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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 12:57 AM
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OK...this could be pretty stupid

I have xenon lights on my 8. I'm getting a little aggravated because the lights do not project in a straight line. What I mean is, the line that divides brightly lit and dimly lit is kind of squiggly. I'd expect it to be a straight line, but it's more:



I think the driver's side headlamp is out of alignment, as it appears it is lower than the passenger side.

So I stop at the dealer to check it out. Service is closed, but the sales manager says he'll take a look.

He says that is normal. That the lights illuminate the ground in a Z pattern. That's the trademark of xenon lights. Thus, that's why it's pronounced "zee-non."

OK. Xenon is the gas in the bulb. The word Xenon does not have a Z in it. The way my lights illuminate the ground in front of me looks like they the driver's side light is not aligned correctly, like it is lower than the passenger light.

Zeenon! LOL WTF????

This just seems too farfetched to be true, that Zenon lights make a Z pattern. Is this sales manager just a ******* moron, or is his wacky *** "this customer is just off the banana boat/amish wagon/whatever" assertion true?

ZEENON!!!!!!

/edit: I MSPainted the way it looks in front of the car with the lights turned on.

ZEENON!!!!!!!!

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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 01:53 AM
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I must be tired because I don't know WTF you're talking about.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by skwidd
I have xenon lights on my 8. I'm getting a little aggravated because the lights do not project in a straight line. What I mean is, the line that divides brightly lit and dimly/not lit is kind of squiggly. I'd expect it to be a straight line, but it's more:

Dim ______
_______
____
Bright

I think the driver's side headlamp is out of line.

So I stop at the dealer to check it out. Service is closed, but the sales manager says he'll take a look.

He says that is normal. That the lights make a Z. That's the trademark of xenon lights. Thus, that's why it's pronounced "zee-non."

OK. Xenon is the gas in the bulb. The word Xenon does not have a Z in it. My lights look like they the passenger side is not aligned correctly.

Zeenon! LOL WTF????

This just seems too farfetched to be true, that Zenon lights make a Z pattern. Is this sales manager just a ******* moron, or is his wacky *** "this customer is just off the banana boat/amish wagon/whatever" assertion true?

ZEENON!!!!!!

/edit: My illustration didn't come out right, and I'm too tired to MSPaint it.

ZEENON!!!!!!!!
dealer discription of the beam pattern is wrong... has nothing to do with the bulb....

it has everything to do with oncoming traffic.... the pattern you describe is normal...

all is well..

beers
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 02:25 AM
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It is so you do not blind oncoming traffic. If I know what you are talking about.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 02:33 AM
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lol...
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 09:15 AM
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I like the picture, and I never noticed mine doing that.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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I've noticed it, and it's exactly that.
Headlights in normail alignment are directed slightly away from oncoming traffic. This is to help prevent blinding oncoming traffic as well as it gives a bit of extra light to the roadside (to see animals etc.)
All headlights do it, but the beam pattern on a nomral halogen light isn't sharp enough to see it.

It's also a concern with all of those cars running around with JDM headlight swaps in them... the beam pattern is directed slightly towards oncoming traffic.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 09:24 AM
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I was about to ask my mechanic this same question as my drivers side is slightly lower as well. But it all makes sense now :-) Thanks for the info
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 09:37 AM
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hah id laugh my *** off if someone tried to tell me a story to my face of "thats why the lights are called "xenon" because they make a "zee" pattern.

I'm sure the name has nothing to do with the fact the gas they contain is a freaking element. When the guys that made up the periodic table were making names I'm sure they named it "Zee-non" because of the future cars would have to make a "zee" pattern of light
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 09:40 AM
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^^^^^
I did everything I could not to pop off and be rude by pointing out that xenon is the gas in the bulbs. And I would have been rude. My recent contacts with dealerships have not been pleasant as everytime I speak with someone at a dealership, I feel like I'm being fed a line of ****.

Originally Posted by prescriptionmazda
I like the picture, and I never noticed mine doing that.
Thanks. I've really been practising my MSPaint skills lately. Glad it's paying off. :D

The two posters above me...thanks for the responses.

Reason I asked is because one of my neighbors had an M3 with the hi intensity halogens. I noticed on his car, the squiggly line between brightly lit and dimly/not lit was a horizontal straight line. I'll have to check it out again to see if his lights project in front of the car the same way my 8's lights do.

Thanks again.

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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 06:26 PM
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Zee lights on zee car are normal, it is zo the oncoming drivers can zee.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by skwidd
This just seems too farfetched to be true, that Zenon lights make a Z pattern. Is this sales manager just a ******* moron...
That was rhetoric, right? You do realize its a job requirement.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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Acuras with Xenon are the same... lower on the driver side so you don't blind oncoming drivers... but the sad thing is, people still flash me like I have my brights on in any Xenon equipped vehicle. Guess some people just have sensitve eyes.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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By definition, the Sales Manager has the least amount of product knowledge in the building. As soon as one demonstrates any awareness of the car's features, he or she is immediately transferred to a different manufacturer's dealership.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by stickman
By definition, the Sales Manager has the least amount of product knowledge in the building. As soon as one demonstrates any awareness of the car's features, he or she is immediately transferred to a different manufacturer's dealership.
This explains SO much!!!
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by valpac
That was rhetoric, right? You do realize its a job requirement.
Yes, it was a rhetorical question.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by skwidd
I have xenon lights on my 8. I'm getting a little aggravated because the lights do not project in a straight line. What I mean is, the line that divides brightly lit and dimly lit is kind of squiggly. I'd expect it to be a straight line, but it's more:



I think the driver's side headlamp is out of alignment, as it appears it is lower than the passenger side.

So I stop at the dealer to check it out. Service is closed, but the sales manager says he'll take a look.

He says that is normal. That the lights illuminate the ground in a Z pattern. That's the trademark of xenon lights. Thus, that's why it's pronounced "zee-non."

OK. Xenon is the gas in the bulb. The word Xenon does not have a Z in it. The way my lights illuminate the ground in front of me looks like they the driver's side light is not aligned correctly, like it is lower than the passenger light.

Zeenon! LOL WTF????

This just seems too farfetched to be true, that Zenon lights make a Z pattern. Is this sales manager just a ******* moron, or is his wacky *** "this customer is just off the banana boat/amish wagon/whatever" assertion true?

ZEENON!!!!!!

/edit: I MSPainted the way it looks in front of the car with the lights turned on.

ZEENON!!!!!!!!
Wow ... thought I'd heard everything, but that's a new one. I'm sure they sell lots of headlight fluid there too.

An auto engineer friend tells me that most automotive beam patterns these days are set up to be lower at the left side of the vehicle and higher at the right - which is certainly what you see there - that's to keep from blinding oncoming traffic (lower left side beam) and improve throw distance down the shoulder (higher right side beam).

But a Zeenon pattern it's not -

That said, the reason it's so obvious on this car is due to the design of the beam cutoff in the projector lamps for the HID/xenon low beams - it's a very sharp-edged beam cutoff which is why it looks so obvious. For your edification, my last car, an Acura TL also had HID's and it had the same thing - not quite as sharp edged, but definitely a similar beam pattern. My business partner's M3 does the same, as does my neighbor's Porsche ... common.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by skwidd
^^^^^
I did everything I could not to pop off and be rude by pointing out that xenon is the gas in the bulbs. .
I would have been very rude if could have stopped long enough from choking on my laughter. I live for situations just like this. I probably would have made some comment like:

"Oh really, thank you for enligtening me, now tell me about that special racing air in the tires".............))))))))
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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Ever had a jackass in a Civic with poorly aligned aftermarket HIDs drive toward you?

That's why.

Edit: 1500 posts. Woohoo!
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
For your edification, my last car, an Acura TL also had HID's and it had the same thing - not quite as sharp edged, but definitely a similar beam pattern. My business partner's M3 does the same, as does my neighbor's Porsche ... common.
Your avatar is perfect.

Thanks for the information. I recall my neighbor's M3 had a straight horizontal projection line. Maybe a 2000 or 2001? I cannot remember. I'll ask.

Originally Posted by swerver
I would have been very rude if could have stopped long enough from choking on my laughter. I live for situations just like this. I probably would have made some comment like:

"Oh really, thank you for enligtening me, now tell me about that special racing air in the tires".............))))))))
I will admit I could not laugh as I was too amazed at his explanation.

Please let me know about this special racing air. I need to relate to these guys next time I decide to visit them.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 12:33 AM
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you must be new to the projector headlights!!!
all projector headlights do the same thing, same as the BMW's and Audi's.
for the left hand drive cars with projectors, the light will slightly go higher to the right, for right hand drive cars, the light will slightly go higher to the left!!
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Old May 4, 2010 | 07:11 PM
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Holy crap! its been years since this has been posted and its still funny as hell!
ZEENON!!!
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Old May 4, 2010 | 07:44 PM
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Would be funnier if the picture still loaded.
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Old May 4, 2010 | 09:18 PM
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LOL Zeenon...
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