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gh0st 02-13-2007 09:55 PM

figured id bring this up here

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...tning-lap.html

there is a map in the magazine version with average speed in the corners but i guess the internet version doesnt have it.

Hornet 02-14-2007 02:36 AM


Originally Posted by gh0st
on stock suspension, the 8 is twitchy at high speeds when approaching the limits.

Hornet- how do you rate the brakes on the EVO compared to the 8?

IMHO they are very close in braking! You can have someone kissing the windshield in either!

23109VC 02-14-2007 02:38 AM

my what a huge thread I started.

wasn't trying to start a war. i just really wondered what 8 owners thought of the EVO and I was hoping to find some people who have owned or driven both to give me their opinions.

i know the basic differences. it's always informative to see what others think..especially from those who have spent seat time in each.

the EVO is no doubt a hard core performance car. brutal power and amazing grip.

the 8 I drove was piles of fun. i'll have to get some more seat time in each and see which i really like more.

Hornet 02-14-2007 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by 23109VC
my what a huge thread I started.

wasn't trying to start a war. i just really wondered what 8 owners thought of the EVO and I was hoping to find some people who have owned or driven both to give me their opinions.

i know the basic differences. it's always informative to see what others think..especially from those who have spent seat time in each.

the EVO is no doubt a hard core performance car. brutal power and amazing grip.

the 8 I drove was piles of fun. i'll have to get some more seat time in each and see which i really like more.


It really depends on you! Honestly...in the aspect of performance I preferred the Evo. In the aspect of comfort and features I prefer the 8. If you are one of the seemingly rare few like myself who actually like both then it is a hard choice! There are a lot of other angles to look at such as are you into aftermarket performance or even aftermarket audio. Do you plan on driving in inclement weather! Are you comfortable with a rotary? For me I had an '88 RX-7 so I already had a love for the rotary and a little familiarity of what to expect.

9291150 02-14-2007 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Ike
If it makes you fel any better I think you're acting less fanboish than usual :cwm27:

Too funny man. Ike, you are the fanbois king! In this thread alone you must of had nearly 50 plus posts praising your Evo. So you admit that the Evo lacks creature comforts or has a stiff ride...really? What other news is Ike gonna break? Liberace is gay? No way!!

You seem like a smart enough guy otherwise, sure you're an ass but so am I. But you actually said the Evo only "resembles" a Lancer. :spank:

...king of the Fanbois!

MP3Guy 02-14-2007 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Ike
Nope, mainly just you and dbb.

If you don't like it Ike, you can always end your four year long second career of baiting RX-8 owners on this site. If you think you're imparting any great wisdom to us, forget it.

playdoh43 02-14-2007 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by 9291150
Too funny man. Ike, you are the fanbois king! In this thread alone you must of had nearly 50 plus posts praising your Evo. So you admit that the Evo lacks creature comforts or has a stiff ride...really? What other news is Ike gonna break? Liberace is gay? No way!!

You seem like a smart enough guy otherwise, sure you're an ass but so am I. But you actually said the Evo only "resembles" a Lancer. :spank:

...king of the Fanbois!

hes not a "fanboi" at all, he just put them in their place

Raptor2k 02-14-2007 10:59 AM

Whoa, this thread is so original!

gh0st 02-14-2007 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by 23109VC
my what a huge thread I started.

wasn't trying to start a war. i just really wondered what 8 owners thought of the EVO and I was hoping to find some people who have owned or driven both to give me their opinions.

i know the basic differences. it's always informative to see what others think..especially from those who have spent seat time in each.

the EVO is no doubt a hard core performance car. brutal power and amazing grip.

the 8 I drove was piles of fun. i'll have to get some more seat time in each and see which i really like more.


from car and driver VIR lightning lap

"The Mazda RX-8 turned 3:19.0, 1.9 seconds quicker than the Mustang, and the two cars were as different as steak and sushi. The rotary engine lacked punch coming out of the corners, even when we freely used its 9000-rpm capability. Its maximum straightaway speed was only 116.4 mph — 2.9 mph below the Mustang’s and even slower than the Cobalt SS’s. On the other hand, the RX-8’s taut suspension provided great body control and excellent cornering balance. Its brakes were powerful and fade-free. It turned in with sharp precision, and you could use power to rotate the car toward a corner apex. The sector times show how much the RX-8 liked the corners.

The Mitsubishi Evo MR was another excellent-handling car. It also had the benefit of serious power, achieving 124.0 mph on the straight. These virtues were supplemented by plenty of grip and tremendous stability. The Evo managed to combine quick turn-in behavior with a nicely planted feel in the corners. Its steering was precise, and the Evo’s highly supportive seat made it a driver favorite. We would like to see less fade in its brakes, but there was enough stopping power to put together at least one good lap per session, and the best of those was clocked at 3:13.5.

In the LL1 class, only the Nissan 350Z could beat that time, with a best lap of 3:12.5. The 350Z was as gutsy as the Evo, and its thrust was of the naturally aspirated variety with, naturally, no turbo lag. That made it possible to feed in power much more precisely — and earlier — when exiting corners. The Z-car’s handling was not quite as buttoned down as the Evo’s, and the Nissan demanded a more precise driving style. But its smooth power delivery worked well with fine handling balance to allow genuine power oversteer when necessary to tighten the car’s line. Long live the king of LL1!"

im a bit suprized that the 350 did so well.

gh0st 02-14-2007 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by dillsrotary
AH ghost that thing must be a total sleeper! nice pics

thanks man.. but that car doesnt belong to me. im thinking about buying one though. the car was weighed at 1670lbs (i think) with 332AWHP so its hard to resist. especially since the owner has spent under 20K and is about to boost the HP to around 400awhp. the entire motor/drivetrain swap only took us 3 hours too! :rock:

Hornet 02-14-2007 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by 9291150
Too funny man. Ike, you are the fanbois king! In this thread alone you must of had nearly 50 plus posts praising your Evo. So you admit that the Evo lacks creature comforts or has a stiff ride...really? What other news is Ike gonna break? Liberace is gay? No way!!

You seem like a smart enough guy otherwise, sure you're an ass but so am I. But you actually said the Evo only "resembles" a Lancer. :spank:

...king of the Fanbois!

I don't really want to get into your pissing contest but I don't think you have really read up on the development process of an Evo from the assembly line! Before I got mine I did quite a bit of reading on it and I promise you that you absolutely cannot make a regular Lancer into an Evo! The development starts as early as the bare frame! So his comment actually is not fanboi based but fact based!

CarAndDriver 02-14-2007 01:13 PM

The Energizer Bunny.

zoned 02-14-2007 03:38 PM

EVO= Mike Tyson
8 = Ali

thats all i got.

tmak26b 02-14-2007 04:40 PM

That is what VIR looks like, you need HP to survive. The track in Top Gear is much smaller and shorter, I dont think they even hit 110.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVM9pjfDNKk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-BfLpfJxEQ

Reefer650 02-14-2007 09:09 PM

My rx has an awesome interior and very sporty exterior but for an allaround daily driver with crazy comforable amount of power id go with the evo any day

CarAndDriver 02-14-2007 09:32 PM

The current EVO has no side airbags and I refuse to drive a car w/o them. The new one will change that though.

dbb 02-14-2007 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by Reefer650
My rx has an awesome interior and very sporty exterior but for an allaround daily driver with crazy comforable amount of power id go with the evo any day

You'd go with a highly strung lancer as a daily driver over the rx8 (which has a better interior and better ride quality)?

I'm guessing most people would have the rx8 as the daily driver and the EVO as the weekend boy racer car ...

Riggs 02-14-2007 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by dbb
Sure, the Evo is quick. But it isn't a drivers car.

Now there's a mis-statement if ever I have seen one...
:confused:

Riggs 02-14-2007 10:18 PM

I've seen a FQ400 hand a Carrera GT it's ass. That's not bad for an Evo "econobox" over a 450K supercar.

typej 02-15-2007 03:33 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/87...42db92db_d.jpg

Do you really want that thing???? :spank:

RX-8 all the way.

Ike 02-15-2007 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by typej
Do you really want that thing???? :spank:

An Evo decked out for rally racing, yes I do!

NoTears316 02-15-2007 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by typej
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/87...42db92db_d.jpg

Do you really want that thing???? :spank:

RX-8 all the way.

I have those same lights on my lawnmower. That way I can cut the grass at 2 am with no problems.

Design1stCode2nd 02-15-2007 04:33 PM

I got a chance to sit in an MR at a recent autoshow (the had a new 08 GTS on a spinner and it looked good). When you see it in person and walk around it it’s not a bad looking vehicle. Not particularly pretty but purposeful. Those recaros are friggin awesome and while the interior is basic it didn’t appear bad when I sat in it. It’s the lack of airbags that took it off my possible list. Not that it was high up there anyway.

Back to the OP, go out and testdrive and see what you like, that is the only way, make the best choice for you.

23109VC 02-16-2007 05:38 PM

i can't believe this thread hit 12 pages.... wow....

i probably will go out and test drive an EVO sometime soon. I may try the STi too. they are kind of the same thing...different brand..same type of car. four door turbo rally rockets...

I'd like to find a Mitsu dealer in the same area as the Mazda dealer.and take the same fun twisty roads..do it back to back... before I forget what it's like... you drive a car on one weekend, anothe rone the next weekend, and it's very hard to compare.

I was NOT aware that the current evo lacks side airbags. that sucks. i want a fun car, but i'd also like SOME degree of safety.

my S60R was about as safe as you can get in a sporty car.... but that car had to go. i really want somethign lighter and more tossable. if I could have anythign, heck, i might get an S2000...but I really don't want only 2 seats. i have kids...and while I *could* get an S2000 as a third car...and keep my current beater sedan for to/from work... i really don't want three cars. the RX8 would give me the feel ofa two seater....but with the ability to shuttle th ekids around if I needed to.

:)

one drawback to the EVO...is that I"m one of those people who has this constant need/desire to MOD cars. I always am thinking fo somethign to buy for the car, exhaust, springs, sway bars, strut bars, etc etc.. My S60R was pretty modified...and I spent a fair amount of $$ on it... and now that I sold it...I sort of wish I had done a lot less to it. I'd have more $$ in the bank... :) I promised my wife that the next car I would leave STOCK... she laughed at me and said "yeah right" cause she knows that i'll want to mod something.... and yeah...I'll tint the windows, do clear corner lenses... but if I had an EVO...OMFG... I'd want to do a turbo back exhaust, flash the ECU, and add more power...i'd be adding a boost gauge...i'd want to do all that stuff to it..and on an EVO...jsut a turbo back and flash can change it from a 13 second car to a high 12 second car.... big big gains.

the Rx8 on the other hand...is the kind of car that you CAN mod...but honestly..you're not gonna get big gains outo f it..you could do sways , strut bars...and probably get nice gains in handling...but really...you could add $2000 in intake/exhaust/flywheel...and have a car that is really not *that* much faster than stock...and for someone like me..who is trying to resist the urge to mod..and just buy it and enjoy it....the 8 might be a safe choice. i could do some cheapy things...like strut bars, tint.... but the urge to add a cat back might not be there b/c i know it really won't add any power... not much...not to justifhy the $$ and hassle from the wife.. ;) wheras the EVO.... me buying an EVO and saying I won't mod it...would be like giving a crack addict a torch and crack pipe....and then tell them not to go look for crack.... ;) you get the idea...

besides, the 8 was FUN FUN FUN. and i've had rotaries. i had a 79 RX and I had a 87 Turbo II. both fun cars..but they blew motors.. :(

funny thing.. when I test drove the rX8 I felt this buzz in the shifter...and it was deja vu.... i remembered my 79 RX7 buzzing the exact same way.... i had totally forgotten aboutg it.... but the 8 did it the same way. mazda thing? rotary thing? i liked it..reminded me of my old 7.... which was my very first car when i turned 16.... not a bad car for a 16 year old eh?? yeah it was used and had 85k miles on it...but it was clean, and ..guess what.. I modded it... RB headers..exhaust, ported motor...suspension... oh yeah...EVERY car i've owned since age 16 has been tinkered with.... i'm trying to stop the insanity... ;)

so the 8 might be a good choice... and maybe i'm just hopeless and i'll get an RX8 and wind up wthi a greddy turbo kit.... aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh :cwm27:

Brettus 02-16-2007 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by 23109VC

so the 8 might be a good choice... and maybe i'm just hopeless and i'll get an RX8 and wind up wthi a greddy turbo kit.... aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh :cwm27:

or hold back till the AFSC comes out :rock:

playdoh43 02-16-2007 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by 23109VC
i can't believe this thread hit 12 pages.... wow....

i guess you havnt seen a 350Z thread yet...

Ike 02-16-2007 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by 23109VC
i can't believe this thread hit 12 pages.... wow....

i probably will go out and test drive an EVO sometime soon. I may try the STi too. they are kind of the same thing...different brand..same type of car. four door turbo rally rockets...

I'd like to find a Mitsu dealer in the same area as the Mazda dealer.and take the same fun twisty roads..do it back to back... before I forget what it's like... you drive a car on one weekend, anothe rone the next weekend, and it's very hard to compare.

I was NOT aware that the current evo lacks side airbags. that sucks. i want a fun car, but i'd also like SOME degree of safety.

my S60R was about as safe as you can get in a sporty car.... but that car had to go. i really want somethign lighter and more tossable. if I could have anythign, heck, i might get an S2000...but I really don't want only 2 seats. i have kids...and while I *could* get an S2000 as a third car...and keep my current beater sedan for to/from work... i really don't want three cars. the RX8 would give me the feel ofa two seater....but with the ability to shuttle th ekids around if I needed to.

:)

one drawback to the EVO...is that I"m one of those people who has this constant need/desire to MOD cars. I always am thinking fo somethign to buy for the car, exhaust, springs, sway bars, strut bars, etc etc.. My S60R was pretty modified...and I spent a fair amount of $$ on it... and now that I sold it...I sort of wish I had done a lot less to it. I'd have more $$ in the bank... :) I promised my wife that the next car I would leave STOCK... she laughed at me and said "yeah right" cause she knows that i'll want to mod something.... and yeah...I'll tint the windows, do clear corner lenses... but if I had an EVO...OMFG... I'd want to do a turbo back exhaust, flash the ECU, and add more power...i'd be adding a boost gauge...i'd want to do all that stuff to it..and on an EVO...jsut a turbo back and flash can change it from a 13 second car to a high 12 second car.... big big gains.

the Rx8 on the other hand...is the kind of car that you CAN mod...but honestly..you're not gonna get big gains outo f it..you could do sways , strut bars...and probably get nice gains in handling...but really...you could add $2000 in intake/exhaust/flywheel...and have a car that is really not *that* much faster than stock...and for someone like me..who is trying to resist the urge to mod..and just buy it and enjoy it....the 8 might be a safe choice. i could do some cheapy things...like strut bars, tint.... but the urge to add a cat back might not be there b/c i know it really won't add any power... not much...not to justifhy the $$ and hassle from the wife.. ;) wheras the EVO.... me buying an EVO and saying I won't mod it...would be like giving a crack addict a torch and crack pipe....and then tell them not to go look for crack.... ;) you get the idea...

besides, the 8 was FUN FUN FUN. and i've had rotaries. i had a 79 RX and I had a 87 Turbo II. both fun cars..but they blew motors.. :(

funny thing.. when I test drove the rX8 I felt this buzz in the shifter...and it was deja vu.... i remembered my 79 RX7 buzzing the exact same way.... i had totally forgotten aboutg it.... but the 8 did it the same way. mazda thing? rotary thing? i liked it..reminded me of my old 7.... which was my very first car when i turned 16.... not a bad car for a 16 year old eh?? yeah it was used and had 85k miles on it...but it was clean, and ..guess what.. I modded it... RB headers..exhaust, ported motor...suspension... oh yeah...EVERY car i've owned since age 16 has been tinkered with.... i'm trying to stop the insanity... ;)

so the 8 might be a good choice... and maybe i'm just hopeless and i'll get an RX8 and wind up wthi a greddy turbo kit.... aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh :cwm27:

Just an FYI, Quite a few Evos run high 12s stock. About $1000 and you have a low 12s capable car.

Razz1 02-16-2007 10:16 PM

^ ^ pretty good rice.

BlueRenesis82 02-16-2007 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by Razz1
^ ^ pretty good car.

i know!

Shinka-Dono 02-17-2007 12:36 AM

Test drive. Then decide. There is nothing more to do than that except driving a friends or doing an overnight test drive.

I'd have both the goddamn things if I could afford it and a good number of other cars too. We should all have multiple cars to suit our mood.

Figure out what mood you're in the most.

elysium19 04-10-2007 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by QBallz
I like the EVO a lot. It's a super awsome car, the only reason I went with the rx8 is because my fascination with Rotary engines.


HAH- No deep-seated personal offense here, but people who like the EVO more are the same people who use the phrase "super awesome."

dillsrotary 04-10-2007 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by elysium19
HAH- No deep-seated personal offense here, but people who like the EVO more are the same people who use the phrase "super awesome."

you just quoted a response to something someone said 2 months ago.....





















you're super awesome......

Xantium 04-10-2007 07:49 PM

I somehow managed to take one on the interstate... im pretty sure either is ecu had a virus or his cams weren't cammin right. I love anything that is basically a car homologated for wrc but I'd rather have an STi... i have no idea why. RWD is much more pure than awd though.

playdoh43 04-10-2007 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Xantium
I somehow managed to take one on the interstate... im pretty sure either is ecu had a virus or his cams weren't cammin right.

he probably wasnt racing, just going about his own pace with a cup of starbucks coffee in his hand while you stepped on it and was dropping beats of sweat. :p:

Ike 04-10-2007 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by playdoh43
he probably wasnt racing, just going about his own pace with a cup of starbucks coffee in his hand while you stepped on it and was dropping beats of sweat. :p:

He raced a Lancer Ralliart with an Evo wing ;)

NoTears316 04-10-2007 11:16 PM

good job.

Ike 04-10-2007 11:25 PM


Originally Posted by NoTears316
good job.

<nods>

CarAndDriver 04-10-2007 11:44 PM

Mazdaspeed 8!

samurai_luu 04-11-2007 06:50 PM

Check out the more upscale 2008 model and potentially hatch model of the EVO.

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and...r_evolution_x/

http://www.automobilemag.com/future_...n_x_sportback/

I still like the RX-8 over the sedan, but the hatch looks sic!

Ike 04-12-2007 01:02 AM

The hatch won't happen :( If it does I'd be all over it though and would probably cross just about every other car off my list. That is assuming they improve upon the current Evo in all the other things that matter more than looks.

tajabaho1 04-12-2007 01:26 AM

the evo looks cheap, its something of an "all-out-performance" kind of car, which isn't like an Rx-8 which still have the sporty look I guess, however, being asian that I am, I do love the evo, and driving evo in my community means ur a racer or maybe crazy rich bastard, either way, but it still looks like a cheap car for me


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