Now I know why some animals eat their young...
07-17-2007, 10:52 AM
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To clear up what my reasoning was (and probably other's as well):
The thing that bugged me about the OP was that he completely blames the son and reacts based on that. Yes, the kid messed up, but it wasnt like he was sneaking out with the keys to his dad's car. He honestly didnt even have a reason why this happened. He specifically said his son was only starting the car... why? To warm up is the only reason I can think of, and if that is the reason, then if the OP hadnt been too lazy to warm up his own car, then it wouldnt have happened. Using that logic, some of the blame is his and he should man up to that fact.
I do realize I dont know every last detail of the situation, but no matter what the story is, I feel rather certain that there is some fault that should be the OP's responsibility, therefore taking it out on the kid like that could be unreasonable.
The thing that bugged me about the OP was that he completely blames the son and reacts based on that. Yes, the kid messed up, but it wasnt like he was sneaking out with the keys to his dad's car. He honestly didnt even have a reason why this happened. He specifically said his son was only starting the car... why? To warm up is the only reason I can think of, and if that is the reason, then if the OP hadnt been too lazy to warm up his own car, then it wouldnt have happened. Using that logic, some of the blame is his and he should man up to that fact.
I do realize I dont know every last detail of the situation, but no matter what the story is, I feel rather certain that there is some fault that should be the OP's responsibility, therefore taking it out on the kid like that could be unreasonable.
Just my 2 cents.
07-17-2007, 10:59 AM
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Dealing with your kids while you're angry just teaches them to do the same. It's not the physicality that makes you a douchebag it's the fact that you did so because you were mad about your precious car.
07-17-2007, 11:26 AM
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I tossed the key to my 15 year old boy...he has been shown how to start a stick at least a 100 times and has done it many times successfully (he doesn't get to drive it, just start it). Well, the fruit of my loins forgets to take the 8 out of gear and dumps the clutch after the start...launching my baby right into a sturdy wooden shelf
. I was in an adjoining room and I still can hear the scream of protest from my baby as she slams into the shelf. A gaping gash in the bumper, broken headlight, broken brackets and a reflector. Now I just have to see how much this frack up is going to cost me. With a 1000.00 deductible, I may not file a claim.
To make things worse, the little snot didn't even say he was sorry. He immediately went into excuse mode and complained to his mother when I snatched his shirt and slammed him into the wall (smarting off to me while mourning isn't intelligent ). I told him that this is MY fault for trusting him with my car...and it won't happen again (the 8 was promised to him if he can fund his own college education).
. I was in an adjoining room and I still can hear the scream of protest from my baby as she slams into the shelf. A gaping gash in the bumper, broken headlight, broken brackets and a reflector. Now I just have to see how much this frack up is going to cost me. With a 1000.00 deductible, I may not file a claim.To make things worse, the little snot didn't even say he was sorry. He immediately went into excuse mode and complained to his mother when I snatched his shirt and slammed him into the wall (smarting off to me while mourning isn't intelligent
). I told him that this is MY fault for trusting him with my car...and it won't happen again (the 8 was promised to him if he can fund his own college education).How closely was dad watching his son? Did dad remind his son that the car was in gear? I guess this will teach dad to watch his son a little more closely when handing over the keys to his precious car.
If he's been so successful at starting manual cars in the past then it's obvious that this incident was accidental. Fifteen year old boy,dad's car,dad hands him the keys. Dad needs to take some of the responsibility.
Unless of course the boy had some underlying hostility towards dad and just wanted some "pay back". If that is the case then you have more issues than just a bruised and battered car.
07-17-2007, 11:35 AM
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I tossed the key to my 15 year old boy...he has been shown how to start a stick at least a 100 times and has done it many times successfully (he doesn't get to drive it, just start it). Well, the fruit of my loins forgets to take the 8 out of gear and dumps the clutch after the start...launching my baby right into a sturdy wooden shelf . I was in an adjoining room and I still can hear the scream of protest from my baby as she slams into the shelf. A gaping gash in the bumper, broken headlight, broken brackets and a reflector. Now I just have to see how much this frack up is going to cost me. With a 1000.00 deductible, I may not file a claim.
To make things worse, the little snot didn't even say he was sorry. He immediately went into excuse mode and complained to his mother when I snatched his shirt and slammed him into the wall (smarting off to me while mourning isn't intelligent ). I told him that this is MY fault for trusting him with my car...and it won't happen again (the 8 was promised to him if he can fund his own college education).
. I was in an adjoining room and I still can hear the scream of protest from my baby as she slams into the shelf. A gaping gash in the bumper, broken headlight, broken brackets and a reflector. Now I just have to see how much this frack up is going to cost me. With a 1000.00 deductible, I may not file a claim.To make things worse, the little snot didn't even say he was sorry. He immediately went into excuse mode and complained to his mother when I snatched his shirt and slammed him into the wall (smarting off to me while mourning isn't intelligent
). I told him that this is MY fault for trusting him with my car...and it won't happen again (the 8 was promised to him if he can fund his own college education).
07-17-2007, 11:41 AM
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And he bought into it? Just how many times have you slammed his head into a wall?
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07-17-2007, 11:44 AM
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Let's see. A college education can run somewhere between 100 and 200 grand. So you promise your kid a car that will be worth maybe 20 grand when he starts college, in return for him covering all of that?
And he bought into it? Just how many times have you slammed his head into a wall?
Ken
And he bought into it? Just how many times have you slammed his head into a wall?
Ken
07-17-2007, 11:53 AM
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OP, I hope you die of ebola.
With that said...
I did it - I don't see what's so hard. I go to a lesser school for free instead of WashU for 46k/year. You just have to come to the realization that the best school isn't always the smartest one.
With that said...
Let's see. A college education can run somewhere between 100 and 200 grand. So you promise your kid a car that will be worth maybe 20 grand when he starts college, in return for him covering all of that?
And he bought into it? Just how many times have you slammed his head into a wall?
Ken
And he bought into it? Just how many times have you slammed his head into a wall?
Ken
07-17-2007, 01:22 PM
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1.price Of Headlamp Assy. $959.00
2.price Of Parking Lamp Assy. $32.50
3.price Of Bumper $350.00
4.price Of Son To Understand What Went Wrong--priceless
Had The Child (all He Is)was Sitting In Front Of A Cliff At The Time Could You Feel The Same !
2.price Of Parking Lamp Assy. $32.50
3.price Of Bumper $350.00
4.price Of Son To Understand What Went Wrong--priceless
Had The Child (all He Is)was Sitting In Front Of A Cliff At The Time Could You Feel The Same !
07-17-2007, 01:51 PM
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I think it was the kid's fault, he done that numerous times, building the bond required for trust, at 15 years old they can get disrespectful or irresponcible and laxed. Unlike the little man you thought he was he started talking back and mumbling. I think after seeing that the young man was not injuried you should have let him know you were not pleased. You didn't hurt him you got his attention the next time he will immeadiately go out and cut the yard and check the yard so that the Lawn mower doesn't run over a brick. He will respect the families things.
You can be his friend and have him think that it was your fault trusting him with the responcibility of taking care of family things. Or you make him come up to bat, accept that it was his fault and learn how to be a man. There are conseqeunces for being unattentive, as a Dad you can't be his friend all the time, you have to be a parent. Love and respect is all you want, sometimes just respect. He will learn and love you for teaching him how to be a man, once he becomes a Man. He doesn't always learn by his Father or Mother taking his faults away with kind love, he also learns from tough love. This same attentiveness and care for details can stop him from being in a wreck later, he will remember, Dad didn't like that.
And yes, I have raised two young men.
by the way that was a humorous title, that was meant to be funny wasn't it?
You can be his friend and have him think that it was your fault trusting him with the responcibility of taking care of family things. Or you make him come up to bat, accept that it was his fault and learn how to be a man. There are conseqeunces for being unattentive, as a Dad you can't be his friend all the time, you have to be a parent. Love and respect is all you want, sometimes just respect. He will learn and love you for teaching him how to be a man, once he becomes a Man. He doesn't always learn by his Father or Mother taking his faults away with kind love, he also learns from tough love. This same attentiveness and care for details can stop him from being in a wreck later, he will remember, Dad didn't like that.
And yes, I have raised two young men.
by the way that was a humorous title, that was meant to be funny wasn't it?
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07-17-2007, 02:46 PM
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I can't believe all the righteousness on here, so the OP is an ******* for pushing his kid up against the wall AFTER the kid was careless and AFTER he mouthed off to his dad?Just two weeks ago, my kid knocked one of my motorcycles into another in my garage…I’m still repairing the damage to my previously mint bikes! And no, I didn’t touch him but if he mouthed off about it I sure would have. We’re not talking beatings, but it sure wouldn’t be a Dr. Phil “you hurt daddy’s feewings” chat either.
I see too many people walking around nowadays that should have gotten an occasional smack in their youth…many of them seem to be on this board.
To the OP, I got your humor, and I feel for ya!
07-17-2007, 02:51 PM
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if I put my car in gear on my sloped driveway it does nothing. I put it in gear, let off clutch, let go of fo0t brake and it slides backwards as if it wasnt in gear at all.
07-17-2007, 03:46 PM
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Always leave mine in gear. But that's irrelevant to the topic, since it's a safe bet that junior had to take the car out of gear every other time he started it, and did so w/o issue. + you can't pop the 8 forward like you used to be able to do w/older MTs b/c you can't start the 8 w/o engaging the clutch. (trust me, there have been a few sleepy mornings where I've thanked mazda for that feature)
+1 for the idea that dealing w/a child w/anger isn't a great way to go (tho sometimes is unavoidable).
+1 for the pussyfoot-"PC"-timeout crap leading to bratty little f8cks that obviously need to be smacked.
+1 for dibs on the little snots' ribs when OP cooks him up.
+1 for the idea that dealing w/a child w/anger isn't a great way to go (tho sometimes is unavoidable).
+1 for the pussyfoot-"PC"-timeout crap leading to bratty little f8cks that obviously need to be smacked.
+1 for dibs on the little snots' ribs when OP cooks him up.
07-17-2007, 05:05 PM
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Ahh, i knew this story sounded familiar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NVF5kKnnFY
[i know its a repost]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NVF5kKnnFY
[i know its a repost]
07-17-2007, 05:45 PM
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I can't believe all the righteousness on here, so the OP is an ******* for pushing his kid up against the wall AFTER the kid was careless and AFTER he mouthed off to his dad?Just two weeks ago, my kid knocked one of my motorcycles into another in my garage…I’m still repairing the damage to my previously mint bikes! And no, I didn’t touch him but if he mouthed off about it I sure would have. We’re not talking beatings, but it sure wouldn’t be a Dr. Phil “you hurt daddy’s feewings” chat either.
I see too many people walking around nowadays that should have gotten an occasional smack in their youth…many of them seem to be on this board.
To the OP, I got your humor, and I feel for ya!
everytime you post you talk about your motorcycles
07-17-2007, 09:43 PM
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Talk about damage control...
07-17-2007, 09:57 PM
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heh i have mixed emotions about this story....
first off, you can get to a kid w/o physical interaction, my parents have been doing it for years and im not a snotty *** **** of a kid.
second...kids and adults make mistakes, sure his was worse b/c he ran into a wooden shelf but, dont tell me you've never killed the car at a stop light or steep hill.
I don't believe that it is age that determines ability to do things, its maturity and skill. when i was a little kid (7-8 yrs old) i used to shift my moms car, when i would feel the car slow down and see her left foot go in, id shift....he obviously had a lapse in his mind that the car was in gear.
if a kid is raised properly, then he wont mouth off, im very respectful of my parents and never mouth off to them, maybe you need to find a different tactic for discipline because obviously what you are doing isnt cutting it for your son.
first off, you can get to a kid w/o physical interaction, my parents have been doing it for years and im not a snotty *** **** of a kid.
second...kids and adults make mistakes, sure his was worse b/c he ran into a wooden shelf but, dont tell me you've never killed the car at a stop light or steep hill.
I don't believe that it is age that determines ability to do things, its maturity and skill. when i was a little kid (7-8 yrs old) i used to shift my moms car, when i would feel the car slow down and see her left foot go in, id shift....he obviously had a lapse in his mind that the car was in gear.
if a kid is raised properly, then he wont mouth off, im very respectful of my parents and never mouth off to them, maybe you need to find a different tactic for discipline because obviously what you are doing isnt cutting it for your son.