GOFAST

I think that the rx-8 should have the same amount of power or more than the Nissan Z. What happens when we pull up to the 'Z' at a stop light and get humiliated? I just dosn't seem right for that to happen. BUT if the power was close or the same it would actually be fun, and would depend on the better driver. I saw a 'Z' drive by and it looked GOOD....I mean REALLY appealing. I HOPE the RX-8 stand out just as much.......and maybe the same amount of power.......or i dont know that 'Z' looks good. I've been waiting sooo long for this car, that now im just becoming ancy and want a fast, fun, reliable sports car.

wakeech

<<sigh>> it's not really necessary, 'cuase this isn't a drag car...
just buy yourself a nitrous kit if you wanna race at stop lights...
there've been other threads about this, like "need some low end TORQUE", so give those a read first...

Quick_lude

I think you just humiliated yourself right here and now..
Take it to the track please, be safe. Too many people have died here this past summer from such "red light" endevaours.

Toadman

Reduced weight reduces the hp need to move more sheetmetal down the road. Remember the 3rd generation RX-7 put out 255hp, yet lay waste to fat 300hp pigs like the Z-car, 3000GT, and C4 Vettes. The RX-8 is supposedly weighing in around 2800lbs also. Sometimes less is more.

PatrickB

You might learn something important, like how silly it is attaching any real importance to how fast your car is? There will *always* be a car out there faster than yours. Deal with it.

We already know the RX-8's engine is going to have less power than the Z. It's just going to weigh a lot less, too.

Oh, and I'd suggest you get the Z. It'll help my insurance rates when you crash it instead of the RX-8.

Sputnik

Especially when you're buying off of the showroom floor.

Frankly, if your measure of a car is what it can merely do at a stoplight (*yawn*), then you probably need to look at something like a Mustang.

---jps

Hercules

I'm not even replying because this guy is a 10 year old idiot.

I just say this much, go buy a Z, and when a turn comes.. we'll see who gets humiliated.

GOFAST

I hope u all remember that this is a FORUM, and everyones opinin counts. I was just stating that if the 8 is going to for the same price as the z then the specs should be the same. People in the forum are fast to post reply's and and be ruthless without understanding the original question. I have a racing background. I race streetbikes, and i build and test them. I also tuned exotic cars, and most likly have driven cars u people read about. So dont tell me that i dont know how to drive, and that i am going to crash my car when i get one. The original RX-8 EVOLV was rated at 280hp...i was just dissapoited that they are tunnig it down. And at this point i now realize why there are soo few people left in this forum. I am sorry for intruding in your forum, and apologize. At least i dont want a windsheild wiper that turns on when i put it in reverse!!

Elara

Actually, this forum is growing, and growing very fast. The excitement over the RX8 is getting more and more heated the closer it gets to being launched. And please don't make assumptions about what people have and haven't driven here- this is the internet- it's NEVER safe to make assumptions about whom you're talking to.

As for the 350Z and the RX8- they are completely different types of cars. If you want raw power, you're better off with a Z, or maybe a Mustang, Camero, or Firebird. The RX8 is about handling, and all the power it has is just an excess bonus.

And please, don't take this the wrong way- but when you come in to a forum, it's usually best to read it for a while to see the kind of posting that's going on, and check out other threads to see if your question has already been answered before. There have been a lot of posts here recently where the same question that had a 5 page thread last week is asked again.

Anyway, don't leave just yet- it'll probably be worth your while to stick around a bit. Once they get used to you here, it makes it a bit easier.

Sputnik

Maybe some of the responses weren't the warmest/friendliest, but I don't see anyone saying anything about you not knowing how to drive or that you will crash your car. You should realize that your post may have come off alot different from what you intended. All it really mentions is a stoplight HP deficit, how is anyone supposed to know the rest of the story? And then when you could have responded with a "That's not what I meant..." kind of response, you responded with a "You are all jerks..." kind of response instead, pretty much making you what you accused us of.

It goes both ways.

---jps

Hercules

I would fathom that 99% of the people on these boards are NOT racers. We for the most part, enjoy driving, and enjoy the handling of a car over the power.

Your name alone tells enough about what you're interested in. Let me make it easy for you. RX-8 isn't for you. Stop trolling. Go to the Nissan Z boards and just tell them how awesome their car is.

I'll be happy losing a race to the Z as long as I can gain rotary, better build quality, and better handling.

You can keep trying to race us. We'll just smile and let you pull away at the stop light, and you can get the ticket.

Grimace

Guys and gals,
We are going to get 1000's of threads like this the closer the car comes to production (and after production begins). Just hang out at www.s2ki.com/forums and you'll see what I mean.
Like my mother always says, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."
I think we should put beside the logo for the RX-8 forum at the top: "The car for driving enjoyment, not straightline speed." :D Although we are living in quite a time where everyone is saying "The RX-8 needs more power/torque/superchargers/turbochargers/nitrous" simply because it doesn't go 0-60 in 5 or 4 seconds...

pelucidor

I thought everyone was saying the car needs a custom baby seat for the back...

Grimace

Yep, plus enough horsepower to really snap that baby's head back and pin it to its seat...
There is a lot of crazy conflictions here. Basically, if you put it all together, we want Mazda to build a 2500 lb, 400 HP, 400 lb-ft, 2 door, 4 door, 2 seater, 4 seater, sub-$20000, RX-8. :D
Come on guys, repeat after me...
"I love the RX-8 just the way it is, I love the RX-8 just the way it is..."
Of course, I'm typing this with "tongue in cheek", but in all seriousness, we shouldn't be so judgemental before we see one in the flesh and slide behid the wheel. Then I don't mind critiques, but I have a feeling there will be mostly praises.

Immi

I agree - I also believe that some of the veterans on this board have developed an online 'ego' on this forum. Like grimace said - as this car comes closer to production - alot of different people with different opinions will become members. I hope most of you guys dont plan on gunning down every new member that comes in here. Lets not give people the understanding that RX8 owners are bastards/mean. :p :p :p :p

pelucidor

GO FAST: Just because the RX-8 and 350Z are a similar price doesn't mean they need to have the same horsepower or 0-60. What would you do if you pull up to a light next to a Camaro/TransAm - cheaper, faster to 60 and therefore perhaps vastly more embarassing? You say you ride motorbikes so you should appreciate the idea of lightness and agility in a vehicle as opposed to 1-dimensional brute force.

Enjoy the car for what it is trying to be, don't complain about what isn't designed to be (at least until the car is on sale).

Hercules

I'm sticking to my theory that this is a pre-pubescent kid that has no mind for anything except power (which most Americans do anyway).

Anybody that's driven an exotic for any reason knows that there's very little technology involved in the power, the majority of the technology comes in for the handling of the car. Exotics aren't raced, if you had noticed... they are taken to a track and lapped and auto-xed.

Seriously, I have no patience for people like this. They come trolling on the board just saying "oh the RX-8 will get embarrased" and they try to play it off like they aren't trying to be idiots.

I tire of these threads quickly, so I'm stopping here before I really start getting mad

Immi

count to 10 Hercules
:D :D

Quick_lude

No person with a real racing background would post something like this. Nuff said.

Hercules

Amen to that.

ZoomZoom

Now ladies, let’s all relax and not get too excited!!! :p :p :p

houstonRX8

If anything, I think that GO Fast's post just shows an enthusiasm for the car. He made a direct comparison to the Z, but in doing so, just stated that he hopes the RX8 has the same kind of power.

I too would hope that the RX8 carries as much power. But I am glad that I didn't state as much, because of the reaction generated. I am not a performance guru. I couldn't tell you if a supercharger is better than a turbo for this car, or a lot of cars for that matter. I have learned a lot from this forum however. Blue Adept, Toadman, Velo, Tribal and host of others have definitely shown me a lot of patience in answering my questions, and not judging me for my lack of knowledge. To you guys, and all the others that have helped me thanks. I hope that the courtesy shown to me will also be shown to everyone else. I think a lot of us, no matter how old, become like kids in a candy store, when it comes to this car. We have an unbridled excitement, and appreciation for the car. I don't think that most people join the forum to talk mess about the car. I hope everyone will take this into consideration.

zoom44

well said!

Hercules

Look, when you start making bullsh*t lies like "I race exotics" and all this crap he's already said... it irks me. Because any decent racer has an understanding of mechanics and doesn't even say "Embarrased" when more than 90% of the time the two cars will be a measure of drivers.

Besides the launch times that the Z is putting out will wear the clutch out faster than you will believe... So this moron can keep doing his stoplight racing and I'll keep my car to drive another day.

I just have no patience for liars and morons.

Grimace

Ok, thats all fine and good, but I think the best policy is just not to respond in the first place. Of course, that's just my humble opinion, and everyone can do what they like, but that's what I'm going to try and do in the future.
95% of people check two things when reading about cars in magazines: 0-60 and horsepower. I admit it, I was the same way years ago before I started lurking on www.miataforum.com. Then I "saw the light" so to speak. Now the first two stats I look for are weight and slalom speed. The latter still isn't a good indication of handling, so I read the text for driving impressions (with a grain of salt of course). But in doing so, I'm definately in the 5% minority.
So for those newcomers to the board, 95% won't agree with our driving philosophies, and likely will not hang around long. C'est la vie. I say just let them come and go without too many flames.