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skhmund 02-24-2006 06:33 PM

rx-8 vs. rx-7
 
now i know both r great cars, but i was just curious about the 0-60 times of the 7 and 8 and im assuming that the 8 has better EPA mileage estimates compared to the old 7's?

chizzer337 02-24-2006 07:23 PM

Do a search you should find what your looking for.

Ike 02-24-2006 07:31 PM

The RX-8 can keep up with the FB pretty well.

skhmund 02-24-2006 07:57 PM

thanx guys, another question, whats the top speed anybody has reached on their 8? (AT or MT)

Ike 02-24-2006 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by skhmund
thanx guys, another question, whats the top speed anybody has reached on their 8? (AT or MT)

Why does it matter? Plus, like someone pointed out earlier, SEARCH, this question has been asked ad nauseum.

yiksing 02-24-2006 08:01 PM

0-60 ain't so important but rather how much power you can apply after coming out of a corner for a straight. If the 8 is lighter, it could really keep up with the 7 although the lower torque.

Captain Amazing 02-24-2006 09:06 PM

0-60 5.9 RX8
155mph top speed

DARKMAZ8 02-24-2006 09:08 PM

hmmmm rx8 = to fast to count!!!!

mikefrombarrie 02-24-2006 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by skhmund
now i know both r great cars, but i was just curious about the 0-60 times of the 7 and 8 and im assuming that the 8 has better EPA mileage estimates compared to the old 7's?

Here are the specs for a 1993 RX-7 Manual.

0 to 60mph = 5.3sec
1/4mile = 14.1 @99.9Mph
Lateral G = .98

255Hp @6500rpm
217lb-ft@5000rpm

Raptor2k 02-24-2006 09:56 PM

5.3...*drool*

drivelikejehu 02-24-2006 10:08 PM

ive raped every rx8 ive come across... by a mile. and last time i checked the 7 was a lot lighter than the 8.

dont get me wrong i like 8's, but its just no contest when it comes to preformance. i think there was a person on the rx7fourms that did like 187mph on a modded FD or something crazy like that. i know many have gone 170+ but im not exactly sure whos actually gone the fastest. the speedo is only 180mph on an FD.

Ike 02-24-2006 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by Raptor2k
5.3...*drool*


*yawns*

DARKMAZ8 02-24-2006 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ike
*yawns*


how much power did the evo make in 93?

Ike 02-24-2006 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
how much power did the evo make in 93?

The Evo II had 252hp, and it did 0-60 in under 5 seconds. Any other questions?

DrDiaboloco 02-24-2006 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by drivelikejehu
ive raped every rx8 ive come across... by a mile.

If I may quote Ike....

*yawn*

I'm SO happy for you, Jehu. You're my friggin' idol. I LOVE YOU MAN. :boring:

Raptor2k 02-24-2006 11:35 PM

Come on, 5.3, that's Z terroritory and would be great if the 8 could do that

DARKMAZ8 02-24-2006 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by Ike
The Evo II had 252hp, and it did 0-60 in under 5 seconds. Any other questions?


Actually, the evo 2 was brought out early 1994. In 93, the evo had 243hp........less then the 7......ahahahahahha.


btw....It was slower then the 7 also.. :bootyshak

buzzardsluck 02-24-2006 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by Ike
The RX-8 can keep up with the FB pretty well.


:rolleyes:

Wow what I could type to your posts in this thread

RX-Hawk 02-24-2006 11:48 PM

are we talking stock rx-7s here? most 7s on the street have been modified in some way...

Ike 02-25-2006 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
Actually, the evo 2 was brought out early 1994. In 93, the evo had 243hp........less then the 7......ahahahahahha.


btw....It was slower then the 7 also.. :bootyshak

The Evo II debuted in Dec. of 1993 in Japan and was consider MY03.

P.S The Evo I still did 0-60 in under 5 seconds. :ylsuper: :bootyshak :kiss:

Ike 02-25-2006 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by buzzardsluck
:rolleyes:

Wow what I could type to your posts in this thread

I guess we'll never know...

DARKMAZ8 02-25-2006 12:10 AM


Originally Posted by Ike
The Evo II debuted in Dec. of 2003 in Japan and was consider MY03.

P.S The Evo I still did 0-60 in under 5 seconds. :ylsuper: :bootyshak :kiss:


Oh ya 2003 eh!!!!!! :cwm27:

P.S. evo 1 did 5.1 0-60 but only a 14 second quarter<------- :boring:

p.p.s. 7>evo/sti/srt4/..................just ask vin deisel if you don't believe me. :ylsuper:

Ike 02-25-2006 12:18 AM

From some british car mag...

Mitsubishi Lander Evo I 0-60 = 4.95 1/4 mile = 13.7 Trap speed = 100.53
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo II 0-60 = 4.78 1/4 mile = 13.52 Trap speed = 102.04


Full mits stats...

Make Model Year Power Weight BHP/Ton 0 - 60 0 - 100 60 - 100 1/4 Mile Term Speed 1/4 Mile (D) Term Speed (D)
- - - (BHP) (KG) - (Secs) (Secs) (Secs) (Secs) (MPH) (Secs) (MPH)
Mitsubishi 3000GT/GTO 94 281 1720 165.99 6.25 17.03 10.78 14.97 93.75 14.57 96.52
Mitsubishi 3000GT/GTO VR4 98 320 1728 188.16 5.61 14.62 9.01 14.29 98.87 13.89 101.87
Mitsubishi CZT 05 147 1070 139.59 7.65 21.36 13.72 16.1 86.8 15.9 88.29
Mitsubishi CZT Coupe-Cab 05 147 1190 125.51 8.39 24.24 15.86 16.84 83.33 16.64 84.74
Mitsubishi FTO import 03 197 1199 166.94 6.54 16.78 10.24 14.95 94.37 14.75 96.03
Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 (Import) 99 276 1524 184.01 5.43 14.62 9.19 14.15 98.4 13.75 101.44
Mitsubishi Lander Evo I(original) 92 250 1255 202.4 4.95 13.55 8.6 13.7 100.53 13.3 103.76
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo II 93 260 1255 210.5 4.78 12.98 8.2 13.52 102.04 13.12 105.33
Mitsubishi Laner Evo III 96 270 1255 218.59 4.62 12.47 7.85 13.35 103.48 12.95 106.84
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV GSR 97 276 1350 207.73 4.83 12.97 8.13 13.56 102.24 13.16 105.52
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo V GSR 98 276 1360 206.2 4.87 13.05 8.19 13.59 102.03 13.19 105.3
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI GSR 01 276 1365 205.44 4.88 13.1 8.21 13.61 101.92 13.21 105.18
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI Makinen Edition 01 290 1365 215.86 4.67 12.4 7.73 13.38 103.86 12.98 107.22
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI RS 01 276 1255 223.45 4.53 12.18 7.65 13.26 104.31 12.86 107.72
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI RS Sprint 01 330 1255 267.17 3.91 10.22 6.31 12.58 110.96 12.18 114.7
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII 02 276 1400 200.31 4.99 13.4 8.41 13.72 101.18 13.32 104.39
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII FQ300 02 301 1400 218.45 4.62 12.17 7.55 13.32 104.6 12.92 107.98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII GT-A (auto) 02 268 1480 183.99 5.4 14.61 9.22 14.13 98.31 13.73 101.37
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII RS Sprint 02 316 1320 243.24 4.22 11.05 6.83 12.9 108.08 12.5 111.65
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII 03 276 1410 198.89 5.03 13.49 8.46 13.75 100.97 13.35 104.17
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII 260 03 261 1470 180.4 5.49 14.99 9.49 14.23 97.45 13.83 100.47
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII Extreme 03 340 1410 245.01 4.19 10.78 6.59 12.85 109.17 12.45 112.77
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII FQ300 MR 04 305 1400 221.35 4.57 12 7.43 13.27 105.12 12.87 108.53
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII FQ320 MR 04 326 1400 236.6 4.32 11.19 6.88 12.99 107.72 12.59 111.25
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII FQ340 MR 04 345 1400 250.38 4.12 10.57 6.45 12.77 109.92 12.37 113.55
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII FQ400 MR 05 405 1400 293.93 3.64 9.09 5.45 12.23 116.02 11.83 119.95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII RS MR 04 276 1400 200.31 4.99 13.4 8.41 13.72 101.18 13.32 104.39
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX FQ300 05 305 1400 221.35 4.57 12 7.43 13.27 105.12 12.87 108.53
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX FQ320 05 326 1400 236.6 4.32 11.19 6.88 12.99 107.72 12.59 111.25
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX FQ340 05 345 1400 250.38 4.12 10.57 6.45 12.77 109.92 12.37 113.55


:bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak

Ike 02-25-2006 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
Oh ya 2003 eh!!!!!! :cwm27:

P.S. evo 1 did 5.1 0-60 but only a 14 second quarter<------- :boring:

p.p.s. 7>evo/sti/srt4/..................just ask vin deisel if you don't believe me. :ylsuper:

Paul Walker > Vin Diesel
Supra > RX-7
Evo > Humanity

:mdrmed:

DARKMAZ8 02-25-2006 12:27 AM

c'mon we both know gtecs arn't reliable. :mdrmed:

first off it lists the evos power at 250????hmmmm why 250 hp when the real specs are 243-244.

Let's see some real slips? :hahano:


Anyways, the 7 is faster :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak

Ike 02-25-2006 12:33 AM


Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
c'mon we both know gtecs arn't reliable. :mdrmed:

first off it lists the evos power at 250????hmmmm why 250 hp when the real specs are 243-244.

Let's see some real slips? :hahano:


Anyways, the 7 is faster :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak :bootyshak

The Evo I was 250 in the UK, 260 for the Evo II :)

Your mom has the timeslips. :dunno:

Teh SRT-4 is teh fastar! :Freak_ani

DARKMAZ8 02-25-2006 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by Ike
Paul Walker > Vin Diesel
Supra > RX-7
Evo > Humanity

:mdrmed:

vin diesel/rx7 > 2f2f evo with ricer parts/paul walker
rx7/vin diesel>eclipes w/ 2 bottle of naws/paul walker
rx7>universe>humanity

DARKMAZ8 02-25-2006 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by Ike

Your mom has the timeslips. :dunno:

ok, I got the slip from my mom. Here's the race between vin(rx7--right) and paul(evo--left).

http://www.sidewlk.homestead.com/files/59/Time_slip.jpg
what's your excuse now? :bootyshak

Ike 02-25-2006 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by DARKMAZ8
ok, I got the slip from my mom. Here's the race between vin(rx7--right) and paul(evo--left).


what's your excuse now? :bootyshak

I'll let you know once you tell me your excuse for not putting any numbers up.

DARKMAZ8 02-25-2006 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by Ike
I'll let you know once you tell me your excuse for not putting any numbers up.

It's up now...geez

great reaction time tho :mdrmed:

Ike 02-25-2006 12:48 AM

Whoops, now that the timeslip that ate Tokyo has been posted I must admit defeat. But I'll be back!

DARKMAZ8 02-25-2006 12:52 AM

yay!

Captain Amazing 02-25-2006 02:17 AM

WTF has this thread turned into? Anyway, we can all agree that the RX-8 is definately slow. But honestly, who cares? How many times do you get into a race anyway?

JRichter 02-25-2006 02:18 AM

What was the topic of this post?

Oh ya, RX-7 vs RX-8.

1979 Mazda RX-7 GS 9.2 17.0
1982 Mazda RX-7 GSL 9.7 N/A
1983 Mazda RX-7 GS 9.5 17.0
1984 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE 7.8 15.9
1985 Mazda RX-7 GSL 9.9 17.4
1986 Mazda RX-7 GXL 8.5 16.5
1987 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 6.6 15.2
1988 Mazda RX-7 Conv. 9.7 17.5
1989 Mazda RX-7 GTU 8.5 16.5
1989 Mazda RX-7 Turbo 6.7 15.1
1990 Mazda RX-7 GTU 8.6 16.7
1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II 6.3 14.9
1991 Mazda RX-7 Conv. 8.8 16.7
1991 Mazda RX-7 Infini IV 7.0 14.9
1993 Mazda RX-7 5.5 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 6.0 14.5 (auto)
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)

SOURCE: http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

Raptor2k 02-25-2006 02:19 AM

Slow by what standards?

JRichter 02-25-2006 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by Raptor2k
Slow by what standards?

Good question...

Based on all of the production cars on the road at this very minute in America, the RX-8 is still probably in the to 1% of the fastest.

(think about this, what is the top selling vehicle in America? Last time I checked it was a Ford F-series truck.)

Raptor2k 02-25-2006 02:29 AM

Exactly

astro 02-25-2006 04:59 AM

:D: I'm gonna do track lessons. I wanna be a fast driver to make my RX8 go faster. :scratchhe

DrDiaboloco 02-25-2006 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by Raptor2k
Slow by what standards?

Exactly.

Sorry, Captain Amazing, I don't think anyone here is agreeing that the RX8 is "slow".

Slower than a last-gen RX7? Sure. Slower than an Evo, an STi, A Mustang GT, a GTO, etc.? Sure.

But SLOW? Not hardly.

Luckily there is much more to a car than timeslips, which anyone who isn't all hung up on "I can beat you in a streetrace, huh huh huh" will recognize. I don't lose any sleep at night knowing that a 350Z or five year-old Camaro SS will beat me in a drag race, and beat me badly. If I wanted a dragster, I would've gotten that GTO instead.

Nemesis8 02-25-2006 11:36 AM

Why does everyone compare the normally aspirated RX8 to all the other forced induction cars out there? Once the 8's get FI in masses, then all the talk on all the boards will change for sure. It's only a matter of time.

rotary>piston

:rock:

Ike 02-25-2006 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Nemesis8
Why does everyone compare the normally aspirated RX8 to all the other forced induction cars out there? Once the 8's get FI in masses, then all the talk on all the boards will change for sure. It's only a matter of time.

rotary>piston

:rock:

I've been hearing that for 3 years, it's not happening.

Nemesis8 02-25-2006 12:43 PM

Yep, it's been a long three years for sure. I'm aiming my car to be boosted in '07. That's almost four years after I took delivery! Maybe I should have just purchased a used 3rd gen and dumped money into a 20B swap :)

Ike 02-25-2006 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
Exactly.

Sorry, Captain Amazing, I don't think anyone here is agreeing that the RX8 is "slow".

Slower than a last-gen RX7? Sure. Slower than an Evo, an STi, A Mustang GT, a GTO, etc.? Sure.

But SLOW? Not hardly.

Luckily there is much more to a car than timeslips, which anyone who isn't all hung up on "I can beat you in a streetrace, huh huh huh" will recognize. I don't lose any sleep at night knowing that a 350Z or five year-old Camaro SS will beat me in a drag race, and beat me badly. If I wanted a dragster, I would've gotten that GTO instead.

To some people it's slow... the RX-8 feels slow to me, I'm not about to call it slow, but it's not fast. There are plenty of family sedans, sport compacts, and small SUVs that will beat the RX-8 or give it a good run for its money. Also, just because a car is fast ina straight line doesn't mean it's a dragster, there are plenty of cars out there that handle well and are as fast or faster than the RX-8.

RotoRocket 02-25-2006 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Ike
To some people it's slow... the RX-8 feels slow to me, I'm not about to call it slow, but it's not fast. There are plenty of family sedans, sport compacts, and small SUVs that will beat the RX-8 or give it a good run for its money. Also, just because a car is fast ina straight line doesn't mean it's a dragster, there are plenty of cars out there that handle well and are as fast or faster than the RX-8.

I think that saying "[t]here are plenty of family sedans, sport compacts, and small SUVs that will beat the RX-8..." is pretty much a meritless claim.

But please do name such "plenty" vehicles...especially the family sedans and small SUVs.

BlueEyes 02-25-2006 01:03 PM

arguing semantics is so fun!

kmg1186 02-25-2006 01:05 PM

i feel stupider after reading this thread. what a waste of my time. quit your bickering. kiss and make up.

Roaddemon 02-25-2006 01:08 PM

Back on subject, test drive the rx-7 and then the 8. You'll want the 8. It's much more car. It feels fast for all practicle situations. You won't be sorry. Just don't race, light weight, 280 hp cars and you'll be OK. A stock fd won't shake an 8 on the road.

Captain Amazing 02-25-2006 01:10 PM

Alright, This is what I meant. The RX-8 is quick in a straight line. Not exactly fast or slow but it will get the job done. However, the RX-8 is awesome in the corners as that is what it was meant to do which is why it destroys everything in autocross events or very tight courses. :)

BlueEyes 02-25-2006 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Amazing
However, the RX-8 is awesome in the corners as that is what it was meant to do which is why it destroys everything in autocross events or very tight courses. :)

I take an autocross course to work in the mornings.

tuj 02-25-2006 01:26 PM

The RX-8 chassis is significantly better than the FD, although the RX-8 is heavier. I have been faster than decently driven FC's and 350z at the track, although both cars have an advantage over the RX-8 on the straights. Drive an RX-8 hard and you'll find that it is an amazingly expressive and rewarding car. The engine is so smooth, and the rush of its rev's is really quite outstanding. In the upper revs, the torque curve is relatively flat, and the throttle response is excellent.

Yes, its not an FD, nor was it meant to be. The FD was Mazda's be-all, end-all sports car. But with the 8, you get a better everyday car, with better street-going suspension, a high-quality interior and exterior, and a factory warranty.

I personally like the RX-8 over the FB and FC, although I would love to get an FD someday. But keep in mind that the FD takes a significant amount of work and $ to make it reliable, and it has a lot more things to be concerned with than the 8. The 8 just needs oil, and to be warmed up every time you take it out. The FD needs all of that, plus more frequent oil changes (for the turbos). It needs you to watch the boost levels and make sure there are no spikes or creep. It has a complex turbo system with many potential points of failure. But its also a brillant car, and certainly faster than the RX-8 in nearly all situations. An interesting point, Mazda had a lapping session at Laguna Seca at the 8's launch and supposedly the RX-8 posted similar times to the FD, when both were driven by a pro.


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