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02-25-2008, 05:18 PM
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Why cant *he* use Synthetic oil ? Because he listened to a moron.
I use it because I am pretty sure I know WAY BETTER than that *so called* master tech at a dealership who suppose to know Rx-8 ...
His error was, he actually believe *anybody* working @ a dealership. I cant say all but MOST dealerships has nothing but people who cant even get a GED.
5w20 is freaking thin, Mazda use it because its easier to get CAFE requirements, thats why everyone on earth did not get the last engine recall but USA. and with so many dead engines, it should tell you a thing or 2.
My ***, this dude have zero clue about how Rotary engine works. and ask him what kind of synthetic oil can withstand 1600f+ of temp ? When the best Synthetic oil's flash point is lower than 500F
People are getting screwed simply because there are too many morons giving out false information.
Gum up ? Go tell that moron tech who deserves a fired from the dealership to look at Expo's over 110 K Renesis motor.
I use it because I am pretty sure I know WAY BETTER than that *so called* master tech at a dealership who suppose to know Rx-8 ...
His error was, he actually believe *anybody* working @ a dealership. I cant say all but MOST dealerships has nothing but people who cant even get a GED.
5w20 is freaking thin, Mazda use it because its easier to get CAFE requirements, thats why everyone on earth did not get the last engine recall but USA. and with so many dead engines, it should tell you a thing or 2.
My ***, this dude have zero clue about how Rotary engine works. and ask him what kind of synthetic oil can withstand 1600f+ of temp ? When the best Synthetic oil's flash point is lower than 500F
People are getting screwed simply because there are too many morons giving out false information.
Gum up ? Go tell that moron tech who deserves a fired from the dealership to look at Expo's over 110 K Renesis motor.
I am reading everyone's posts with my eyes wide open whether its the oil issue or the use of premix but I have to balance this with the knowledge that I still have a factory warranty and do not want to give the dealership an excuse to not fix any problem because I did not follow the manufacturers recommendations, it doesn't take much for them to pass the costs on to you, the consumer. I will continue to read this thread with interest.
02-25-2008, 06:45 PM
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nevijeff - Don't forget to read the other stickies. What makes this subject kinda touchy is Mazda manages their teardowns, so there is no 'known' public proof that engine failures/replacements have been due to proper oil lubrication. The only obvious belief of this being the cause is they added 2 oil injectors to the 09' models. so now each rotor has 3.
So the best option is to be sure to do the oil changes as scheduled.... though i wouldn't wait for 6k miles
So the best option is to be sure to do the oil changes as scheduled.... though i wouldn't wait for 6k miles
02-25-2008, 06:46 PM
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I am no self proclaimed car expert by any means but I do know how to read a manual and it specifically states 5w20 motor oil (not synthetic). My first question to the mechanic was the issue of the oil since I have used Mobil 1 for years in my Acura and Honda vehicles and still do in my wife's MDX. I am also not one who is going to pass judgement on the mechanic as a MORON, your own avatar states "Newbie Mechanic" not RX8 expert. You may very well be correct in your statements but your attitude in expressing your opinion is a bit unnecessary. The mechanic wasn't a big enough of a *.* not to approve of 5W30 in the summer.
I am reading everyone's posts with my eyes wide open whether its the oil issue or the use of premix but I have to balance this with the knowledge that I still have a factory warranty and do not want to give the dealership an excuse to not fix any problem because I did not follow the manufacturers recommendations, it doesn't take much for them to pass the costs on to you, the consumer. I will continue to read this thread with interest.
I am reading everyone's posts with my eyes wide open whether its the oil issue or the use of premix but I have to balance this with the knowledge that I still have a factory warranty and do not want to give the dealership an excuse to not fix any problem because I did not follow the manufacturers recommendations, it doesn't take much for them to pass the costs on to you, the consumer. I will continue to read this thread with interest.
Why did I call him a moron ? cuz I think he deserves it. resist burning thats true, but if he have some common sense, he wouldnt even bring some total bs like "resist to burning and leave sludge inside your engine"
Again and again, its sad to see that dealership these days never hire any *real* mechanic who actually know wtf they're talking about, instead they always aim low, pay the minimum wage, so they can hire ppl who cant even get their GED.
02-25-2008, 06:47 PM
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nevijeff - Don't forget to read the other stickies. What makes this subject kinda touchy is Mazda manages their teardowns, so there is no 'known' public proof that engine failures/replacements have been due to proper oil lubrication. The only obvious belief of this being the cause is they added 2 oil injectors to the 09' models. so now each rotor has 3.
So the best option is to be sure to do the oil changes as scheduled.... though i wouldn't wait for 6k miles
So the best option is to be sure to do the oil changes as scheduled.... though i wouldn't wait for 6k miles
or read RG's post about the *possible* problem
Well, Mazda has its own reason. I *think* they disallow dealerships to open the engine simply because even Mazda knows their dealership techs are morons. and have ZERO clue on how to fix Rotary engine.
My experience with dealerships is that, they can give you some bullshit like "The aftermarket intake is the cause of your SSV failure, cuz you're getting too much air" ....
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02-25-2008, 06:59 PM
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Lol, yeah there's another thread of that just happening, guy is getting pwned for the aftermarket intake.
Yeah i'm on the RG post for the possible thread throwing a BF I'm definitely doing the trade-in end of 09 unless the 16x comes out before 2012...
I'll have to search for the release info on the 16x, searching the internet's is returning the same articles...
Yeah i'm on the RG post for the possible thread throwing a BF
I'm definitely doing the trade-in end of 09 unless the 16x comes out before 2012...I'll have to search for the release info on the 16x, searching the internet's is returning the same articles...
02-25-2008, 08:19 PM
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Quote: My experience with dealerships is that, they can give you some bullshit like "The aftermarket intake is the cause of your SSV failure, cuz you're getting too much air" ...
These are exactly the issues I am concerned about, giving the dealer an "out" so they can say you changed the dynamics of the vehicle/didn't follow the manufacturers recommendations and therefore the warranty is null and void. No one has yet stated on any of the posts I have read that the use of synthetic oil or the use of premix will not void the warranty. While both these suggestions may be valid it would seem that until the warranty is up just change the oil every 4-5K miles?
These are exactly the issues I am concerned about, giving the dealer an "out" so they can say you changed the dynamics of the vehicle/didn't follow the manufacturers recommendations and therefore the warranty is null and void. No one has yet stated on any of the posts I have read that the use of synthetic oil or the use of premix will not void the warranty. While both these suggestions may be valid it would seem that until the warranty is up just change the oil every 4-5K miles?
02-25-2008, 09:26 PM
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Quote: My experience with dealerships is that, they can give you some bullshit like "The aftermarket intake is the cause of your SSV failure, cuz you're getting too much air" ...
These are exactly the issues I am concerned about, giving the dealer an "out" so they can say you changed the dynamics of the vehicle/didn't follow the manufacturers recommendations and therefore the warranty is null and void. No one has yet stated on any of the posts I have read that the use of synthetic oil or the use of premix will not void the warranty. While both these suggestions may be valid it would seem that until the warranty is up just change the oil every 4-5K miles?
These are exactly the issues I am concerned about, giving the dealer an "out" so they can say you changed the dynamics of the vehicle/didn't follow the manufacturers recommendations and therefore the warranty is null and void. No one has yet stated on any of the posts I have read that the use of synthetic oil or the use of premix will not void the warranty. While both these suggestions may be valid it would seem that until the warranty is up just change the oil every 4-5K miles?
Its a law that auto manufacture can NOT void ANYONE's warranty for using aftermarket parts, they can void it ONLY if they can proof in *writing* that the part is the cause of failure, with a reasonable explanation that can hold in court of course. Please see the Moss ACT for more information.
You can change your oil everyday, but thats like pouring money into the ocean. For Non-Full-Synthetic oils, I suggest to change it the sooner the better.
This synthetic vs non-synthetic thing is like Organic food vs Non-Organic food. Millions of people had non-organic food and can live till 80. but who knows what they've gone thru in their life, maybe they got **** loads of cancer but somehow got lucky and got thru all of them. People can say that even Organic food eaters can get cancer, etc.
I like Organic food, they cost 2-3 times as much, but hey at least Im sure Im getting some of the *cleanest* stuff.
02-25-2008, 09:28 PM
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II am reading everyone's posts with my eyes wide open whether its the oil issue or the use of premix but I have to balance this with the knowledge that I still have a factory warranty and do not want to give the dealership an excuse to not fix any problem because I did not follow the manufacturers recommendations, it doesn't take much for them to pass the costs on to you, the consumer. I will continue to read this thread with interest.
If you are really concerned, go to the local Mazda dealer (not your local mechanic- but an actual dealer with a service department) and ask them to put in writing exactly what oil that you have to use to avoid having your warranty voided.
Chances are the best that they will do is say that they recommend that you follow the manufactures guidelines.
But they can not force you to do so. If they did, it would be a violation of the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, unless they supplied you with the oil (which they will never do). In fact I doubt they would even put it in writing on what grade you should or should not use.
Now that doesn't mean I would tell them what oil I put in the car if it was anything but the factory recommendation. I might tell them that I put in 5W20, but really put in 10W30. Short of an oil test within the first 2000 miles they wouldn't be able to tell anyway.
02-25-2008, 09:30 PM
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Lol, yeah there's another thread of that just happening, guy is getting pwned for the aftermarket intake.
Yeah i'm on the RG post for the possible thread throwing a BF I'm definitely doing the trade-in end of 09 unless the 16x comes out before 2012...
I'll have to search for the release info on the 16x, searching the internet's is returning the same articles...
Yeah i'm on the RG post for the possible thread throwing a BF
I'm definitely doing the trade-in end of 09 unless the 16x comes out before 2012...I'll have to search for the release info on the 16x, searching the internet's is returning the same articles...
02-27-2008, 02:25 PM
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I am no self proclaimed car expert by any means but I do know how to read a manual and it specifically states 5w20 motor oil (not synthetic). My first question to the mechanic was the issue of the oil since I have used Mobil 1 for years in my Acura and Honda vehicles and still do in my wife's MDX. I am also not one who is going to pass judgement on the mechanic as a MORON, your own avatar states "Newbie Mechanic" not RX8 expert. You may very well be correct in your statements but your attitude in expressing your opinion is a bit unnecessary. The mechanic wasn't a big enough of a *.* not to approve of 5W30 in the summer.
I am reading everyone's posts with my eyes wide open whether its the oil issue or the use of premix but I have to balance this with the knowledge that I still have a factory warranty and do not want to give the dealership an excuse to not fix any problem because I did not follow the manufacturers recommendations, it doesn't take much for them to pass the costs on to you, the consumer. I will continue to read this thread with interest.
I am reading everyone's posts with my eyes wide open whether its the oil issue or the use of premix but I have to balance this with the knowledge that I still have a factory warranty and do not want to give the dealership an excuse to not fix any problem because I did not follow the manufacturers recommendations, it doesn't take much for them to pass the costs on to you, the consumer. I will continue to read this thread with interest.
I am arrogant enough to say I know better than any Mazda dealership tech when it comes to rotaries! I do!
When a dealership asks you what type of oil you are using, I don't care what you really use, tell them EXACTLY what they want to hear! Anyone dumb enough not to will end up getting wrongfully screwed over.
With the way dealerships have gotten more and more useless lately, a warranty isn't good for a whole lot anymore.
02-27-2008, 04:06 PM
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I am arrogant enough to say I know better than any Mazda dealership tech when it comes to rotaries! I do!
When a dealership asks you what type of oil you are using, I don't care what you really use, tell them EXACTLY what they want to hear! Anyone dumb enough not to will end up getting wrongfully screwed over.
With the way dealerships have gotten more and more useless lately, a warranty isn't good for a whole lot anymore.
When a dealership asks you what type of oil you are using, I don't care what you really use, tell them EXACTLY what they want to hear! Anyone dumb enough not to will end up getting wrongfully screwed over.
With the way dealerships have gotten more and more useless lately, a warranty isn't good for a whole lot anymore.
Mazda dealership should be the one and only place for all the Rotary answers. You know why ? Cuz Mazda Recommended it ! Just like the 5w20 thing, parts, etc.
