is rotary really good?
11-09-2005, 01:33 AM
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is rotary really good?
hi. i have being a rx8 owner for half an year now. 03 6speed black.
i start wondering why i even bought that car now after seeing all the good numbers from many inline 4 cars or flat four cars. but i really want to find my feeling back. because when i bought it, i really love it a lot. i wax and wash the car every weekend. and everyday after school, i will spend one hour to just exam and dust off all the dirts. i used to love the car with my heart. since is winter here in vancouver, the car is my garage everyday hardly drive it at all.
after reading about all the new cars, i am confused.
why there are people love rotary engine when it is not a better engine at all. it has a poor fuel economy and heats up easily. low torque. and no acceleration at high RPM.
can some body please tell me why?
i need to find my pride against those piston heads again.
i start wondering why i even bought that car now after seeing all the good numbers from many inline 4 cars or flat four cars. but i really want to find my feeling back. because when i bought it, i really love it a lot. i wax and wash the car every weekend. and everyday after school, i will spend one hour to just exam and dust off all the dirts. i used to love the car with my heart. since is winter here in vancouver, the car is my garage everyday hardly drive it at all.
after reading about all the new cars, i am confused.
why there are people love rotary engine when it is not a better engine at all. it has a poor fuel economy and heats up easily. low torque. and no acceleration at high RPM.
can some body please tell me why?
i need to find my pride against those piston heads again.
11-09-2005, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Soundave
Do you really need someone to make you feel better about buying the RX-8?? 
high RPM. that sounds cool 9000. but. when i drove it, i found out that there are more acceleration in 6000-7000 range instead of 8000-9000 range. so what is the point of HIGH RPM when we have the acceleration at lower RPM.
so please why is rotary much better of then pisons. what makes many of you rotary enthusia like ROTARY GOD. (a smart guy)
11-09-2005, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RX8_Ownz
One solution :
Sell your car asap and get a new car which your friends give applause.
Sell your car asap and get a new car which your friends give applause.
all i want to know is why you guys are so crazy about when there is hardly any reason.
11-09-2005, 03:38 AM
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Because despite all the things you say, we know we have a kick-*** car (for proof take a look at http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view...=26&nid=121878) that can handle four people proud of being in it instead of two.
If you do not like it, just sell it.
If you do not like it, just sell it.
11-09-2005, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by terrypk1
high RPM. that sounds cool 9000. but. when i drove it, i found out that there are more acceleration in 6000-7000 range instead of 8000-9000 range. so what is the point of HIGH RPM when we have the acceleration at lower RPM.
If you want to feel better, go out and test drive some of these other cars that you think are better. I believe you'll return with a greater respect and love for your car. Except for the Lotus Elise and the Honda S2000, I doubt you'll find a non-turbo 4 banger that provides a better performance package.
11-09-2005, 04:41 AM
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Sad.....
....that has to be one of the saddest posts I've ever read.
You "love it with my heart", you spend hours just detailing it, then when you read some claims about "other cars" you want to sell it, hide it in the garage.
Sad.
You own the car with the highest redline in the world.
You have a real four-door sportscar.
Vancouver doesn't even HAVE a "winter"....get your sad self out, and cruise it on Robson! Get some pride back, and quit obsessing about numbers - if numbers was all that counted, we'd all be driving SRT Neons!
S
By the way....you're not whining, are you?
You "love it with my heart", you spend hours just detailing it, then when you read some claims about "other cars" you want to sell it, hide it in the garage.
Sad.
You own the car with the highest redline in the world.
You have a real four-door sportscar.
Vancouver doesn't even HAVE a "winter"....get your sad self out, and cruise it on Robson! Get some pride back, and quit obsessing about numbers - if numbers was all that counted, we'd all be driving SRT Neons!
S
By the way....you're not whining, are you?
11-09-2005, 05:41 AM
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I looked at your last bunch of thread posts...bitch...bitch...bitch I think you are losing your grasp on reality! For example you said about the Solstice (which, by the way is not true):
"one more example why to sell your 8. even pontiac can make faster and realitvaely sports car now. freak. what is the point with my rotary. "
Here's the best solution (and I'm assuming after reading your posts that you don't have the $$ to do much about your 8-dis-satisfaction.... go test drive some of these "so much faster...so much better" you obsess about....if they'll let you, wring them out to 9K (or 8..or 7...or more likely 6000 rpm) like you do you 8, see how it feels...check out their real world acceleration potential....go flying around some corners and see how stable the are at speed.
I think you find many cars are crap in the real world feeling compared to their 'numbers' you are so obsessing about. And if you find one that isn't ,,,welll save your pennies and buy it and you'll feel better for a short time until you start this obsession all over again
I think you are losing your grasp on reality! For example you said about the Solstice (which, by the way is not true): "one more example why to sell your 8. even pontiac can make faster and realitvaely sports car now. freak. what is the point with my rotary. "
Here's the best solution (and I'm assuming after reading your posts that you don't have the $$ to do much about your 8-dis-satisfaction.... go test drive some of these "so much faster...so much better" you obsess about....if they'll let you, wring them out to 9K (or 8..or 7...or more likely 6000 rpm) like you do you 8, see how it feels...check out their real world acceleration potential....go flying around some corners and see how stable the are at speed.
I think you find many cars are crap in the real world feeling compared to their 'numbers' you are so obsessing about. And if you find one that isn't ,,,welll save your pennies and buy it and you'll feel better for a short time until you start this obsession all over again
11-09-2005, 07:12 AM
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Rotary engines are unique in the automotive world; virtually every other vehicle is a variation of the Otto or Diesel cycle (with the occasional Atkinson or Miller cycle thrown in for fun). For the inherent benefits of rotary, and accepting their flaws, we drive them, same as how people driving piston engine cars love them and accept the flaws of a piston engine.
11-09-2005, 08:36 AM
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I'm an overall sports car guy and I respect and admire all engine types, but since I got my first rotary car (I dreamed for a RX7 back in the day) I'm really impressed by this "little engine".
9K (high rpm range helps it in the track and that's why it can take cars much stronger than it, along with handling/balance of course)
3 Freaken moving parts...how can you not love that?
Fuel economy, for me I'm hitting 19+ with 3 of the past 4 fill up's over 20mpg (CITY driving), so again I pay no attention to this complaint. Honestly, if the RX8 had better gearing this little engine would save alot more gas.
Smoooooooth, not at idle but in every other instance it's a very smooooooooth engine.
Low mass and small size make this a GREAT engine for a sports car.
Also, don't forget that how many pistons it takes to equal 2 rotors regarding HP. How many 2 piston engines out there can produce 238HP?
My LORD man, have you seen the vid's of a 4-rotor or 3-rotor car? They produce HUGE amounts of power yet are still pretty small.
If the rotary engine had the money foundation and research history of the piston engine things would probably be different.
Remember, there are also other types of rotary engines that are in the works which show ALOT of promise regarding the future of the engine.
Sure, it's not perfect and still needs more research and development but in it's present form it aint too shabby.
I love the great American V8, but I've also grown to love this little engine also. I hope it lives up to it's potential.
I stuck to talking about the rotary engine, not the rest of the car which makes this one of the best dang cars on the road today. It’s not just me or the other owners saying it…pic up a mag and see review after review proclaiming this car is pretty dang good.
I hope you fell better and be happy you have such a great car, you could be in a econobox I-4 saving gas but slowing dying inside with every drive.
9K (high rpm range helps it in the track and that's why it can take cars much stronger than it, along with handling/balance of course)
3 Freaken moving parts...how can you not love that?
Fuel economy, for me I'm hitting 19+ with 3 of the past 4 fill up's over 20mpg (CITY driving), so again I pay no attention to this complaint. Honestly, if the RX8 had better gearing this little engine would save alot more gas.
Smoooooooth, not at idle but in every other instance it's a very smooooooooth engine.
Low mass and small size make this a GREAT engine for a sports car.
Also, don't forget that how many pistons it takes to equal 2 rotors regarding HP. How many 2 piston engines out there can produce 238HP?
My LORD man, have you seen the vid's of a 4-rotor or 3-rotor car? They produce HUGE amounts of power yet are still pretty small.
If the rotary engine had the money foundation and research history of the piston engine things would probably be different.
Remember, there are also other types of rotary engines that are in the works which show ALOT of promise regarding the future of the engine.
Sure, it's not perfect and still needs more research and development but in it's present form it aint too shabby.
I love the great American V8, but I've also grown to love this little engine also. I hope it lives up to it's potential.
I stuck to talking about the rotary engine, not the rest of the car which makes this one of the best dang cars on the road today. It’s not just me or the other owners saying it…pic up a mag and see review after review proclaiming this car is pretty dang good.
I hope you fell better and be happy you have such a great car, you could be in a econobox I-4 saving gas but slowing dying inside with every drive.
11-09-2005, 08:52 AM
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I love the rotary because, as a mechanical engineer, I view it as one of the most cleverly engineered machines around. 3 moving parts instead of 40 (approximation for a standard piston engine) is INCREDIBLE!
The other reason to own this car is simple. It's a true sports car...with 4 usable seats...for less than $30,000. There is no other car currently in production that has these 3 attributes. The RX-8 truly is UNIQUE!
NOTE: This was a great post to write. It really made me remember why I fell in love with this car in the first place.
The other reason to own this car is simple. It's a true sports car...with 4 usable seats...for less than $30,000. There is no other car currently in production that has these 3 attributes. The RX-8 truly is UNIQUE!
NOTE: This was a great post to write. It really made me remember why I fell in love with this car in the first place.
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11-09-2005, 09:11 AM
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The rotary's compact dimensions allows it to be placed lower in the chassis and further back in the engine bay than a piston engine (if I can beleive Mazda's propaganda). It gives the car handling characteristics that would not be possible if weight was distributed otherwise. An engineer can give you the heads up on low polar moment, yaw characteristics, whatever.
Me, I'll subjectively tell you that I like the rotary not for its hp rating, torque rating, or fuel economy. I like it for the handling characteristics it gives the car. The other 4 passenger car I would have considered g35, did not feel nearly as much fun to throw into a corner. The g35 needs a very deliberate line in a curve. The 8 lets you go into a curve too hot, allow you to stand on the brakes, tiptoe around potholes, change lines at speeds that have other people on the road giving you the one finger salute. A couple of other cars that I looked at were s2000 and Boxster, but those were 2 seaters. However, they have the kind of go-cart handling that I was looking for.
Here's a link I got from another thread. When I read it, I nodded my head, "Yeah, that's us."
http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view...=26&nid=121878
Me, I'll subjectively tell you that I like the rotary not for its hp rating, torque rating, or fuel economy. I like it for the handling characteristics it gives the car. The other 4 passenger car I would have considered g35, did not feel nearly as much fun to throw into a corner. The g35 needs a very deliberate line in a curve. The 8 lets you go into a curve too hot, allow you to stand on the brakes, tiptoe around potholes, change lines at speeds that have other people on the road giving you the one finger salute. A couple of other cars that I looked at were s2000 and Boxster, but those were 2 seaters. However, they have the kind of go-cart handling that I was looking for.
Here's a link I got from another thread. When I read it, I nodded my head, "Yeah, that's us."
http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view...=26&nid=121878
11-09-2005, 10:38 AM
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your a fool, the rotary engine is banned in many racing serries cause its just to reliable, and can run at high rpm all day long.
the car makes its MAX power at 8500, and its power curve builds from idle to redline, so the higher you rev the more power/accel you will get! It doesnt have a lot of tq, but its tq curve is nearly flat accross the band.
the motor is small and light, allowing for better weight distrubution.
on top of all that, its just neat to have a car that isnt conventional....
some people care more about a car as a total package than just some aspects, such as power or handling.
the car makes its MAX power at 8500, and its power curve builds from idle to redline, so the higher you rev the more power/accel you will get! It doesnt have a lot of tq, but its tq curve is nearly flat accross the band.
the motor is small and light, allowing for better weight distrubution.
on top of all that, its just neat to have a car that isnt conventional....
some people care more about a car as a total package than just some aspects, such as power or handling.
11-09-2005, 01:54 PM
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The RX-8 was both my first car and my first rotary powered car. Having owned it for a year, I will definitely say that I hope to own a rotary powered car for the rest of my life. And should I financially ever not be able to afford one in the future, I will always be eternally grateful for having the chance to own a rotary powered car. I absolutely love this engine.
There's a lot more to it than it being just yet another engine to power a car. It's got a wonderful history of ups and downs behind it. This is an engine that inspired passion in engineers...this wasn't just another engine to them either, you had people in Mazda demanding to be made a part of the team that developed the rotary engine. This is an engine that inspires passion in the driver to just simply drive for the fun of it...it personifies the spirit of driving.
It's really not about HP or torque or gas mileage with rotary engines. It's about an engine that's just so incredibly fun in nature. If you gave me a Geo Metro equipped with a rotary engine, I'd probably be just as happy with it as I am with the RX-8.
At this moment in automotive history...there is nothing, NOTHING I'd rather drive every single day more than the RX-8. You can just feel the passion the engineers had in building this car. I just simply connect to the car, and man and machine become one as we hit those twisties in union. Absolutely pure bliss.
There's a lot more to it than it being just yet another engine to power a car. It's got a wonderful history of ups and downs behind it. This is an engine that inspired passion in engineers...this wasn't just another engine to them either, you had people in Mazda demanding to be made a part of the team that developed the rotary engine. This is an engine that inspires passion in the driver to just simply drive for the fun of it...it personifies the spirit of driving.
It's really not about HP or torque or gas mileage with rotary engines. It's about an engine that's just so incredibly fun in nature. If you gave me a Geo Metro equipped with a rotary engine, I'd probably be just as happy with it as I am with the RX-8.
At this moment in automotive history...there is nothing, NOTHING I'd rather drive every single day more than the RX-8. You can just feel the passion the engineers had in building this car. I just simply connect to the car, and man and machine become one as we hit those twisties in union. Absolutely pure bliss.
11-09-2005, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Vertigo-1
The RX-8 was both my first car and my first rotary powered car. Having owned it for a year, I will definitely say that I hope to own a rotary powered car for the rest of my life. And should I financially ever not be able to afford one in the future, I will always be eternally grateful for having the chance to own a rotary powered car. I absolutely love this engine.
There's a lot more to it than it being just yet another engine to power a car. It's got a wonderful history of ups and downs behind it. This is an engine that inspired passion in engineers...this wasn't just another engine to them either, you had people in Mazda demanding to be made a part of the team that developed the rotary engine. This is an engine that inspires passion in the driver to just simply drive for the fun of it...it personifies the spirit of driving.
It's really not about HP or torque or gas mileage with rotary engines. It's about an engine that's just so incredibly fun in nature. If you gave me a Geo Metro equipped with a rotary engine, I'd probably be just as happy with it as I am with the RX-8.
At this moment in automotive history...there is nothing, NOTHING I'd rather drive every single day more than the RX-8. You can just feel the passion the engineers had in building this car. I just simply connect to the car, and man and machine become one as we hit those twisties in union. Absolutely pure bliss.
There's a lot more to it than it being just yet another engine to power a car. It's got a wonderful history of ups and downs behind it. This is an engine that inspired passion in engineers...this wasn't just another engine to them either, you had people in Mazda demanding to be made a part of the team that developed the rotary engine. This is an engine that inspires passion in the driver to just simply drive for the fun of it...it personifies the spirit of driving.
It's really not about HP or torque or gas mileage with rotary engines. It's about an engine that's just so incredibly fun in nature. If you gave me a Geo Metro equipped with a rotary engine, I'd probably be just as happy with it as I am with the RX-8.
At this moment in automotive history...there is nothing, NOTHING I'd rather drive every single day more than the RX-8. You can just feel the passion the engineers had in building this car. I just simply connect to the car, and man and machine become one as we hit those twisties in union. Absolutely pure bliss.
rock on, you got it! reading that brings a tear to my eye
11-09-2005, 02:32 PM
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If you gave me a Geo Metro equipped with a rotary engine, I'd probably be just as happy with it as I am with the RX-8.
I love the rotary engine too, but an engine wont fix the abomination that is a Geo Metro...lol
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troll?
troll troll troll.
thats what I smell.
This is just some girl or guy who really doesn't give a crap about the 8 who is trying to understand why we love a car that seems pointless and underpowered to him/her. Then going and telling all his buddies how the 8 sucks and we're all stupid for driving one. I don't blame you for asking, just be honest or maybe read the forum and see how much people love this car. Besides, there is no such thing as an 03 RX8. I should know since I have a very early 04 model.
quit wasting bandwith you bandwith hog!
thats what I smell.
This is just some girl or guy who really doesn't give a crap about the 8 who is trying to understand why we love a car that seems pointless and underpowered to him/her. Then going and telling all his buddies how the 8 sucks and we're all stupid for driving one. I don't blame you for asking, just be honest or maybe read the forum and see how much people love this car. Besides, there is no such thing as an 03 RX8. I should know since I have a very early 04 model.
quit wasting bandwith you bandwith hog!