captain mercury

sometimes Ike makes me angry when I read his posts, but he adds some spice to this forum. Not only that but his criticisms remind me of the reason i like this this car which is the driving experience. it may not do 'this' better or 'that' better but ive never enjoyed driving any car as much (although my experiences are pretty limited). plus it looks kick-*******-***.
anyway, i dont understand Ike or why he spends the time here that he does, but at least its a fresh POV that we can all have fun disagreeing with.

peace

rotarygod

I've taken a road trip in an RX-8. It drives great and is comfortable. My only gripe is the gas mileage but then again I am used to high 30's in freeway mpg so of course I would feel that way. I don't see any issues with the RX-8 in terms of ride quality or comfort on long trips. I wouldn't try to take 4 people on a road trip in it but for 1 or 2 it's fine. This is a personal issue but I wish the RX-8 seats had more lumbar support than they do. For long trips I really need it. That's not to hard to fix though and it is just my personal preference.

Nemesis8

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Drove 1183 miles one way in two days in the 8. Fun on the twisties and not that bad on the straights, but I think I need those JDM knee pad thingees

On a side note, I think we all need a ride in Ike's EVO!

zoom44

and what a boring place it would be if everyone with a different opinion then yours stayed away. if its irrelevant to you why respond to his pinions?

not everyone agrees with your assesment.

and my previous statement on this subject which i stand by -

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...61&postcount=2

and raptor- ike has made it completly clear as to why he posts on this forum even tho he shouldnt have to justify himself to you or anyone else.

Raptor2k

Oh ok, no problem, I'll continue to get back chills whenever he implies his irrational resentment for the car.

RX Renesis

what's wrong with raptor? what do u have against IDK? all IDK did was answer the question asked by one of the fourm members and now u start going off at him... so what if he doesn't own a RX8, I dont own a RX8 so what? do i care? and there are many members here who posts here and don't own a RX8. Is there such rule stating that since we don't oen an RX8 we can't be here?

IDK is probally the only one who posts non-bais points about the RX8 on a RX8 forum, which is good because most of you are bais towards your own car...

Also in this thred, only IDK and a few members actually answered the question giving actual reasons backing up his answer, the rest of the people who posted jsut answered "drive the 8 because i love it sooooooo much"... now don't get me wrong, i love the RX8 too...

give IDK a break, i'm on his side

Raptor2k

It's 'Ike'...did I ever say there was a rule? No, I'm just asking why, and he obviously doesn't want to answer. He is nearing 5000 posts and he clearly doesn't think the car is an enjoyable one. Can you tell me why he posts here? Is he on a mission to make us look stupid for purchasing an 8, 5 times a day? You post here because you seem to love the car.

If you think Ike is the only member who doesn't give unbiased opinions, then you're very wrong. I questioned his opinion on his GTI, because I don't see why space is an issue in a car (a vehicle with a driver's seat).

Oh, and to answer your other questions, just search my posts, "noob"

Next?

Rupes

Just to point out a few things according to car and driver as you said. Car and driver rates the RX8 at 5.9 sec 0-60 and to 100 in 16.0 sec. vs VW's 6.6 and 17 sec 100 MPH time. Granted were talking about an auto trans in the volks (which they call a 6 speed auto-manual), but do you really think a 6 speed manual would make that much of a difference using the same engine and same 6 speed format?

RX8 tops out at 145 MPH vs the VW's 128, not that anyone should be remotely fast to those numbers but if I had to be traveling at 100+MPH I'd take the RX8 due to it’s lightness and comfort. The one thing this car is always praised for is its balance at high speed, something that would be very nice on the freeway. And according to Car and driver again on a 450 mile trip the VW got 16MPG average. And the RX8 has a larger fuel tank also. So that pretty much refuted everything you said, right?


I could really care less which car you would rather drive. It's just really not like you to make a statement without looking into it more first. Next time just say you like the VW better for cosmetic reasons or something.

cjkim

I don't think he ever said he didn't like the car or that it wasn't enjoyable. Time after time, (not just referring to that post a on the other page) he's commented the rx8 is good for what it is... a reasonably spaced, affordable, 4 passenger, 4 "door" "sports" car with a decent trunk that handles well, accelerates well, rides well, but quite not spectacular at any one of them. I don't think that shows any sign of resentment in anyway. Sure, he doesn't like the car enough to buy it because it doesn't suit HIS needs, but that's true for the millions of other people who buy different cars.

Either way, why does it matter to you what his reasons for posting on this forum are? Does it honestly affect you in anyway when he posts something you don't like? This is an internet forum... let's try not to take it too seriously.

torbee

I don't think anyone dispute Ike's right to post what he does.

What some people question is his motive.

I mean, I really don't care all that much for Harley-Davidson motorcycles. Yet, I have absolutely no desire to go find some Harley club website and post 4,000-plus posts on why those kind of motorcycles really aren't that great.

You have to admit, it's a bit eccentric behavior.

(and now,, I'm off to go post on the vanilla ice cream lovers website on why chocolate ripple is vastly superior)

zoom44

i can tell you his motive its really easy to understand. but it wont make a difference to the people who would just rather assume he's a troll because he has a different opinion.

he likes the car. he was thinkign abotu gettign one. but he was disappointed in itwhen he finally got in one. it didnt wow him. but along the way he found our forum and found people he likes to have conversations with. so he keeps posting.

i think that vanilla vs fudge ripple is an excellent topic. make sure you link us to the thread when you get it started. http://www.topix.net/food/ice-cream

Slick8

get a life

alchemist

How did a simple question about which of three choices you would prefer on a highway trip turn into an Ike bashing session. I may have a low post count but have been on this site for over a year so I have read many of Ike's posts. You may not agree with him but if you read his posts he makes alot of good points. I for one appreciate his unbiased comments about the 8 as well as other cars.

hondasr4kids

I drove my 8 from South Carolina to California and I will never do it again. My knee was killing me for 2 weeks. But I don't hate the car. I think is it a blast to drive but for long trips, I take anything that has more room inside. The trunk is okay, the problem is the small opening. In this case I take GTI specially if it has a VR6. The Mini is fast but is not quite and it has no room for storage. So yes I agree with Ike on this one.

MazdaRich

Unfortunately I had to read 5 pages of IkeTroll to post this, but....

I drive my RX-8 on 1200 mile round trips pretty often and it does okay. I have the cloth seats and they aren't very comfortable for bigger guys on long trips. The leather is probably better. My 2001 Miata LS was a lot more comfortable on long trips, mainly due to the much less aggressive seats. I like the room of the RX-8, though of course. And its quiet. The gas mileage sucks. I get about 20mpg at 75-85mph.

If I had a choice for a long trip I would take a Honda Civic. 38mpg, roomy, nice interior, dead nuts reliable, handles well, adequate power. But we make trade-offs to own such a fine automobile as our RX-8.

Raptor2k

What was hurting your knee?

nolarx8

ike just sell your bikes and get an 8, thats really what you must want

Ike

For one you're taking the 40k mile results after the engine has been freed up, many many cars get faster after the break in the VW should be no different. That same RX-8 when new (The GTI was new) ran 17.5 0-100. However the new generation GTI they tested ran 16.6 0-60 and trapped 95 MPH in auto form, so prettymuch the same as the broken in RX-8 (.1 slower). The GTI they tested was a euro spec car but the cars are supposed to be mechanically identical save for the front bumper placement and ride height is a little different. But hypothetically they should be the same performance wise. Now considered that I was never talking about from a stop so the GTI doesn't have to worry about its FWD handicap from a dig, it'll have plenty of traction on the highway. All that said I see no reason why the new GTI in manual form won't be a little faster than the AT and also a little faster than the RX-8. However, both are so damn close that I would never base my decision on that, it's just a perk.

Not sure where you're getting these numbers from but the new GTI is drag limited to 141, not 128. C&D also observed 22mpg in their test so strictly highway should be up there for MPG, certainly higher than an RX-8 is capable of. In addition, the new GTI makes 207 lb-ft @ 1800 rpm, can you say passing power when you want it without having to downshift? Next time you're driving your RX-8 try punching it when you're cruisin on the highway at or below 3000rpms.

Lastly, if it's a warm day when I'm making the trip the GTI would be favored even more by me since the AC on the RX-8 is notoriously weak.

Now that I've refuted your refutement, it appears maybe you're the one that should look into things a little more.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=2

'06 GTI:
Power (SAE net): 197 bhp @ 5100 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 207 lb-ft @ 1800 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual with automated shifting and clutch
Wheelbase: 101.5 in
Length/width/height: 166.0/69.3/57.7 in
Curb weight: 3178 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 6.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 28.3 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.8 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.7 sec @ 95 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 141 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 162 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g
European fuel economy, urban cycle: 22 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy: 22 mpg


C&Ds longterm test RX-8 when new:
Power (SAE net): 238 bhp @ 8500 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 159 lb-ft @ 5500 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Zero to 60 mph 6.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph 36.6 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph 7.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 15.1 sec @ 93 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph 153 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad — 0.88 g (at 40k)
Top speed (drag limited) 144 mph

BARRY WINFIELD
"L.A. to Phoenix, all freeway, and this thing is getting only 19 mpg. It's a six-speed, for Pete's sake! So there is a reason no other car company has developed a rotary."

PAT BEDARD
"Sports car or convection oven? I haven't felt A/C this weak since the Honda Accord of the late '80s."

Just so people don't get all upset, I included the quotes to support my argument, I fully know that C&D loves the RX-8 as a whole, and for good reason.

To those of you that supported me in this thread, thanks much! I'm not here to bash the 8, I'm here to talk about cars with a community that I like. I also rather enjoy these debates when they don't get nasty. I've made tons of friends on this forum, appreciate that friendship, even though none of you bastards came to my defense in this thread Maybe I'll just ditch you guys and make friends with some of the people that had nice things to say about me in this thread!

Ike

You and Raptor should get together since you seem to enjoy repeating the same nonsense over and over again.

carbonRX8

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FWIW, I am going to side with Ike on this one despite his eccentricities. Life is more interesting with dissent; and infinitely more progressive.

Besides, The RX8 has an eccentric shaft and Ike is an eccentric shaft. There's your connection.

Anyone that drives and Evo is golden in my book.

BunnyGirl

Sorry Ike!!! I just got around to reading this thread. You're okay!

You put some thought into your answers and opinions instead of mouthing off.

I think Raptor is a little "testy" today.

BlueEyes

Isn't there a fat chick you should be cuddling up next to ike?

Ike

Don't make me put your quote back in my sig., cause I'll do it!

BoosTED

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Which were the choices again? All I can remember is poor Ike getting ganged up on.

I would choose the 8 because of the longer wheelbase of 106.4 inches. 5 inches doesn't seem like much to make a deal about but it does make a difference on how it rides. The Mini has a 97.1 inch, and the VW has a 101.5 inches.

That and how quite the engine is cruising down the road (with stock exhaust )

Why is a standing start faster than a street start with the GTI?!

http://www.caranddriver.com/article...1&page_number=2

'06 GTI:

Zero to 60 mph: 6.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 28.3 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.8 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.7 sec @ 95 mph

Can't say I haven't asked Ike the same questions a lot of you have asked but if he didn't like the car I think he may have stopped posting long ago.
Although at least half of his posts are commenting on other's comments on his comments. Similar to Mugatu's posts on searching. (which he seems to have cut down on

Japan8

^^ all you can remember is poor Ike getting gang raped?!

Among the three choices... I'd go RX-8. Not because of fanboy-ism... I don't even own a 8 (yet). Not because I think it's the more practical ride for a 5 hour trip (and that really is what both Ike and RG posted). I would get the RX-8 simply because... reports are that the Mini has even more problems than their parent (BMW). VW... you could search THIS site and find a bunch of posts complaining about the issues they'd had with the cars. Lastly... F&%$# FWD cars. I seriously hate them. My weany-*** Familia S-Wagon (Protege5) is slow as dirt... even on the highway, but it had decent low-end torque. This damn thing is auto (no MT in the top model in JDM) and talk about torque steer when you get on it! Not to mention worrying about freaking CV joints... ... and we'll toss in RG's beloved civic... Honda and their shitty timing belts and valve setup (search the forum and see my many posts on it). Styling... personally... the hatches strike me as a little less mature...

So no Ike and RG... I gotta disagree. I'd get the 8, because even when taking the rotary engine into consideration... you're probably less likely going to have significant (and expensive with German cars) problems... particularly electrical ones... which seem to plague German cars. If VW has actually cleaned up their act... if their quality/reliablity has actually gone up from the worst of the Germans... which is sad, because BMW and Benz aren't that hot either... if VW won't cost me an arm and a leg in repairs and maintenance... I could THINK about it. The FWD thing still is hard to get over.

Now if we were talking about the new R32... the only thing holding me back would be concerns about relability and repair/maintenance costs... which I might be willing to risk. I checked one out at the Tokyo Motorshow... damn nice. Seats are awesome for aggressive driving, but I dunno how it would be for larger (not just taller) people on long trips...

Dat would be my $0.02


NOTE: Ike can be annoying... "King Troll" he called himself at one time. But he is also very knowledgable and truly an enthusiast. As much as he loved Subi, he dumped it for an Evo... that speaks volumes.