xkpbreaker

I recently saw the Car and Driver article which saids that the Rx-8 weighs 3000 to 3050 pounds and 0 - 60 in 6.3 sec and 1/4 mile in 14.9

Now to me dats really bad because I was expecting the weight to be in the 2800s, 0 to 60 in 5.9, and 1/4 mile about 14.4.

How is it gonna keep up with its competition? Even the new Neon SRTs do 0 to 60 under 6 and 1/4 mile in 14.3!!!!

AND THEY ONLY COST ABOUT 20K!!

I also read in the very same article ...... "that relatively cool exhaust gas from turbocharged rotary motors prevents efficient catalytic conversion, making it unlikely we'll see one soon, if ever"

What will dat make for the future hope of ever having a turbo kit for the Rx-8???

These results are disappointing

Hercules

I'll say it nicely but if that's what you're looking for in the RX-8, all power and straight line times...

You are looking at the wrong car.

If that is not the case however, I urge you to use the search button where the C&D time has been disproved a few times over. Keep in mind these are estimates and some magazines have different ones than others.

wakeech

ya, basically, the cars C&D and every other mag was dickin' around with aren't final production models, and none of the testing they got to do was timed or anything... it was a track-day for first impressions: don't take these numbers as set in stone. they do not know the final weight: it COULD be substancially less than that (2900 lb). also, even if the 0-60 is in 6.1s, that's still bloody fast... if you say "oh, i wanna kill people at the lights!!", then i'll say you're a dummy, and then reply with "then out drive them, silly... there's no way, in a real-world situation where either car, in stock form, at a street light will come close to the magazine 0-60 numbers. if you do, you won't be able to do it too many times in a row before making a small mistake and breaking something, or wearing something (like the clutch) out."

second thing, the Neon SRT is ONLY about straight line performance, a low price tag, and nothing else. for a rolling motor, there's nothing better. also, the cars the mags were sent were higher-than-production-spec tuned "ringers" (as proven by SCC's dyno numbers that were WAAAAY above factory HP ratings, at the wheel), so those test numbers... well... might be a bit low. the other thing to think about is the reliability of such a car, where the Neon isn't exactly a scintillating example of mechanical fortitude in the first place, eh??

Buger

In a movie (I forget the name) Kevin Spacey played a news reporter. A mentor asked him to look at the dark clouds in the distance and tell him "the story".

The mentor suggested something like "Killer storm coming to demolish town!"

The Kevin Spacey character asked "What happens when the storm doesn't demolish the town?

The mentor suggested a new story "Small town saved from killer storm in miracle!!!"

m477

Wait until both cars come out, then compare track times, there the price difference will be more than justified.

If you're looking for a straight-line car, then you probably don't want a Mazda.

unemployedpimp

youll have to wait for the rx-7, dude

wakeech

the next 7 oughta be a helluva lot faster than ~6s 0-60, and weight less than 2800... well, certainly not MORE...

BryanH

The acceleration times listed in the C/D article were estimates.

If you want to go fast in a straight line for cheap, just strap a rocket to a roller skate.

Hercules

Or go down a steep hill on a skateboard, even cheaper :P

Toadman

How fast you want to run the 1/4 depends on how much you want to spend. Push it out the back of a C-130 and aim it straight down if you really want to achieve maximum velocity. :D

fritts

Shut the hell up,
I really love this stuff, "If you want to go fast in a straight line this car isn't for you."

What the hell kind of responses are these. I believe if you have a problem with what someone says state it once. Then, this is the tough one, SHUT UP.

The RX-8 to you maybe something completely different for someone else. If he wants this car for straight line performance, so be it, he can do supporting mods to get him there. Who are you to tell him what this car to him should be, not that you are but to completely belittle his topic is an act of ignorance. The RX-8 I am sure with enough money can be made to run fast in the quarter. Hell talk about a great car, having one that can not only out handle most other cars but also have the acceleration to keep up with them in the straights, thats gotta be good.

I believe he has brought up a valid point, of where is the straight line performance. Even though these are estimates, I am hoping they are far off from the actual figures. The RX-8 is not a replacement for the RX-7 but all of the RX series have all been relatively quick cars. Look at the 3rd gen. The RX-8 should be about handling, as most Mazda's are but straight line performance is also should be there. There have been more than just a few cars lately that have raised the stakes when it comes to straight line speed and in order for Mazda to do well, the RX-8 has to atleast keep up.

xkpbreaker

Thank you Fritts!

Someone that finally understands what I was trying to say......

AND ....YES I know Mazda is known for superior handling like the Rx-8 is gonna have and I love great handling cars but since the Rx-8 is already guarenteed to have superior handling if it also had the straightline performance that I'm looking for.....it would be UNSTOPPABLE!!! just think about it.... it would literally kill any car in its competition....

I wasn't looking for high numbers either.... I just wanted something that would keep up with the 350z or the new Evo thats about to come out very soon... around 14.4 in the quarter mile and I dont think im asking much.....

It was just when i saw that C&D article it just blew me away cuz I had such I hopes for the car....(whether it was estimates or not)

Performance is the first thing I look for in a car and I want both Power and Handling....

Im still going to buy an Rx-8 regardless

Hercules

Who is saying anything about straight line performance being bad?

There is a thing Mazda needs to do, called BALANCE. Good amount of power to push it off from launch and from corners.

I for one am pretty fed up with the trolls that have come here time, and time again saying how the RX-8 is going to be "embarassed" because of the 0-60 being around 6 seconds instead of the 350Z's 5.4 or another comparison.

The 6 seconds to 60 is not too shabby by all accounts and most people that want to start the wars about how it is too slow and yada yada yada don't know how to drive on a track anyway. People that are ALL ABOUT the speed are morons, and there are cheaper faster cars out there than the RX-8 for their needs. I simply re-emphasise this because I hate the trolls.

And you fritts, have really got no manners. I simply stated that if you are looking for a car that is concentrating on a low straightline quarter or 0-60 time, then this is the wrong car to look at. If you want a balance of everything, power, handling, looks, quality then yes, the RX-8 might be for you.

But too many times have I heard that this car is "too slow" and I'm at the point now that it genuinely irks me. As you stated yourself, the RX-8 merely has to keep up with the newer cars -- you're right. But I think the keeping up with come on a track, not in a straight line. It's all about -- and I'll say it again -- BALANCE.

So to you fritts; why don't YOU shut the hell up? I was courteous, polite, and merely pointed out that if the search button were used that the 6.3 estimate was inaccurate because using hand timing many drivers were clocking in under 6 seconds. Once they equip the car with proper testing equipment I expect that the dash to 60 will be a few tenths under 6 seconds. I try my best not to get arguementative but when you tell me to shut up for being polite and attempting to help that person find the information he's looking for, I merely see that you are no better than the trolls that come here looking to start an arguement.

I'll leave it at that.

m477

Well, that's really not it. According to the original post, the ONLY metric of a cars worth is it's 1/4 mile time, and therefore the RX-8 must not be very good since you might be able to buy a cheaper car with a better 1/4 mile time. It came across as a troll post, even if that's not how the guy meant it.

Nobody said that they didn't want the RX-8 to be as fast as possible in a straight line, and nobody said they had a problem with another person modding the RX-8 for drag racing. So I really don't see who the "SHUT UP" was directed towards, maybe the voices in your head?

Hercules

Thank you for that

fritts

I just think its funny how I with no manners is the only person to stick up for this guy. I seriously doubt he is a troll, even if he is he does have a valid point. Get used to it more and more people will ask about these topics you consider irrelevant, so pull them panties from you ***. And I am sorry it makes no sense to search on such a topic as new information is available every day. No information can be truely correct on the 8 as we have yet to get a production version tested so I would consider these posts to be valid.

And no you are not courteous and polite, you are the only person on this forum that treats it as if you are GOD and your opinion is the only one that counts. Please just be open minded and stop going off on everyone you consider trolls, I mean seriously if you don't like a post then ignore it. Especially since no information can totally be correct and an FAQ is really of no use untill acccurate information can be added to one. Then I don't really care if you let the dogs loose. Sorry if I was a little pissed in the last post but damn guys...

Immi

agreed!

hercules - 1000 of your posts all have to do with the sentence: "the rx8 is not for you!"

if you're bothered by these 'trolls', than leave them alone - don't bother posting, its obvious you get extremely furious over these people - so why not ignore??

oh and you being polite and courteous - I think not! - you've been reminded over and over and over to calm your posts down.
I think you need a break from this forum - I know I needed a break from your same ol' posts!

said7

I think the big difference is gonna be determined on how responsive the car will be to modification.

For instance the Z at 280hp is pretty "tweaked" I dont imagine that you could squeeze that much more power out of it without adding forced induction.

The renesis on the other hand is an unknom. It may see substantical gains by exhaust/intake/chip.

I want to get an RX8 and mod it to achieve the few tenths off of qtr mile. But for a daily driver its plenty fast for me.

Hercules

Just like the 190 some of your posts are all telling me to shut up eh?

*yawn*

BryanH

Ooh, the forum's first flame war... yay.

Heh, 10 years ago how many affordable cars could do <14.5 in the quarter mile *and* handle extremely well? I can't really think of any... Funny how we've raised our standards so much in the past few years. Some people say X car is not a sports car if it can't do 0-60 in less than Y seconds. Whatever. My sports car does it in 8.2 seconds, you got a problem with that?

Easy way to get a 14.4 with the RX-8: take out the passenger seats, spare tire (if there is one), tools, and abuse your clutch/tranny. There ya go. I think the 8 will do mid-14s with a good driver anyway, without removing all that stuff.

Technology (engineering mostly, not fancy electronic doohickeys) has given us cars recently that perform extremely well on a track, without feeling terribly fast. They can be deceptive. My MR2, even when I complete the Supercharged engine swap and suspension upgrades, will be wasted on a track by a stock RX-8 (given equal drivers). My MR2 feels faster than it is, the RX-8 will likely be the other way around. I mean shoot, if I get an RX-8 it will be my comfy, luxurious daily driver and useful vehicle, with the occasional fun track day or autocross. The MR2 will remain my fun/race car. And yet the RX-8 is faster/better in probably every respect except one - agility.

So I say a couple tenths of a second here or there are just numbers. I'm sure a well driven RX-8 can waste a poorly-driven 350Z or Evo8 at a drag race.

If ya want the RX-8 to be faster, make it faster.

Spining Ncnratr

Give me 300 HP to keep up with the Vipers/Vettes I'm going to take on in AutoX and I'm happy even giggly:D

Hercules

300 horses in a lightweight car with 4 seats and 4 doors....

*drool*

Spining Ncnratr

Herc have you ever hear of a Revs Calloway Mallet 435 thats a C5 vette with Turbo 435 HP a roll cage and comp pieces and suspension and this guy does not have one but two
one coupe one Convert. Talk about a delima the coupe alone cost in mods around $30 grand pluse the $43 grand US for the car
And this guy has 2. Boy to have that kind of disposable income then his Brother has a 97 GTS Viper and I was going toe to toe with a 99 Olds Alero with STB, Intrax springs, and Monroe Sensetrac Struts But sorry to say I lost bad
The Mallet ran a flat 54 Sec
The Viper 55.3
Me best 61.2

But I really hate seeing Miata taillights
A stock 93 ran a 61 sec flat
I go by the old saying: If you can't beat'em join'em
But with my twist If I can't beat'em join'em with something better.:D

xkpbreaker

I LOVE TURBOS!

Quick_lude

On a proper course you could do that with a Miata or a Honda Prelude. :D Here is Marshall McLean in a Prelude with a hurting engine, making about 140whp but also with coilovers, R-compound tires and a great driver. :D
http://www.soloontario.com/solo2/2002/overall.htm