is, I am aware that many complain about the gas mileage, but they comparing to the figures posted by EPA. as we know, those numbers drastically changed, when it was found it was not tested by the right emissions regulation.

But lets be real, its a sports car.. dont be fooled to think you will get conservative gas. Its funny to read that some even say they care about it, if you did.. you would buy a Civic Hybrid ok ..

We all bought a sports car, cuz we enjoy the pure excitement of driving fast and crazy. There is no GAS conservation at all .

As for the constant oil checks up, this isnt nothing new. For those that are into their rides, know.. maintenance is mandatory. Yes its high, being they recommend you check every gas pump, but wuteva.. Either you want a Civic or an Rx8, its always your choice

Good luck on your purchase, and I hope you have zero problems with it !

Z

Somewhat satisfied due to the mayonaisse oil and starting issues. Get those sorted and it will be highly satisfied for me.
(Cant whinge about the fuel as it was bound to be low with the performance figures)

Mike

Thanks RX8-TX and RX8Z

The milage doesn't really concern me - I'll be well prepared for it. More the flooding issue. The panic attack has passed now. Can't wait to add my 2c to the survey when my baby arrives.

Cheers :)

Your a honda sales rep. Why are you driving a Mazda? I test drove the s2000 and Accord coupe 6sp before buying my 8. the rx8 won hands down in fun, quality, looks and everything else. Is that why your driving an rx8? I would think you could get an excellent deal on a Honda. Why did you cross over? oil consumption is a quart every 3500mi according to my dealer. I'll check it often until I know just what milage I need to add. It's not a problem for me.

I get deals on everything my friend.. Im driving an Rx8 because I just wanted something different, and as you stated.. it is by far, one of the most fun cars ive ever driven

But yeah, you already knew that =)

I used to have a 2002 S2k , it was a great car but wasnt for me.. I felt like i was bigger than the car, and nothing against s2k owners.. but i just feel roadsters are for girls cuz of the size =) .. btw, my gf drove the s2k more than i did . I just like to take it out and race some rice rockets occasionally

I got alot of s2k's in the lot, let me know if you want a deal =)

Take care

Z

...or a Prius, like my wife. Wait, my wife's not like a Prius, I meant, buy a hybrid like...oh, nevermind!

You can complain all you want about the gas mileage, but don't say you're concerned about the "conservation of our natural reserves" and then go out and buy a sports car.

It reminds of the people that think because they recycle soda cans.. they are saving the planet and doing a good deed meanwhile they bought an SUV that pretty much gets 4 mpg...

You know what I tell my customers all the time, jokingly of course.. when they say, how can I save on gas?

I say.. very firmly to them..

You "WALK"...

=)

Alot of eyeball and great fun for very little $. A winner by any measure.

Highly Satisfied

Well going on 2k mi, and the gas for me has been good, on par with what i expected. Usually low 20's overall, and no i don't shift at 3k rpms. But most of my miles are highway miles, but i drive some in the city also. There are a few notes for those of you who do want better milage. First of all shift at 3k rpms and the mileage should b good. But that is no fun, real useful tips are fill up at half a tank. U get better milage the 1st half of a tank, plus i always get nervous when my fuel gets below a quarter of a tank. Second, buy your gas when it is COLD. Don't tend 2 stop at 1pm, stop after dark or early morning. Because the colder weather the gas is more dense, so there is really more gas in a gallon if that makes sense.

I have not flooded yet, extremely fun to drive, and can seat 4 adults. I am 6'2 (i am long legged though) and i can fit in the back seat, w/ the moonroof! However i doubt i would like 2 spend more than 2hrs in a row back there. I didn't know about the flooding at time of purchase, but the salesman who was clueless at least told me "the rotary is an exotic engine, and you need to rev it to 3k rpms for a minute if u have driven it less than 5min." So i guess that counts, neways i never drive it less than 5min so that doesn't matter. And also i let it warm up a little b4 heading out cause i heard that letting the engine circulate a little more in the engine b4 u get going prolongs life.

How i got the car:
If this car did not have the backseat, period. I would have gotten an accord or rsx-s, g35, or TL instead. I decided 2 take a test drive based on what magazines had reported on it, plus i am a fan of innovation and uniqueness. I absolutely loved the car. I went for another test drive and i took it by my wife's office (she owns a small business). I told her jokingly that i had bought it for her as a christmas present, while it was a week or so b4 Christmas. My wife and I play a lot of jokes on eachother. We both don't really think that secretly spending $30k w/out the spouse knowing and having input is a good thing, no matter what happens on the commercials. She really liked the way the car looked and she decided to go for a test drive and she loved it also. She took another one and loved it even more. We both loved the car and decided on buying it to replace our 97 Honda CRV w/ over 200kmi on it.

I am however not totally satisfied w/ the rx8, there will have 2 b 2 conditions for that level of satisfaction to be achived. One is installing Canzoomers ECU mod, which is on its way to my house :). The second condition is the engine must make it over 100k mi. I know rotaries have a bad reputation, but i seem 2 remember that NA rotaries were very reliable. Reliability only began to fade when twin turbos were slapped on and a large amount of boost put in.

Well that post (i think it is more of a book myself) is finished and i hope all of u r sufficiently bored by now :-p .

i love it, i love it, i love it! and im the only one around who has one! ok, so i saw one in my area, wasnt as s-w-e-e-t as mine!!
(new orleans, la)

Monique, THATs the attitude to have! Hope you feel that way many years to come!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rotarian_SC
[B]Highly Satisfied

I know rotaries have a bad reputation, but i seem 2 remember that NA rotaries were very reliable. Reliability only began to fade when twin turbos were slapped on and a large amount of boost put in.


I had a 1982 rx7, never gave me any problem I traded it after 4 years and 45k mi. Several years later I bought a used 1986 rx7 SE . It had 75k on it and ran like a clock. It got stolen a year later. If you look on e-bay you'll see lots of older rx 7's with high mileage. Non- turbo Rotories are known for they're longevity, performance and dependability. The rx8 is a solid design and should last for many years. No regrets here. I know what I got. I got the best.

Good and Not Good
 

The not so good:

#1... Gas Mileage - 18mpg highway WTF??
#2... Suspension- already loose after only 2000 miles
#3... City Driving- not very good on potholes
#4... $4000 for... FAKE LEATHER!!! WTFx100!?!? Shame on Mazda!
#5... Sunroof not active on first auxillary ignition position, always turning off ignition then reaching for the sunroof and it's dead...
#6... Bridgestone Tires, that's plain hitting below the belt.. ouch

The good:

#1... Highway driving- practically untouchable
#2... Drop Dead Good Looks
#3... Excellent upper RPM acceleration
#4... Amazing handling
#5... Drop Dead Good Looks
#6... Drop Dead Good Looks


Sorry if it sounds too negative, just call 'em like I see 'em. Somewhat satisfied, they could have put a bit more quality in there for the price, like the 3000GT/Stealth

Re: Good and Not Good
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cvan707
[B]The not so good:

#1... Gas Mileage - 18mpg highway WTF??
#2... Suspension- already loose after only 2000 miles
#3... City Driving- not very good on potholes
#4... $4000 for... FAKE LEATHER!!! WTFx100!?!? Shame on Mazda!
#5... Sunroof not active on first auxillary ignition position, always turning off ignition then reaching for the sunroof and it's dead...
#6... Bridgestone Tires, that's plain hitting below the belt.. ouch

The good:

#1... Highway driving- practically untouchable
#2... Drop Dead Good Looks
#3... Excellent upper RPM acceleration
#4... Amazing handling
#5... Drop Dead Good Looks
#6... Drop Dead Good Looks

-The car will run fine on 87 octane negating your fuel cost for poor mileage.
-2300 mi and my suspension is just fine
-what car is on potholes? drive around them
-Sunroof who cares? Turn the car ignition back on or close it before you turn ignition off.
I don't know what your talking about concerning the leather and The tires are excellent.

Are you a real owner or just here to flame the car?

Cvan wrote..

The not so good:

#1... Gas Mileage - 18mpg highway WTF??

-Use lower octane, try doing a search and you'll find out that the Rx8 doenst need prem fuel.

#2... Suspension- already loose after only 2000 miles
-Maybe its just your perception, you realize that body and parts do settle in and flex, but then again after reading #3 .. it makes sense why your suspension is loose

#3... City Driving- not very good on potholes
-DONT DRIVE ON POTHOLES !! COME ON BE REALISTIC , THATS WHAT HUMMERS ARE FOR !

#4... $4000 for... FAKE LEATHER!!! WTFx100!?!? Shame on Mazda!
-????? Ok there, I guess the 3000gt/Stealth had premium goat skin..

#5... Sunroof not active on first auxillary ignition position, always turning off ignition then reaching for the sunroof and it's dead...
-A Minor inconvenience that almost every car has...

#6... Bridgestone Tires, that's plain hitting below the belt.. ouch
-Sorry this isnt a Ford Explorer, and if im not mistaken.. Bridgestone makes one of the best tires in the world and most used on sports/super cars.. Potenzas S0-3/S0-2's . If you never used them, try them out then come back and talk trash.

and to top it off, 3000gt and Stealth QUALITY ??? My god... I aint even going to go there..

Roaddemon and RX8Z,

As a "somewhat satisfied" person myself, regardless of whether you agree with CVAN or not, he still has the right to say he is "somewhat satisfied" and to list his reasons.

Understandable, and everyone has a right to voice their opinion which I only did as well.

I am merely stating back to him that his reasonings are not justified at all, and I find this negatives quite unreasonable except for the gas, that I can see as an issue.

Again, just an opinion so dont take it personal but being this is an Rx8 Community, did you honestly think he would be able to walk through insulting our beloved cars without getting feedback?? =)

RX8Z,

Check out the first post in this thread. The idea is to get people's opinions about their cars, not argue with them about what they think.

If you want to do that, PM CVAN or start another thread.

Kind of like what youre doing with me now right, perhaps you couldve Pm me but of course , youre not arguing with me, your just telling me to do something I shouldnt do, that you're doing right now

Listen, this is a forum and this thread is open to all discussions about the Rx8 whether positive or negative. As an RX8 owner, I am allowed to debate and argue about someones opinion, especially when we all know there is no substance to it. Perhaps, we are all getting worked up about this whole issue, but lets just say I hate to see a new guy come in and say, omg Rx8 is a crappy car, fake leather and Oh no Bridgestone tires ! But you know what , Im sorry, I just had to say something.. cuz you know, I just love my Rx8

Z

Sure he does, so do I. I can certainly disagree if I think his comments are off the deep end. IMHO I think it is a flame. Some of his comments don't make any sense to me. Again just my opinion. If he's real then I hope I've enlightened him

neutral. I love driving the car, it's like no other. I really didn't like being stranded 30 miles from home out in BFE the second day that I owned it. Now my check engine light is on. I REALLY can't express how much I love driving this car, but I'm sick of the rental Mazda 6.

I don't think he's here to flame, or he would have probably said he was dissatisfied. I think he may just be somewhat naive on his "not so goods" expectations.

Now, we're all entitled to our opinions. If you feel the RX-8 is flawless and superior in every aspect then it's your opinion and I respect it. Just turn your head when you see a Turbo Carrera or dare I even say Corvette, and you'll be ok. I think some of you guys might be confused, I did give it a somewhat satisfied review. It's a blast on the highway and handles like a go cart. If you drop $31,000 you kinda want decent leather, that's all. Not looking for enemies, you asked for some honesty and you got it... Enlightenment not neccessary...

Sorry cvan707, but I have to say it: Corvettes must be highly dedicated driving machines, but....their interior is far from acceptable for a $40K+ anything. My first time getting into one and I was VERY dissapointed of the "American Legend" Corvette (a C5 btw) - But in any case as you said, everyone is entitled to its opinion.

Let's keep it going!

It is funny that you comment on a corvette because their interior's are horrible and the parking brake is bascially nonfunctional. It also doesn't have a back seat. The 911 Turbo's are nice also, but my rotary will probably outlast the turbo motor, and the 911 doesn't have a functional backseat, and it is only almost 3 times the price of an rx8. But that is just IMO also.

Again I'm in agreement we are entitled to our opinion. Your comments were so frivolous (tires, leather,suspension) that it reinforces what I already know. It's hard to find flaws with the 8. No manufacturer can please everyone 100% of the time.
I don't think you somewhat satisfied guys realize what a great car this is. Time will tell. I somewhat notice the vette and porsch But I don't desire them like I do the BMW Z4,S2000,crossfire, and z 350 and rx8. These cars turn my head and interest me much more. So there you see we have our opinions but do not agree. I'm driving a $30k car that easily competes with cars in the $45k catagory. Mazda is known for giving customers more for their money. The 8 is no exception.
What's wrong with the leather anyway? Looks decent to me.
No enemies here. I enjoy and welcome all our opinions. Opinions make the forum. Thats my opinion.

Sorry Cvan, you're absolutely right , I dont agree with you but imo, it sounds like your cherry picking flaws. Its like a customer that comes in here and says, wow the civic is very plain and simple, but of course i have to reassure the guy that hes only spending 13k, what more do you want?

To many of us, it just seems you dislike the Rx8 more than you like it.. cuz the negatives you placed out were just below minor, not even..

But again, all opinions are welcomed =)

Btw, sorry but I cant see how you can put out a Vette and a Turbo Carerra, because I can put you in an NSX and yo uwill see a huge difference in quality, of course an NSX is only about 90k =)

Good responses, maybe time will tell. Maybe when the balance of the loan gets low enough it won't bother me as much. A part of it is the price of cars have escalated since the early 90's and they're using thinner sheetmetal and more plastic injection parts, etc. etc. $31,000 can get you a lot of stuff if you don't spend it on a car- that's most of a house down payment. The auto industry players are the ones who sticker shocked the market, and now we don't even blink to drop 30+k on a car. I still believe the quality is slightly off, but everyone's doing it. On the other hand, you're also driving a car that probably took twenty million R&D $$$ to develop over the years. Still a blast to drive. Good thread guys, I'm done complainin' on this stuff...

Hskr8, there are very few "reliability problems" with the 8. You hear about all of them here, and that makes it sound like the car is trouble prone. It's not. 99% of us have had NO problems with the car. Don't let the 1% you hear about make you think the car isn't good, because that's simply not the case. It's an awesome car.

Re: Only made it halfway to the dealership
 

I respect what you are doing, and I would encourage you to wait and see what happens with us - the people who went for it without hesitation: you have a serious advantage...which is our feedback. We are no more that Guinea Pigs (happy ones!)

I beg to differ--99% is not an accurate figure. If you look at the results of the survey on this thread, 7.75% of us are somewhat dissatisfied or disatified. Please don't discount our opinions!