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RX-8 or STi ?

Old Oct 27, 2003 | 02:15 PM
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If I remember correctly the GTR = Twin Turbo (at least up to R33 body style when I left) GTS-T= Single Turbo GTS-t2.5 was either bigger engine single turbo or all wheel drive single turbo and GTs was the non-turbo. You couldn't tell the difference between the GTR and GTS-t if the emblems were changed (very common) other than performance and looking at the engine.
Yes the GTR is a TT, however much like the Supra TT many people get a larger aftermarket single turbo to replace the stock turbos.
Old Oct 27, 2003 | 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Bigcat44
If I remember correctly the GTR = Twin Turbo (at least up to R33 body style when I left) GTS-T= Single Turbo GTS-t2.5 was either bigger engine single turbo or all wheel drive single turbo and GTs was the non-turbo. You couldn't tell the difference between the GTR and GTS-t if the emblems were changed (very common) other than performance and looking at the engine.
GT-R only came with AWD, it has a different front grill and some other difference.
Old Oct 27, 2003 | 04:43 PM
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Yeah I forgot the AWD feature. Man since we've been going back and forth with this I have been quite curious of the Evo and the STi. I see a lot of the WRXs but how can you tell which one is the STi? I only ask because I live right by a Sub dealer and there are a ton of wrxs. Also the mitsu dealer here has no Evos. I really want to drive one at least the new ones to see how they compare to the J-spec models
Old Oct 27, 2003 | 05:43 PM
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From the outside the easiest difference between the Wrx and Sti is the much bigger hood scoop, gold brembo brake calipers, and especially the huge picnic table wing
Old Oct 27, 2003 | 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by rabinabo
From the outside the easiest difference between the Wrx and Sti is the much bigger hood scoop, gold brembo brake calipers, and especially the huge picnic table wing
STi badging, if it has bugeyes it's not an STi, though might not be an STi if it has the new headlights... Some people (especially before you could get an STi in the US) will add STi badging to a WRX and dress it up with JDM STi parts, both performance and appearance. Probably the best way to tell is the wheels and the Brembos. The hoodscoop is a pretty common replacement on the WRX and there are certainly more than a few regular WRXs with the STi scoop and wing and vice versa. Quite a few STi people have been swapping STi trunks for regular WRX trunks which is what I will do should I ever own one. If you can get close to the car the interior is the biggest giveaway, the blue trim and red STi dials in particular. Now that the STis are actually out many of the people that had STi badges on their cars have removed them so the badges are fairly reliable unless you live in a certain... shall we say ricier areas. But then you've got all the people that debadge everything which is also very very common :p

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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by Bigcat44
Yeah I forgot the AWD feature. Man since we've been going back and forth with this I have been quite curious of the Evo and the STi. I see a lot of the WRXs but how can you tell which one is the STi? I only ask because I live right by a Sub dealer and there are a ton of wrxs. Also the mitsu dealer here has no Evos. I really want to drive one at least the new ones to see how they compare to the J-spec models
Brembos, on Evo and STI.
Old Dec 19, 2003 | 02:58 PM
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Hi,

for me it's not a question. The 8 for the looks and it's uniqueness.

And for the price... for us in Hungary the price of a HP 8 with lot's of stuff vs a WRX STI is about 9 : 14!!!! Similar for an EVO.

So it's as simple as this for me.

Anyway I already have an AWD GT car so I was looking for something for a daily driver.....

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Old Dec 22, 2003 | 04:13 PM
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daily driver? I love that!

I'd love to get an Evo just for the hell of it. It would be fun in the snow up here and a lovely addition to the garage of rotary power.
Old Dec 22, 2003 | 09:49 PM
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Re: RX-8 or STi ?

Originally posted by Xyntax
Damn it!!! I was already set on getting the RX-8 until I realized what a disappointment it was (for me) that the power is not even close to 200hp and gas mileage is like it's running V8 @ 400hp! Anyways, a thought flashed in while I was flying down to Newport beach from San Jose. Looking at the Salinas area's open grounds I thought about how great it would be to go offroading there. And then... the idea of getting Subaru WRX STi came to me.

Its not that offroading is the only reason to get the STi over the RX-8 but many more. Anyways, aside from the looks (i know RX-8 wins hands down) could you RX-8 fans and owners give me points why I should not get the STi over RX-8? Like say, engine probs, transmission probs, bad ride, etc etc...

The reason I want you to is because at the time I first wanted the RX-8, I was looking for reasons why I should not get it. And then I found them...

HELP

STI will have a much harsher ride. RX8 has handling of a sports car and harshness of a Sports sedan.

STI will kill RX8 in performance, but STI is nothing but performance. RX8 has luxury to back up its looks and performance.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 12:01 AM
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I would say go for the 8. It's a better sports car in my opinion and the handling will more than make up for the power.

Then again, I do have a V-8 running @ 400hp and it gets better mileage so I suppose my power cravings are well fed...

It's a '02 Z28 in case anyone was interested.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 02:43 AM
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Cool

Let's put it this way, I can buy a volkswagen bug, and spend thousands of dollars on it and beat a friggin ferrari in a straight away. But I don't think anyone is gonna really pass over the ferrari and say hey, I want that buuuuuuuug. The truth is, you can make any ugly fookin car powered up and that's exactly what the STI and Evo are. For god's sake man, look at the damn design. The Evo is just a sup'd up Lancer and the STI is just some ugly crap design from the 70's with all the fixins. Its like a woman/man with the perfect bod, but the face is totally fugly. I guess for some people all you gotta do is put a bag over them and they're ok with it. Guess you can do the same for the sti and evo, just don't look at it lol.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 02:52 AM
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There has been just as much bashing of the 8s styling by car periodicals as there has been for the EVO and the STi. Looks are too subjective and should be an afterthought when comparing cars.

Whoops... almost forgot <smacks the person that revived this thread>
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
There has been just as much bashing of the 8s styling by car periodicals as there has been for the EVO and the STi. Looks are too subjective and should be an afterthought when comparing cars.
I disagree.

If your mission in life is to tear past every other car in creation to try to prove something, get a car with a good engine and 4 wheel drive like the STi or EvoVIII, and to hell with the looks.

However if you want something that drives well, and gives as much pleasure from the outside, you wont be happy with a family saloon, no matter how much body kit has been glued on to it.

So the STi is faster than an RX8 in a straight line, and its faster round the corners too. I'm not loosing any sleep about it.

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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by IkeWRX
There has been just as much bashing of the 8s styling by car periodicals as there has been for the EVO and the STi. Looks are too subjective and should be an afterthought when comparing cars.

Whoops... almost forgot <smacks the person that revived this thread>
An afterthought? Uhh yea you're right. I gotta have that wrx. I mean look at the cool intake thingy on the hood. I haven't seen on of those since the 70's vetts! Gotta have that! Oh oh and the coooool gold pimpy rims. Must have! Matches perfectly with the peukish blue! Yea, whatever dude. Look at the damn cars. First thing anyone sees is the design of the car you're driving, not the engine unless you drive hoodless lol. Anyone think the wrx design is better than the other 3 cars? That's what i thought. Totally agree with ya Dave.

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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by skagen




An afterthought? Uhh yea you're right. I gotta have that wrx. I mean look at the cool intake thingy on the hood. I haven't seen on of those since the 70's vetts! Gotta have that! Oh oh and the coooool gold pimpy rims. Must have! Matches perfectly with the peukish blue! Yea, whatever dude. Look at the damn cars. First thing anyone sees is the design of the car you're driving, not the engine unless you drive hoodless lol. Anyone think the wrx design is better than the other 3 cars? That's what i thought. Totally agree with ya Dave.
That "WRX"( an STI) sits four people better and is is faster in a straightline and the twisties....of course....that doesn't matter when looks reign supreme? Now, what was I thinking when I said many on this board appear vain?
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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Here are some good comparison shots:





Here is mine:



Old Dec 23, 2003 | 11:04 AM
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That "WRX"( an STI) sits four people better and is is faster in a straightline and the twisties....of course....that doesn't matter when looks reign supreme? Now, what was I thinking when I said many on this board appear vain?
LOL, vain...what's the point of buying a sports car if it doesn't look good? Ok, then why don't you just go buy a fooking bus, add some nos, headers, exhausts turbos, and there you have your dream car right? Seats 60, and its fast as hell. Who gives a sh@# if it looks crappy, it goes fast! Whatevers man, I made my point, look at the damn cars. We all conceded already that the wrx, evo, and such have waaay greater hp and acceleration so to compare that is just simply dumb, but it just as dumb to compare their designs as its quite obvious. I'm done with this thread. Hey Hanzo nice pics, what meet is that?
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 11:59 AM
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honestly for right now i went with ther rx8 hands down for the looks. The STI is one sick puppy, when it comes speed. test drive both and that should do it for u. if u like the smooth ride. the eight is your choice.If u dont care for a bummpy ride but want speed go with the sti. iv been in one and in an evo both feel like crap compared to the eight. but good luck on the choice.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 12:32 PM
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LOL, vain...what's the point of buying a sports car if it doesn't look good? Ok, then why don't you just go buy a fooking bus, add some nos, headers, exhausts turbos, and there you have your dream car right? Seats 60, and its fast as hell. Who gives a sh@# if it looks crappy, it goes fast! Whatevers man, I made my point, look at the damn cars. We all conceded already that the wrx, evo, and such have waaay greater hp and acceleration so to compare that is just simply dumb, but it just as dumb to compare their designs as its quite obvious. I'm done with this thread. Hey Hanzo nice pics, what meet is that?
This is one ridiculous post! Putting aside your highly credible bus argument, I think being fast is more important than the illusion of that. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer function over form.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 12:56 PM
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I didn't mean that being fast isn't important. That's why I said the wrx and evo are obviously superior in speed when compared to rx8, but if you're talking about looks, then its obvious rx8, 350Z, NSX and such are obviously more asthetically appealing. But its like you said, some prefer power over looks, some looks over power, and some a mix. I myself, prefer a mix of the two.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 01:03 PM
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LOL, vain...what's the point of buying a sports car if it doesn't look good?

Classic!
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 01:14 PM
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Oh, man... yes, the irony is thick!

Let me illustrate... the Ferrari Enzo. I think it's ugly.

So why would I want it? Um, because it's a sports car that eats nearly all others for breakfast.

But if I applied the "look good" logic, I wouldn't drive it.

This thread is getting seriously pointless... get what you like, don't try to convince others to get what *you * like and be done with it. Drive happily. The end.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 01:31 PM
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Exactly, so you'd want something that has a mix right? I mean if I wanted nothing, but power I'd just go buy a 1990 civic hatchback and deck it out so it smokes just about anything else on the road. Its what a lot of people do, especially high school kids just so they can say "yea man, my civic hatchback smoked a Viper." But it wouldn't be very classy would it? Oh wait, forgot class and presentation don't matter apparently according to Ike, just look like sh@# and go fast. lol.
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 05:59 PM
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*wonders why thread wasn't closed 10 pages ago*
Old Dec 23, 2003 | 06:02 PM
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Btw i like this quote from the R32 vs RX8 article.

And that's a stroke of genius straight off. The RX-8 isn't just the world's only rotary-engined car, it has no direct rivals at all. Does this make it an outcast? In a sense it does. But it also means it will be gatecrashing some of the best parties in town. Few BMW 325i drivers can have given a thought to what it would take to get them inside a Mazda showroom. They will now. Audi TT owners, too. And aspiring Nissan 350Z pilots. Even the hardcore hot hatch brigade. The RX-8 isn't mucho-macho, but how can you ignore 228bhp at 8200rpm, a 9400rpm red-line, a shape that makes even the Alfa 147 GTA's look straight-laced, and backward opening rear doors with more kerbside theatre than a row of Merc SLs in hood stow mode? You can't. And, at £22,000 for this, the more powerful of the two models, you shouldn't.

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