RX8 vs. Tiburon
12-22-2003, 03:26 AM
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IkeWRX. I've reviewed the original post that started this thread and I've looked over the newtiburon site.
And again, your biases against the RX8 are clear. In your first post, why didn't you instead point out that autox should also be considered? You are clearly biased against the RX8. THAT is why you maintained focus on straight-line acceleration (which you often do), not because you wanted to stay within the originator's "boundaries." You continue to make adhoc adjustments but you can't even lie well.
You assume that RX8 owners would gloat over being faster than the Tiburon, that RX8 owners are contradictory in that they unconsciously maximize the RX8's advantages over other cars and minimize its disadvantages. But in all the threads on this forum, how many times have you even seen the word "Tiburon" mentioned? The Tiburon isn't even on the minds of the vast, vast majority of RX8 owners. We're thinking more about the 350Z, G35, and 3-Series.
IkeWRX loses again.
And again, your biases against the RX8 are clear. In your first post, why didn't you instead point out that autox should also be considered? You are clearly biased against the RX8. THAT is why you maintained focus on straight-line acceleration (which you often do), not because you wanted to stay within the originator's "boundaries." You continue to make adhoc adjustments but you can't even lie well.
You assume that RX8 owners would gloat over being faster than the Tiburon, that RX8 owners are contradictory in that they unconsciously maximize the RX8's advantages over other cars and minimize its disadvantages. But in all the threads on this forum, how many times have you even seen the word "Tiburon" mentioned? The Tiburon isn't even on the minds of the vast, vast majority of RX8 owners. We're thinking more about the 350Z, G35, and 3-Series.
IkeWRX loses again.
12-22-2003, 03:29 AM
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I think just about every RX-8 owner is living in some kind of dream land where 190whp at 8500 rpms in a 3000lb car is fast, and 16mpg is normal on the highway.
Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.
In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.
I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.
People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.
The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.
So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.
I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).
I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.
Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.
In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.
I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.
People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.
The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.
So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.
I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).
I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.
12-22-2003, 04:00 AM
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Jdwk, you're all mixed up.
You need to understand the development and progression of this thread from beginning to end.
The other troll, IkeWRX, fabricates some supposed connection between the Tiburon-RX8 debate and an unconscious bias in the brains of RX8 lovers. This is his premise, which he does not adequately support.
First, all human brains show a GENERAL bias of this kind (maximizing positives, minimizing negatives). It is not limited to RX8 owners. Second, this kind of psychological phenomenon happens when there is a true perceived threat, when the psychological distance between two competing constructs is too close. The thread on newtiburon.com specifically mentions the automatic RX8. Also RX8 owners simply do not worry on a daily basis about the Tiburon (when they have second thoughts about purchasing the RX8, they do not say: "Damn, I should have bought the Tiburon." So where is the perceived threat? No one here is unconsciously too concerned about the RX8-Tiburon comparison...except of course, IkeWRX (and that is a fact).
Yes, quite an intricate machination out of IkeWRX's noggin. But no match for my noggin.
As for jdwk, I don't even know what the hell you're doing here. You're going off on your own ego trip. I've heard you rant and rave about some day you can't wait for. LOL. Well, I can't wait for the day you finally put your lazy, dumb *** through junior college. Have your parents thank me for that one.
You need to understand the development and progression of this thread from beginning to end.
The other troll, IkeWRX, fabricates some supposed connection between the Tiburon-RX8 debate and an unconscious bias in the brains of RX8 lovers. This is his premise, which he does not adequately support.
First, all human brains show a GENERAL bias of this kind (maximizing positives, minimizing negatives). It is not limited to RX8 owners. Second, this kind of psychological phenomenon happens when there is a true perceived threat, when the psychological distance between two competing constructs is too close. The thread on newtiburon.com specifically mentions the automatic RX8. Also RX8 owners simply do not worry on a daily basis about the Tiburon (when they have second thoughts about purchasing the RX8, they do not say: "Damn, I should have bought the Tiburon." So where is the perceived threat? No one here is unconsciously too concerned about the RX8-Tiburon comparison...except of course, IkeWRX (and that is a fact).
Yes, quite an intricate machination out of IkeWRX's noggin. But no match for my noggin.
As for jdwk, I don't even know what the hell you're doing here. You're going off on your own ego trip. I've heard you rant and rave about some day you can't wait for. LOL. Well, I can't wait for the day you finally put your lazy, dumb *** through junior college. Have your parents thank me for that one.
12-22-2003, 04:54 AM
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jdwk - Still doesnt explain how our Uk spec lower powered RX-8's got the same time rounds top gears test track as an M3 and a 350z (1-31.8) and the 3.2v6 AudiTT for comparison got 1-32.7.
Dyno runs do not make a car, 1/4mile does not make a car, (sports)cars need to go quick, but laso go round corners and stop quick too.
Dyno runs do not make a car, 1/4mile does not make a car, (sports)cars need to go quick, but laso go round corners and stop quick too.
12-22-2003, 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by LightEmUp
Ike you drive a WRX so you get +2 cool points. But you're gay so you lose 4 cool points. You also troll this board way too much and lose an additional 4 cool points. You play with fish and drink bitch brew for a living, another -4 cool points. That puts you at -10.
-10= Not cool, go away. :D
Ike you drive a WRX so you get +2 cool points. But you're gay so you lose 4 cool points. You also troll this board way too much and lose an additional 4 cool points. You play with fish and drink bitch brew for a living, another -4 cool points. That puts you at -10.
-10= Not cool, go away. :D
12-22-2003, 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
Because if you had any clue the originator of this post was talking about a kills forum (I.E. street racing) which very very rarely involves turns and basicly involves only talk of drag racing on the streets.
Because if you had any clue the originator of this post was talking about a kills forum (I.E. street racing) which very very rarely involves turns and basicly involves only talk of drag racing on the streets.
12-22-2003, 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by rabinabo
My parents just bought a Santa Fe, and it's a pretty good vehicle (although I hate suv's).
My parents just bought a Santa Fe, and it's a pretty good vehicle (although I hate suv's).
Edit: But that's just my experience with THIS vehicle. It wouldn't be fair of me to apply judgement to the company as a whole, though I can assure you I would never again buy a Hyundai anything. Oh yeah, the 1st time my wife brought the car in, the service people told my wife that she just didn't know how to use A/C. Great service, too.
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Sorry for hijacking your thread. I don't know what's with all the rave about that 10 year warranty anyway. My friend sold his trouble-free, mid 80's Nissan Sentra for a 2002 Hyundai Elantra and he had nothing but trouble ever since then. Not to mention the person he sold his sentra to, is now "laughing all the way to the bank" sort of speak. On top of that, I know another friend who bought a Kia (owned by Hyundai) last year and started to fall apart 3 months after ownership... I don't care how much you praise about Hyundai or Kia's warranty but if it falls apart that soon, it doesn't really matter how many years warranty it has.
I have to agree with B-Nez's last statement
I have to agree with B-Nez's last statement
12-22-2003, 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
Don't you have a militia meeting to get up for in the morning? Oh, and say hello to your cousin/sister for me.
Don't you have a militia meeting to get up for in the morning? Oh, and say hello to your cousin/sister for me.
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I own a tiburon, and I'm not gonna lie, I haven't even driven a rx-8.
But here's what I think, The rx-8 is a great car, far better than the tiburon, but the rx-8 lacks in the straight line acceleration category that we are talking about.
those high 14's that you guys are claiming, are because you're car is rear wheel drive, it has a great 0-60 time, but i believe if you catch a stock tiburon on the highway and drop down to about 30-35mph, whatever range it is that the rx-8 is revving low in 2nd gear, i feel confident the tib would pull hard at first and stay in front for as long as you want to go.
from a roll, your rx-8's aren't anything like what the 1/4 mile says.
But here's what I think, The rx-8 is a great car, far better than the tiburon, but the rx-8 lacks in the straight line acceleration category that we are talking about.
those high 14's that you guys are claiming, are because you're car is rear wheel drive, it has a great 0-60 time, but i believe if you catch a stock tiburon on the highway and drop down to about 30-35mph, whatever range it is that the rx-8 is revving low in 2nd gear, i feel confident the tib would pull hard at first and stay in front for as long as you want to go.
from a roll, your rx-8's aren't anything like what the 1/4 mile says.
12-22-2003, 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by jdwk
I think just about every RX-8 owner is living in some kind of dream land where 190whp at 8500 rpms in a 3000lb car is fast, and 16mpg is normal on the highway.
Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.
In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.
I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.
People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.
The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.
So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.
I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).
I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.
I think just about every RX-8 owner is living in some kind of dream land where 190whp at 8500 rpms in a 3000lb car is fast, and 16mpg is normal on the highway.
Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.
In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.
I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.
People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.
The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.
So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.
I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).
I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.
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You guys are just out of control. Ike's point has not been disproven - the difference between the RX8 and Tiburon in the 1/4 mile is about the same as the difference between the RX8 and the 350Z/G35 Coupe. I'm not a huge fan of the Tibruon (though I think it looks good), but the hypocrisy here is quite apparent.
12-22-2003, 12:00 PM
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revhappy, I have spent a considerable amount of time in the G35 C, and the performance numbers are almost identical to the 8. The 5-60 time is quicker in the G35, but all in all, the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are very close. The 350Z is quicker, but come on, the Tiburon?? Are we back on the HP cover-up thing again. Judge Ito put together a 14.3 1/4 mile time in his 8 stock ! Sounds pretty close to the G35 to me (even a little quicker). Man the 8 must be loved to attract so many people that don't own the car?
12-22-2003, 12:01 PM
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Rev,
no offense but 819 posts on a forum that doesn't involve your car? Both you and Ike (while I like the WRX and the EVO) have nothing in common with anyone on this forum, do you own or plan on owning an 8? I didn't think so. So what is your experience with an 8 (and this is directed at both you and Ike)? Have you owned one? I didn't think so. All of your posts (both of you) have always been biased towards your own cars or more so any car that is not an 8. The thread is titled RX 8 vs. Tiburon, not RX 8 vs all cars. The 8 would smoke a tiburon bottom line. If you don't like the fact that owners of the 8 like their cars and feel they are superior to other cars (notice I didn't say all cars) then maybe you should join an anti 8 club.
no offense but 819 posts on a forum that doesn't involve your car? Both you and Ike (while I like the WRX and the EVO) have nothing in common with anyone on this forum, do you own or plan on owning an 8? I didn't think so. So what is your experience with an 8 (and this is directed at both you and Ike)? Have you owned one? I didn't think so. All of your posts (both of you) have always been biased towards your own cars or more so any car that is not an 8. The thread is titled RX 8 vs. Tiburon, not RX 8 vs all cars. The 8 would smoke a tiburon bottom line. If you don't like the fact that owners of the 8 like their cars and feel they are superior to other cars (notice I didn't say all cars) then maybe you should join an anti 8 club.
12-22-2003, 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Broker73
revhappy, I have spent a considerable amount of time in the G35 C, and the performance numbers are almost identical to the 8. The 5-60 time is quicker in the G35, but all in all, the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are very close. The 350Z is quicker, but come on, the Tiburon?? Are we back on the HP cover-up thing again. Judge Ito put together a 14.3 1/4 mile time in his 8 stock ! Sounds pretty close to the G35 to me (even a little quicker). Man the 8 must be loved to attract so many people that don't own the car?
revhappy, I have spent a considerable amount of time in the G35 C, and the performance numbers are almost identical to the 8. The 5-60 time is quicker in the G35, but all in all, the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are very close. The 350Z is quicker, but come on, the Tiburon?? Are we back on the HP cover-up thing again. Judge Ito put together a 14.3 1/4 mile time in his 8 stock ! Sounds pretty close to the G35 to me (even a little quicker). Man the 8 must be loved to attract so many people that don't own the car?
The difference between ~ 15 and mid to high 15s (Tib) and 15 and low 14s (Z/G35) is similar to me.
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Originally posted by Bigcat44
Rev,
no offense but 819 posts on a forum that doesn't involve your car? Both you and Ike (while I like the WRX and the EVO) have nothing in common with anyone on this forum, do you own or plan on owning an 8? I didn't think so. So what is your experience with an 8 (and this is directed at both you and Ike)? Have you owned one? I didn't think so. All of your posts (both of you) have always been biased towards your own cars or more so any car that is not an 8. The thread is titled RX 8 vs. Tiburon, not RX 8 vs all cars. The 8 would smoke a tiburon bottom line. If you don't like the fact that owners of the 8 like their cars and feel they are superior to other cars (notice I didn't say all cars) then maybe you should join an anti 8 club.
Rev,
no offense but 819 posts on a forum that doesn't involve your car? Both you and Ike (while I like the WRX and the EVO) have nothing in common with anyone on this forum, do you own or plan on owning an 8? I didn't think so. So what is your experience with an 8 (and this is directed at both you and Ike)? Have you owned one? I didn't think so. All of your posts (both of you) have always been biased towards your own cars or more so any car that is not an 8. The thread is titled RX 8 vs. Tiburon, not RX 8 vs all cars. The 8 would smoke a tiburon bottom line. If you don't like the fact that owners of the 8 like their cars and feel they are superior to other cars (notice I didn't say all cars) then maybe you should join an anti 8 club.
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Originally posted by jdwk
I think just about every RX-8 owner is living in some kind of dream land where 190whp at 8500 rpms in a 3000lb car is fast, and 16mpg is normal on the highway.
Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.
In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.
I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.
People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.
The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.
So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.
I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).
I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.
I think just about every RX-8 owner is living in some kind of dream land where 190whp at 8500 rpms in a 3000lb car is fast, and 16mpg is normal on the highway.
Yes, a Tiburon can keep pace with your broken RX-8. So can every other car in its class. The fact that this thread even exists should be a huge wake up call.
In fact, after driving an RX-8 and my MX-6 back to back on the highway, I did the math because my car felt much faster.
I took dyno plots and the gear ratios for both my car and the RX-8, and my lighly modified MX-6 would beat the current RX-8 from 60-90 without even factoring in weight.
People don't seem to realize how much 25whp is. HP doesn't make a car move, it is torque. And even the best stock dyno I have seen only has 131 ft lbs at the wheels at 6000 rpms and drops to 120 by 7500 rpms.
The magazine-tested unmolested RX-8, had around 140 ft lbs by 5500 rpms, and still was pushing with 130 ft lbs by peak power at 8500 rpms.
So starting aroung 5500 rpms add 10 ft lbs, and around 7500 increase that to 15 ft lbs. Because you are pushing a 3000 lb car with less than 150 ft lbs from the motor, this is HUGE. It is the difference between a low 15 second car and a mid 14 second car.
I have been told to shut up before, because apparantly RX-8 owners are so deluded by short gearing and good handling, that they don't care about the 9hp (that somehow equals 25whp).
But if that's the case, then stop putting up threads worrying about a Tiburon or RSX beating you (and for those people who apparantly only travel on mountain roads, that means in a straight line).
I can't wait for the day I meet an RX-8 on the street. Although, since RX-8 owners don't care about straight line speed it may be hard to get them to run. And if anyone wants to do a run at FIR, let me know, cause I am very curious as to the results.
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
C&D (a real car magazine) managed a 14.1 with the G35, compared to the 14.5 PRE PRODUCTION RX-8.
C&D (a real car magazine) managed a 14.1 with the G35, compared to the 14.5 PRE PRODUCTION RX-8.
Originally posted by woah
But here's what I think, The rx-8 is a great car, far better than the tiburon, but the rx-8 lacks in the straight line acceleration category that we are talking about.
those high 14's that you guys are claiming, are because you're car is rear wheel drive, it has a great 0-60 time, but i believe if you catch a stock tiburon on the highway and drop down to about 30-35mph, whatever range it is that the rx-8 is revving low in 2nd gear, i feel confident the tib would pull hard at first and stay in front for as long as you want to go.
from a roll, your rx-8's aren't anything like what the 1/4 mile says.
But here's what I think, The rx-8 is a great car, far better than the tiburon, but the rx-8 lacks in the straight line acceleration category that we are talking about.
those high 14's that you guys are claiming, are because you're car is rear wheel drive, it has a great 0-60 time, but i believe if you catch a stock tiburon on the highway and drop down to about 30-35mph, whatever range it is that the rx-8 is revving low in 2nd gear, i feel confident the tib would pull hard at first and stay in front for as long as you want to go.
from a roll, your rx-8's aren't anything like what the 1/4 mile says.
RX8: 7.5s
Tib: 7.6s
Well no clear winner here despite the Tib's engine being more suited to the test.
Taking a look at the top gear test gives the Tib another advantage since 8's gears need to be rowed for the engine to sing
30-50
RX8: 10.8
Tib: 9.6
50-70
RX8: 10.0
Tib: 10.1
As you can see, as the speeds get closer to the sweet spot for 6th gear for the RX8, it starts to pull ahead.
So, although it's a mag race which isn't based on real life, unless we restrict ourselves to top gear accelerations, it shouldn't be difficult for the RX8 to keep up or surpass the Tib at any speed. The first comparison is probably the best way to look at it because it takes all the advanatge out of the launch of the 8, but the Tib's peak torque comes at less than half of the 8's RPM's.
Anyway, this is by no way concrete data, the only way is to test them back to back on a real track - but it's much better than, "Well I've only ever driven one of the cars here, so I think...:
12-22-2003, 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by 5Gen_Prelude
I think we can all agree that pointing out times from one time to another can be misleading and doesn't take into consideration track conditions. Having said that comparos between one magazine and another are more misleading that ones done at different times at the same magazine. So with all that in mind, lets examine your statement with real world numbers. Now we all know that a 5-60 mph start is murder on a high reving engine, giving the advantage to a lower reving V6 with more torque (159 lb-ft vs. 177 lb-ft). So what are the two numbers for 5-60 mph?
RX8: 7.5s
Tib: 7.6s
Well no clear winner here despite the Tib's engine being more suited to the test.
Taking a look at the top gear test gives the Tib another advantage since 8's gears need to be rowed for the engine to sing
30-50
RX8: 10.8
Tib: 9.6
50-70
RX8: 10.0
Tib: 10.1
As you can see, as the speeds get closer to the sweet spot for 6th gear for the RX8, it starts to pull ahead.
So, although it's a mag race which isn't based on real life, unless we restrict ourselves to top gear accelerations, it shouldn't be difficult for the RX8 to keep up or surpass the Tib at any speed. The first comparison is probably the best way to look at it because it takes all the advanatge out of the launch of the 8, but the Tib's peak torque comes at less than half of the 8's RPM's.
Anyway, this is by no way concrete data, the only way is to test them back to back on a real track - but it's much better than, "Well I've only ever driven one of the cars here, so I think...:
I think we can all agree that pointing out times from one time to another can be misleading and doesn't take into consideration track conditions. Having said that comparos between one magazine and another are more misleading that ones done at different times at the same magazine. So with all that in mind, lets examine your statement with real world numbers. Now we all know that a 5-60 mph start is murder on a high reving engine, giving the advantage to a lower reving V6 with more torque (159 lb-ft vs. 177 lb-ft). So what are the two numbers for 5-60 mph?
RX8: 7.5s
Tib: 7.6s
Well no clear winner here despite the Tib's engine being more suited to the test.
Taking a look at the top gear test gives the Tib another advantage since 8's gears need to be rowed for the engine to sing
30-50
RX8: 10.8
Tib: 9.6
50-70
RX8: 10.0
Tib: 10.1
As you can see, as the speeds get closer to the sweet spot for 6th gear for the RX8, it starts to pull ahead.
So, although it's a mag race which isn't based on real life, unless we restrict ourselves to top gear accelerations, it shouldn't be difficult for the RX8 to keep up or surpass the Tib at any speed. The first comparison is probably the best way to look at it because it takes all the advanatge out of the launch of the 8, but the Tib's peak torque comes at less than half of the 8's RPM's.
Anyway, this is by no way concrete data, the only way is to test them back to back on a real track - but it's much better than, "Well I've only ever driven one of the cars here, so I think...:
12-22-2003, 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by revhappy
If you have followed my posts you will notice I was on this board following the RX8 long before I ruled it out and bought the EVO. In fact, I started the thread "The Mazda RX8" on Edmunds in November 2001. Anyway, I posted the reason I am on this board a few days back, so look there to find out more.
If you have followed my posts you will notice I was on this board following the RX8 long before I ruled it out and bought the EVO. In fact, I started the thread "The Mazda RX8" on Edmunds in November 2001. Anyway, I posted the reason I am on this board a few days back, so look there to find out more.
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Pretty good post 5Gen.
Look, a modded Civic can take the 8. Who cares. If you like Civics, you'll be geeked by it. Same with a clapped out 85 Mustang.
Same with the Tib. If it makes a Tib owner feel good to keep up with an 8 in acceleration, yipee.
But that will never hide the fact that the 8 is 1) a nicer car (as it should be for more $$), 2) better handling, and 3) rear-drive.
That (among other reasons) is why I'd choose the 8 over the Tib.
Should the 8 be faster? Yeah, I'd like it to have more mid-range punch.
But I ain't going to lose sleep over losing a stoplight drag race... if I even bother.
Look, a modded Civic can take the 8. Who cares. If you like Civics, you'll be geeked by it. Same with a clapped out 85 Mustang.
Same with the Tib. If it makes a Tib owner feel good to keep up with an 8 in acceleration, yipee.
But that will never hide the fact that the 8 is 1) a nicer car (as it should be for more $$), 2) better handling, and 3) rear-drive.
That (among other reasons) is why I'd choose the 8 over the Tib.
Should the 8 be faster? Yeah, I'd like it to have more mid-range punch.
But I ain't going to lose sleep over losing a stoplight drag race... if I even bother.
12-22-2003, 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Bigcat44
So you don't own an 8 nor have you ever owned one yet you seem to think you (by reading Mag ads) have the knowledge on wether or not the 8 can beat any car? While I like the Evo (more than the WRX) and the STi I find no reason to go and start posting my personal opinions on your web forums considering I have a biased opinion towards my great 8. Thanks for your 819 posts of hmm oh yeah great info but keep your 8 flaming to your own web board.
So you don't own an 8 nor have you ever owned one yet you seem to think you (by reading Mag ads) have the knowledge on wether or not the 8 can beat any car? While I like the Evo (more than the WRX) and the STi I find no reason to go and start posting my personal opinions on your web forums considering I have a biased opinion towards my great 8. Thanks for your 819 posts of hmm oh yeah great info but keep your 8 flaming to your own web board.