rob.rotor

Took my 8 in for its first checkup. The a/c was on the to-do list. I had already insulated the frosty pipe.

Initial test was 49 deg. C. coming out. They evacuated 1.8 ltrs of freon and did a nitrogen pressure test. No leaks. They recharged the system and it took 2.4 ltrs.

So bottom line, it came from Mazda with not enough freon. It now blows 41 deg. C. and does not cycle on and off.

chudy

i'm sure you mean degs F not C cause otherwise thats one warm A/C unit

thanks for the tip though, i think i might need to do the same thing to my car next time i take it in.

rob.rotor

You're correct. Thanks.

After reading the frosty pipe thread, I think we *make the assumtion* that the system on a new car is going to be fully charged. In my case it wasn't.

pcimino

Mine wasn't either. I was getting 55 deg F. Dealer did the AC Amp TSB and found the system to be low on freon. They flushed and recharged the system. Now I get 52 deg F.

I don't know if its worth complaining again. What else could they do to get my temp down?

rob.rotor

I brought the AMP TSB to their attention. He told me all they can do is plug my VIN # in and that will determine automatically what I qualify for (or not).

Glyphon

the short answer is, cars built after 9/2003 don't qualify for the AC Amp TSB (i think).

if your car was built after 9/03 or your have had the TSB performed, you can reprogram the A/C. I never had a problem with my A/C, but decided to try reprograming it anyways, and now it is even colder than it was before.

these instructions have been posted before, but to save people from searching...

1. Make sure the car is off AND the HVAC fan is off AND the A/C on/off button is off.
2. Press and hold the front defroster (on the left) AND air source (recirc/fresh air) buttons
3. Continue pressing the buttons in step 2 and turn the key to ACC for 3 seconds
4. Continue pressing the buttons in step 2 and further turn the key to ON (NOT START) for 3 more seconds.
5. Verify the programming update by observing the REAR defroster LED blink 3 times.
6. Release the two buttons from step 2 and start the car.

RotaryZZ

>...... you can reprogram the A/C.

What do you mean by reprogram the A/C? What will that do??

I just have the A/C regulator being replaced under TSB last week, but it doesn't really feel much difference at all! Maybe I should have ask the dealer to check and see if I've enough freon to begin with.

Glyphon

When you turn on the A/C with the MODE button set to FACE and turn the thermostat to full COLD (max counter-clockwise setting) the RECIRC should automatically engage. In addition, the amplifier should put out colder air (~ 5-10 degrees F colder and not just from the RECIRC setting) and the compressor will not cycle nearly as often (which some of us found annoying).

Note: This programming change is not persistent. If the battery is fully discharged or disconnected the procedure needs to be repeated to re-enable the settings.

RotaryZZ

>If the battery is fully discharged or disconnected the procedure needs to be repeated to re-enable the settings.

In other words if my battery is never being recharged or disconnected before, there is no need for the above procedure (ie reprogram) done to the A/C

Glyphon

no, you still need to do it, because it is not the factory default programming. why, i have no idea.

RotaryZZ

In other words the reprogramming is to change the default setting coming from Mazda, am I correct? Then what's the factory default setting??

Hard 8

I tried your reset procedure at lunch, and it prompted the flashing light you described, and ... I think maybe the A/C was more powerful. Not sure, though. It did seem icy cold for the first time in a while.

RotaryZZ

>if your car was built after 9/03 or your have had the TSB performed, you can reprogram the A/C.

Mine is built before 9/03. Is that mean I cannot re-program it?

Tamas

iTrader: (1)

Correct - probably not. You will need to get the A/C amplifier replaced. There is a TSB about this problem with earlier cars.

RotaryZZ

I think they've replaced my A/C regulator. Is the regulator the same thing as amplifier??

Nubo

According to the bulletin it simply makes recirculate the default setting when the other parameters are met (face, ambient temp...)

BUT, I found it to noticeably improve the AC performance. And, since I was already using recirculate regularly it is NOT simply because it's now the default -- unless somehow the manual recirc selection wasn't really working before. I don't really understand what else the reset did but the performance improvement is unmistakeable. Much more than could be ascribed to a placebo effect. It seems some other folks are starting to get similar results.

My car has a Jan 2004 build date. So, supposedly the "new" amp, but it never had been "programmed" until recently when I found the instructions posted in the tech garage section.

RX-Hachi

My A/C seemed OK, not super cold, but good enough for our hot Hawaiian sun. So I never paid that much attention to these A/C threads and had no idea you could reprogram it yourself. Thanks Glyphon!

My car is a Mar. '04 build, but with the default setting. I just set the program to this one and it seems a tad colder. Really hard to say though for sure, as my A/C seemed fine to me before. I like fresh air, so the default of recircle is a pro and con. The pro is the when the car is hot, the a/c doesn't initially blow all that hot air at me at start up anymore. The con is I now need to always set it to fresh air again.

RedLineShinka

I just bought my Shinka (2005) so is there any reason why I shouldn't try this? (Before I F up my car?) heh.

RotaryZZ

I've tried to reprogram my A/C per suggestion above but that doesn't seems to work for me at all (the light didn't even flash after I've tried the steps). The built date on my car is 8/'03 and I've the A/C regulator replaced already.

Glyphon

i thought it was supposed to work with the updated a/c amp for the early production cars, but i guess it doesn't. sorry

Brice-RX8

RotaryZZ, are you saying regulator and amplifier being one in the same. I have an 07/03 build that had the amplifier replaced (little black box beside the gas pedal) a couple months ago and it does exactly what the programming instructions says it will do once programmed. If I try to do the steps to program it, the light will not flash since it is already programmed.

atl8

iTrader: (1)

Do the 2005 model year cars cycle their A/C constantly every 10 seconds or so like my early 2004 build does? I took it in for service only to have them tell me it was fully charged and operating normally. When inside the car you can feel the temperature of the air coming out of the vents change each time you hear the audible click of the A/C cycle. Is this really normal?

lshu

Yes they do. I was a little annoyed by this at first, but now I just open my windows or turn up the radio.

pcimino

Does anyone know what the spec temperature that's supposed to come out of the system? The techs should have some idea of the temp vs ambient. I keep reading people with temps like 45~49 deg F. I had the TSB done and it lowered my average temp from 55 to 52 F.

I want to complain to the dealer but need to know if I'm out of spec.

Glyphon

i never felt my a/c cycle (nor heard it) on my 2004 rx-8, even before i reprogrammed it. now, its just colder.