jonalan

I could not disagree more. After driving the RSX-S for over a year, the visibility was AWFUL! The RX-8 is like driving a convertible with the top down compared to the RSX-S, in regards to visibility.
Wrong! Maybe 2 mpg. I average about 19.5 in the RX-8. I averaged around 21-22 in the RSX-S.
Nope. My insurance went down about $60 when I trade the RSX-S for the RX-8.

racerdave

RX-8 shifter rubbery and vague?

Must not have drove the same car I did...

bkterry13

^ Compared to the RSX shifter. Compared to most it's pretty precise. It's all relative.

^^ was there a whole in your fuel tank on your RSX-S? Maybe you stayed above the VTEC changeover constantly? I've never heard of anyone getting mileage that low on that car. Most people get 27-28 mixed driving, and many people get 35 mpg on the highway.

revhappy

That was my experience as the RSX-S was less low-slung and had more rear visibility. In fact, I have no been in any similar 2X2-like car with as much rear visibility.

As was stated in the post before mine, most people at least equal the EPA stimates (27.5 MPG in mixed driving) and from a poll on here most got 18 MPG or less for the RX8.


Perhaps, but let's see how this turns out after a couple of years( i.e. when the insurance companies get knowledgable about the RX8).

jdmlover79

hey! let's not make rsx type-s vs rx-8
and DON"T say it is POS.
if it is..... i can start whole bunch of down things about rx-8 but let's not go that far cuz i love rsx type-s and rx-8.

i don't think i wasted money on my rsx type-s, the reason i wanna buy rx-8 is looks better (in my opinion) and less noisy etc.
but i love rsx just the way it perform.

thax for rplays guys ^^

p.s. dam i can't wait until i get new ride ^^

jonalan

Oops, my bad. That must have been the car prior to the RSX, a Lexus IS300. .....nevermind :D

jdmlover79

dam !
i want rx-8 so badly now dam it ^^
but i am kinda sad about my rsx type-s
i have to say good bye
good bye vtec

p.s. how come no one saying welcome to rx-8 forum ?

bkterry13

^ yeah, what he said :-)

They're both great cars, and their aren't supposed to compete with each other.

The RSX-S is a low $20's sporty hatchback and the RX-8 is a high $20's sports car with real world functionality.

jdmlover79, I think you'll really enjoy you're RX-8. You should be able to get a good trade-in on your car as the RSX holds it's value VERY well.

93rdcurrent

Revhappy,

I have to say that I am uncertain about the RSX S and its' handling ability? I have never driven the RSX S but I did drive a friends Integra Type R (the real thing not one with a faux sticker). And it certainly didn't handle as well as my RX-8. I have owned several sports cars, some that have been modified heavly and some like my RX-8 that were stock. My RX-8 is the only car that has handled as well as my M3 did while remaining stock. The 50/50 weight distrubution and rear wheel drive are perfect for on the track. It may do better if it was AWD in the rain or snow but without seriously spending more on brakes, suspension and tires we have a fantastic car for handling. Don't get me wrong if I was used to driving a front wheel drive with 60/40 weight distribution the RX-8 would feel weird while cornering.

Now as far as brakes go... If I can slow down later into the turn and hold my grip better in the turn I will be faster than another car which would be required to break earlier and (with a front wheel drive) potentially need to accelerate later will loose every time on the track. Better brakes are very important when racing. I would even like to see a turbo version of the RX-8 with some nice Brembo (or the like) calipers and slotted disks. What would my stopping power be then?

Now for those of you who think that the RX-8 has "rubbery feeling" shifting... I am a little bit confused. Mazda has some fantastic short throw shifters in their cars. The Miata was well known for its' short throw. With the RX-8, Mazda went a step further, and practically fused the engine, transmission and driveline together. What did this do for us? Well for one we loose less hp in the driveline. I have noticed an increased feel in the shifting over my M3 which BMW prides themselves on the feel of the road and car. I have driven many different cars and without spending another $30k or more I can't find a car that has better feel for the gear box (without after market mods of course). Again if I have been driving an Acura for some time and try to switch over to a different car my regular commuter will feel better. Why? because that is what I am used to. I have seen people on the street in Honda's beat Porche's at the start simply because they new how and where to shift their cars. Having a better shifter doesn't make you faster if you aren't familiar with it.

I am not trying to ruffle any feathers but quite often the feeling of power or shifting is a subjective matter and familiarity will almost always make a difference .

jdmlover79

thank you ^^

bkterry13

^^ the RSX-S does NOT handle as well as the RX-8.

It's one of the best handling FWD cars I've even driven, but it can't touch the RX-8.

The RX-8 is the best handling car I've even driven.

You may be right about the shifter, it may just take some getting used to.

jdmlover79

as handling wise rsx type-s is not that great (i drove my car for good 2 years now and i love to go track)
it has too much body rolls but i don't know about rx-8 (i never drive rx-8 at track or doing hard cornering).

but again rsx is graet car too ^^

93rdcurrent

Oh yeah don't let me forget about the re-sale value. The Miata and the RX-7 have held their values very well traditionally and I even got a discount on my insurance for my RX-8 due to it's projected re-sale value. This is truelly a one of a kind car and even if it becomes as popular as the Integra/RSX has been in the past it will still hold its value because it doesn't have the competition in the market place from Honda, Acura, Toyota, Subaru, Etc. No one else makes the rotary (wankel) engine right now on a mass production car.

BRx8

what did you expect creating a thread called "is rx-8 a lot slower than rsx type-s?" on an RX-8 forum full of RX-8 enthusiasts? poorly labelled threads will create such types of debates

donald121

"is rx-8 a lot slower than rsx type-s?"

let's answer the thread.

Stock RX-8 is faster than stock RSX-S.
Stock RX-8 is faster than RSX-S with CAI.
Stock RX-8 is slower than RSX-S with hondatech.

There's a lot of heavily moded RSX-S out there and they are faster than our RX-8.

So, the answer is NO. RX-8 is not "a lot slower" than rsx-s.

p.s. both are nice cars

takahashi

My friend is funkyR at the clubrsx.com. He has a DC5 Type R (same as your Type S). He was so impress of my 8 that he raced his with mine. No comparison - after 2 corners in the mountain - don't see him in the rear mirror at all

jdmlover79

firstable read my threat from the beginning, i didn't say rx-8 is slower. i am just asking a question.
so you think becuz of title one can say POS to other person's car?

jdmlover79

thank you for answering my question.
some of info you have is not rite but i won't go over that cuz i am not here or made this threat to be rsx type-s vs rx-8.

jdmlover79

nice one yo

i believe rx-7 was legned in japan so i hope rx-8 will be a legend too ^^

donald121

Yeah, I think everyone is beginning too sensitive. My friend has a rsx-s, it's a pretty nice car. There's a lot of after market parts for the rsx-s. With all those mods, rsx-s can be faster than 8 easily, but just stock to stock, 8 is faster.

Anyways, welcome to the forum.

jdmlover79

thax
dam you have nice looking car yo ^^

revhappy

I strongly disagree in regards to the RX8 being a better handling car than the ITR. The ITR is tuned to go right form the showroom to the racetrack and has done extremely well in sports car racing. The RX8 certainly has the better platform, but it is tuned way too soft to compete. There are always compromises in engineering, and that nice ride does come with a price - reduced handling ability.

IMHO, the tune of the car is more important than the theoretically better platform - unless you want spend serious money and time with it (experimenting with different setups) and are willing to always have a "tuner car" feeling when you drive it.

I totally agree and I think that is why the RX8 should beat the RSX-S on a road course.

Well, that drivetrain must not be doing a great job at reducing power losses according to Mazda's estimate of 238 Engine HP when dyno's and real world experience suggest its much closer to 220 HP. I agree with the shifter comment and that's all the more reason to drive your car! :D

93rdcurrent

Revhappy,
Just as an FYI going from 238hp at the flywheel to 220hp at the rear wheels is about 9.5% drop on power where the normal range is between 15-20%. So drive train loss could reflect 202.3hp-190.4hp at the rear wheels with a less efficient drivetrain. So the RX-8 does pretty well. But of course you can always take into consideration that with the extra money you save on the RSX-S you could probably add a turbo and intercooler and make up for the drivetrain that way.

Keep in mind that the RX-8 does have the DSC/Traction Control so I can hit corners harder with more confidence. This doesn't totally make up for a stiffer suspension but it does help.

I had a '91 Toyota MR2 with heavy mods and we had it at 575hp. I put TSW Evo 17" wheels on it with Nitto exit GT 501 tires, Eibach Pro Springs and Koni 8-way adjustable shocks. My suspension was capable on the track let's say but when I had it dialed in for the track you wouldn't want to be a passenger driving on a bumpy road unless you were used to some serious Autocross on dirt roads. (No, the car never saw dirt roads).

BRx8

i've never called the RSX a POS...in actuality, this is the first time i've even talked about an RSX outside of a conversation i've had inside one with a friend that owns it...besides that i don't really think too much of them, i'm still very partial to the Integra Type R's of which the RSX was born from...i never truly liked the smaller, more compact, more triangular new form of the Integras...

i'm only responding to your amazement at how this turned into an RSX vs. RX-8 debate...it's because of your title...look at it! pretty much speaks for itself...

downshift

About the IT-R, I've recently started a thread on it here:

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=16398

I was about to get the RX-8 but a friend offered to sell his to me. I was debating with myself whether the refinement and looks of the '8 would justify the extra 9k (i'm getting only the 6MT Sports package) over the price of a used IT-R when I could "theoretically" have similar amount of performance and driving fun. So, 93rdcurrent, drop by this thread if you have more insights on the value of the IT-R