No 2006 model RX8?
12-07-2005, 07:18 PM
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yes the VIN was an 06 vin but the car was also pre-prodution built on the line in late august or early september cant remember which. there were 2 actually- there was one outside parked in he line of owners RX-8s. it had a turbo
12-07-2005, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryGoober
Any of you girls get a look at the VIN numbers of the new color cars at SevenStock? That would definately tell the story. ...Seeing that *6* as the *tenth digit*.. well anyway.. Would it really matter if they didn't bring out an 06? ..Maybe it's a good idea. Step back a bit, solve some of the issues, do a facelift, start a serious advertising campaign. Do what you should have done with the starting/flooding issues before the car was launched... Since July thru October is the traditional launch time for new vehicles.. except with Mazda.. Enter the market again with an 07 car.. better,refined more reliable, more powerful.. in say.. early spring.. Do it 100% right this time.. The bean counters see the sales numbers.. maybe it's time for a second chance...
There is more to it than that. Rumor around here is that Mazda/Ford have bought liscensing from Chevrolet for the LS6 and are fitting up the chassis at this time. It is said to be mated to a 6 speed sequential transaxle. 510hp, 27mpg hwy, 11 sec 1/4, 1.79g skidpad, 0-60 in 3.2sec. Other than these figures, I am sworn to secrecy but let's just say a "friend" in Detroit called me with a little choice info.
12-07-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MDRX8
My dealer just talked to area rep. Just got out of a meeting. Mazda is weighing it's options on not having a 2006 model. They are dead serious on NOT having a 2006 but coming out with a late 2007 model. Nothing is being done for a 2006 as of now. All of this is from very reliable sources. So it may be a while before we see a new RX8. NOW ZOOM44 do you want to close this thread out too? This is good info for all RX8 owners wanting a new car........
12-07-2005, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Xeres
I can collaborate everything MDRX8 said. My dealer called on Monday after talking with the Mazda rep who said they might not come out with a 2006 model. The rep went on to say that as of now the next model year is tentatively scheduled to go into production the first week of February. This means 6-8 weeks after production before they show up over here. I have to admit I'm very confused as to how Car and Driver can award an 06 RX-8 top sports coupe and people have seen 06’s at sevenstock, yet Mazda is saying there won’t be an 06 model. Can anyone please shed some meaningful light on this subject as I’m sure there plenty of interested people like me waiting to buy the next RX-8 model.
The official US Mazda site has a drop down to search inventory for 2006 RX-8's, and has for some time in preparation for their arrival. I doubt if production was stopped, and most dealers are quite clueless, despite all the information they are supposed to be getting and reading. My dealer is down to their last 2005s, and when they're gone, they're gone.
12-07-2005, 07:45 PM
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Actually, the ride in your LS1 was more than enough torque for me to handle. I just couldn't imagine why anyone would want more... But then again.. the grass is always greener somewhere else.. BTW.. did you ever invite RotaryGod over to see your shop and all that neat stuff you do?? He would be the one that would be impressed... I sure wished that I made it to SevenStock.. maybe next year..
12-07-2005, 07:54 PM
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Glad you like it. I've never actually met the one that calls himself RotaryGod but I do know a couple of gentlemen that have certainly earned the title as well as many, many, championship titles! Come up to road Atl. this weekend and I'll take you for a ride!
12-07-2005, 08:19 PM
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Read my other post. He has NO RX8 on his lot. If you want to call somebody telling a untruth then call the Southeast Dist, Rep. He not a he said they said situation.
Originally Posted by SilverEIGHT
Actually, If I was a dealer trying to git rid of my 05 cars, I would not hesitate to make that claim. Some people would jump at the chance to purchase an earlier model if they thought the car was being postponed for a year. Some people are just not informed and don't make the best choice. What does he have to loose? Makes perfect sense to me. Some car dealers are not the most trusted lot!
12-07-2005, 08:52 PM
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Could this be the end? dun dun dun! Sales suck, plenty of '05s on the lots, dealers are almost giving them away, and no '06s in site. I'd say there may be a little validity to Xerxes claim... Maybe Mazda is rethinking things. Even if it's totally bogus it sure makes for some interesting drama 
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12-07-2005, 08:53 PM
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The name of dealer I'm working with is Lancaster Mazda in California. Here's their web site http://www.laautogroup.com.
When I first began working with them in Sep. they had 9 RX-8's on the lot, now they are down to four. When I asked about the possablity of getting on 05 coming over from Japan I was told there aren't any more coming from Japan. I have been waiting and saving for over a year to get a 06 RX-8, and now I'm ready and they might not be making them. Very Very disappointing Mazda!
I'm not sure where everyone thinks you can get a steal on a 05. I just looked on carsdirect.com which is usually a good indicator of what you can get the dealer down to. And the Mazda special pricing barely beats my S-plan price. The only incentive Mazda is putting up is $1000 Mazda Credit Financing Bonus Cash. I personally don't want to save a $1000 bucks to get an 05 model with 100 test drive miles where people are "Getting a feel for the car."
Originally Posted by Collings
Here's an absurdly wild theory to go along with the absurdly wild rumor: Could it be dealers spreading misinformation to move their (vast) remaining '05 inventory? They're already giving them away as it is. Can you imainge the pressure to get rid of the remaining '05 cars if there were a bunch of '06s on the lot?.
I'm not sure where everyone thinks you can get a steal on a 05. I just looked on carsdirect.com which is usually a good indicator of what you can get the dealer down to. And the Mazda special pricing barely beats my S-plan price. The only incentive Mazda is putting up is $1000 Mazda Credit Financing Bonus Cash. I personally don't want to save a $1000 bucks to get an 05 model with 100 test drive miles where people are "Getting a feel for the car."
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12-08-2005, 02:53 AM
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At the SEMA show last month, I talked to 3 Mazda people from Irvine, and they had no info on the 2006. I mentioned that people on this forum had seen a 2006 at SevenStock. Their response was that it wasn't a 2006. When I asked about production, they said early 2006. They gave no reason for the delay. Whatever the reason, there could be further delays. So, skipping 2006, and an early intro of the 2007 would make sense. Remember the spring and summer of 2003? Rumors and speculation, but nothing from Mazda. 
12-08-2005, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Could this be the end? dun dun dun! Sales suck, plenty of '05s on the lots, dealers are almost giving them away, and no '06s in site. I'd say there may be a little validity to Xerxes claim... Maybe Mazda is rethinking things. Even if it's totally bogus it sure makes for some interesting drama
It's highly unlikely that there will be no 06 RX-8's. We already know of the changes for the 06 Autos as well as the color changes. The head of Mazda North America even admitted at Sevenstock that the 06 models won't become available until early 06 rather than late 05 as is usually customary with car companies. Yamaguchi-san slipped at the Sevenstock banquet and admitted to a few people that he was currently testing the transmission for the 2nd generation RX-8. He didn't say what kind of tranny it was or when the car would be out but there is definitely evidence to support that the RX-8 will be around for quite a while yet. Since production of a new car typically takes several years, it i highly unlikely that we would see this new car within the next few years. That means the current one will have to live that long. We aren't seeing the last of the RX-8s and there is absolutely no evidence to support this. The people that are worried about this are wasting their time and are doing nothing but spreading false rumors.
12-08-2005, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Where does everyone get the false idea that sales of them are slow? It has already sold more than the 3rd gen RX-7's did worldwide in it's decade+ existence. I wouldn't call that going away. I find it really interesting that no one seems to believe Mazda when it comes to power claims and no one believes what dealerships tell them when it comes to warranty work but suddenly someone believes a Mazda employee when the says there are no new RX-8's. Double standard? I think so! It's no secret that car enthusiasts will typically follow up with all the latest news and rumors and know more long before the dealerships and reps ever know anything. I even had a Mazda dealership tell me when I asked that there was no RX-8 even when it was concurrently being debuted at autoshows around the world. Yeah that's a trustworthy opinion. The even crazier idea is that anyone outsie of the company can actually tell how well the car line is doing soley by trying to interpret published numbers.
It's highly unlikely that there will be no 06 RX-8's. We already know of the changes for the 06 Autos as well as the color changes. The head of Mazda North America even admitted at Sevenstock that the 06 models won't become available until early 06 rather than late 05 as is usually customary with car companies. Yamaguchi-san slipped at the Sevenstock banquet and admitted to a few people that he was currently testing the transmission for the 2nd generation RX-8. He didn't say what kind of tranny it was or when the car would be out but there is definitely evidence to support that the RX-8 will be around for quite a while yet. Since production of a new car typically takes several years, it i highly unlikely that we would see this new car within the next few years. That means the current one will have to live that long. We aren't seeing the last of the RX-8s and there is absolutely no evidence to support this. The people that are worried about this are wasting their time and are doing nothing but spreading false rumors.
It's highly unlikely that there will be no 06 RX-8's. We already know of the changes for the 06 Autos as well as the color changes. The head of Mazda North America even admitted at Sevenstock that the 06 models won't become available until early 06 rather than late 05 as is usually customary with car companies. Yamaguchi-san slipped at the Sevenstock banquet and admitted to a few people that he was currently testing the transmission for the 2nd generation RX-8. He didn't say what kind of tranny it was or when the car would be out but there is definitely evidence to support that the RX-8 will be around for quite a while yet. Since production of a new car typically takes several years, it i highly unlikely that we would see this new car within the next few years. That means the current one will have to live that long. We aren't seeing the last of the RX-8s and there is absolutely no evidence to support this. The people that are worried about this are wasting their time and are doing nothing but spreading false rumors.
As for not believing what a dealer tells you, I totally agree. Hell, I had one dealer tell me that the RX-8 had 247hp after I testdrove one right after they came out! Crazy stuff huh?
12-08-2005, 04:44 AM
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2005 production trend
After analysing the large drop in production in the last few months of 2005 and the constant sales, it appears Mazda is running down its RX-8 stocks, probably in anticipation of the launching of the 2006 RX-8 in early 2006.
12-08-2005, 05:36 AM
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The 2006 RX-8 IS in production. Period. Whether or not they are going to ship them to the US is a different story. JDM DOES NOT CARRY STOCK! All new cars are made to order. In addition all that stuff that Zoom44 posted... the colors and new Shinka.. they are in all the flyers, etc. from JDM Mazda dealers with a note saying they can build your new car before the year's end.
12-08-2005, 07:06 AM
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That would great! I would get my 2006 maybe in mid January. I'm not trying to spread bad news but no RX8 for 2006 was told to me as he was taking my order. I was having fun picking colors and options when he made that phone call to the SE Dist. rep. and said he was wasting his and my time.
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12-08-2005, 07:25 AM
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To Ike, you do realize that car sales are in the dumps overall right? No not each and every model, but most cars out there right now are not selling very well. Enters the RX8, a 2+2 sports car with just OK fuel economy made by a company (Mazda) that has never really been the sales leader in any market segment other than the MX-5.
With that said, am I disappointed in the (US) sales numbers? YES, and I don't even work for Mazda but Mazda is not helping things out by virtually ignoring the RX8 in advertisements other than magazines.
Now that Mazda has worked out a few of the minor initial issues they will probably start to focus more on the next RX8 (well, next significant revision) with some more power and give it a new smile.
With all that said, I hope for the sake of those people wanting to buy a 06, that they do build them but if there were going to come out with an early 2007 model with more power and revised style...then so be it, maybe it's for the best.
Regardless, should we be so naive as to trust what a "dealership" tells us????? No offense, but I have yet to met a salesman that knows more about the car they are selling then I do and most of their bosses where once salesmen.
Note: No offense to those in sales, car sales, or dealership management. We all need jobs and their focus is on making sales so sometimes they don’t have the time to study their product, while of course I think they should know them well.
Last thing...Ike, you know I’m one of the people here who defend your existence here and I've commented many times that in the least...you keep us honest. BUT, with your initial comment it does not surprise me people take shots at you since it sure sounded like you were jumping for joy at the thought of the demise of the RX8. I'm not saying this is a fact, since it's just words on a website, but sometimes you sure sound smug against the 8.
Don't make me start to talk about the WRX....
With that said, am I disappointed in the (US) sales numbers? YES, and I don't even work for Mazda but Mazda is not helping things out by virtually ignoring the RX8 in advertisements other than magazines.
Now that Mazda has worked out a few of the minor initial issues they will probably start to focus more on the next RX8 (well, next significant revision) with some more power and give it a new smile.
With all that said, I hope for the sake of those people wanting to buy a 06, that they do build them but if there were going to come out with an early 2007 model with more power and revised style...then so be it, maybe it's for the best.
Regardless, should we be so naive as to trust what a "dealership" tells us????? No offense, but I have yet to met a salesman that knows more about the car they are selling then I do and most of their bosses where once salesmen.
Note: No offense to those in sales, car sales, or dealership management. We all need jobs and their focus is on making sales so sometimes they don’t have the time to study their product, while of course I think they should know them well.
Last thing...Ike, you know I’m one of the people here who defend your existence here and I've commented many times that in the least...you keep us honest. BUT, with your initial comment it does not surprise me people take shots at you since it sure sounded like you were jumping for joy at the thought of the demise of the RX8. I'm not saying this is a fact, since it's just words on a website, but sometimes you sure sound smug against the 8.
Don't make me start to talk about the WRX....
12-08-2005, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Xeres
The name of dealer I'm working with is Lancaster Mazda in California. Here's their web site http://www.laautogroup.com.
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12-08-2005, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Lets no go overboard and compare the RX-8 to past rotaries. The RX-8 was supposed to be a high volume car that would make Mazda money and compete with other RWD sportscars in the same pricerange. Mazda set sales goals and fell short, sales have slumped even further since. ?
go bacck in this forum to 2 years or so ago and you will find that they expected to sell 30,000 a year in NA they have sold (by the chart posted in media news) 60,000 in the US in the last 2 years. How have they not met the goals they set for themselves?
from the highly accurate Mark Rechtin
14:25 Jan. 20, 2003)
Mazda considering rotary-powered coupe, convertible variants of RX-8
By MARK RECHTIN | Automotive News
MONTEREY, Calif. -- Mazda Motor Corp. executives are considering variants of the high-performance RX-8 that goes on sale in June.
Executives at the vehicle's press introduction here said the company wants to build two-seat coupe and convertible versions.
The four-door, four-seat RX-8 is an expensive vehicle for Mazda to build. It is based on the only platform that the automaker does not share with parent Ford Motor Co. And the rotary engine is used only in the RX-8.
So the steeper development costs have prompted the company to consider model proliferation, said Joseph Bakaj, Mazda's head of global product development.
"If we get more volume, we amortize quicker. This is an all-new sports car platform with a unique collection of parts. I want to reuse that collection of parts with at least one more derivative," Bakaj (pronouced bah-KYE) said.
One reason the new sports car is called the RX-8 is because it is not a true successor to the RX-7, he said. Such a car would have to be a two-door, two-seat vehicle.
But before Mazda rushes to build another RX-7, Bakaj wants to see how the RX-8 does. Mazda hopes to sell about 18,000 units in the United States in 2003, and 30,000 units annually thereafter. That's a big jump; the previous generation RX-7 never broke 7,000 units.
Bakaj said the RX-8 has higher volume potential than a two-seater because of its easier access and ability to carry more people.
But, he said, Mazda will not proliferate the rotary engine outside any pure sports car applications. That means the Miata won't get it.
"Miata is a brand icon." Bakaj said. "It's simple, light and accessible. If you put the rotary into the Miata, you have to uprate the suspension and brakes, and the price creeps up and out of the sweet spot." He said the rotary engine alone costs about $2,000 more than the Miata's four-cylinder piston engine.
Mazda considering rotary-powered coupe, convertible variants of RX-8
By MARK RECHTIN | Automotive News
MONTEREY, Calif. -- Mazda Motor Corp. executives are considering variants of the high-performance RX-8 that goes on sale in June.
Executives at the vehicle's press introduction here said the company wants to build two-seat coupe and convertible versions.
The four-door, four-seat RX-8 is an expensive vehicle for Mazda to build. It is based on the only platform that the automaker does not share with parent Ford Motor Co. And the rotary engine is used only in the RX-8.
So the steeper development costs have prompted the company to consider model proliferation, said Joseph Bakaj, Mazda's head of global product development.
"If we get more volume, we amortize quicker. This is an all-new sports car platform with a unique collection of parts. I want to reuse that collection of parts with at least one more derivative," Bakaj (pronouced bah-KYE) said.
One reason the new sports car is called the RX-8 is because it is not a true successor to the RX-7, he said. Such a car would have to be a two-door, two-seat vehicle.
But before Mazda rushes to build another RX-7, Bakaj wants to see how the RX-8 does. Mazda hopes to sell about 18,000 units in the United States in 2003, and 30,000 units annually thereafter. That's a big jump; the previous generation RX-7 never broke 7,000 units.
Bakaj said the RX-8 has higher volume potential than a two-seater because of its easier access and ability to carry more people.
But, he said, Mazda will not proliferate the rotary engine outside any pure sports car applications. That means the Miata won't get it.
"Miata is a brand icon." Bakaj said. "It's simple, light and accessible. If you put the rotary into the Miata, you have to uprate the suspension and brakes, and the price creeps up and out of the sweet spot." He said the rotary engine alone costs about $2,000 more than the Miata's four-cylinder piston engine.
