Mazda is not a Ford, Ford does not own Mazda
 

It seems a few people on this board are under the impression that Ford owns Mazda. Before you go passing along bad information, get your facts straight.

Fact:
Ford owns 31% of the stock in Mazda.
Ford "borrows" ideas from Mazda.
Mazda is owned by Mazda.
Ford helped Mazda through a period of financial crisis.
My RX8 is not a Ford.
Fords are still a POS.

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you have a lot to learn my young padawan...

Fact:

Mazda is a publicly traded company, and is owned by stockholders.

33% of which are Ford Motor Company

Oh this is good..

I have to agree on one point...Ford's are a POS...that fact has obviously been checked...may be the only one though. As for you ProCharger...I don't want to hear a damn thing from you until your little Rustang gets a block. :P

Try making that rollerskate you call an RX-8 do a burnout w/o dropping it from 9000 RPM's :)

And don't make me turn around from my desk and smack you.

Ford owns a 33.9% share in Mazda. Ford is highly dependent on Mazda for cash flow.
Mazda has been providing Ford with complete vehicles for years (B-Series trucks for example) and chassis are completely "borrowed" for Ford vehicles (Escort/323 for example). In turn, Ford builds Mazda vehicles here in the US (like the CD3 [6] along with the Fusion, Milan, and Zephyr and the CD2 [Tribute] Escape). Its not really "borrowing" - it is complete cross-development like every other automotive partnership in the industry.
Mazda is owned by the shareholders, of which Ford is the single largest, making it in control.
True.
True.
Often true.

I can do one in reverse with only 4000 RPM. Get a grip.

33.4 % which gives Ford Controlling Interest. So while Ford doesn't "OWN" Mazda, Mazda does what ever Ford wants.

LOL @ reverse :) Whats the top speed in reverse?

DeViLbOi sits next to me at work, he's just being his normal tool self :)

Except when Ford said kill the rotary and Mazda said NO F**K'N WAY!
Then Mazda said OK - we'll put in a back seat..

Ford never said "kill the rotary" and Mazda never took a stand on it one way or another (from a corporate POV).
Mazda stopped selling rotary-powered vehicles here a decade before they stopped selling them in Japan. There was never a time over the last 40 years where Mazda wasn't assembling rotary motors.
Ultimately, it was Ford executives that ensured that the '8 got built - almost right from the start of development.

True -
It was more like
Ford: "Hey Mazda, we think you can make more money with pistons."
Mazda: "Take this car for a drive and you will understand our passion."

I still dont' understand the logic that says 33.4% is a controlling interest. I thought you had to have over 50% do do whatever you want


maybe something about the other 66.6% being split evenly so the 33.4% overrules them....i dunno

Yep, all about % owned. Ford has the most of any one individual entity.

It's the difference between a majority & a plurality.
Many of the others tend to go along with the richest guy says.

No, you're right. You have to 51% to rule, and Ford only has 33.X% of the shares. But they are the single largest shareholder, but even then, if Ford votes one way and everyone else votes another, then Ford doesn't get there way. It's just more likely they do since they are the largest shareholder.

I still laught everytime I see that. I like how you sneek it in on unsurprising moments. We need to do it again and get better footage this time.

The 51% rule doesn't seem to apply to a Japanese Company, looking for a good link to back that up.

Considering how diversified the remaining shares are...it would be a small miracle for Ford to lose a vote.

This all assumes there are not some wacky corporate by-laws etc... BTDT, lawyers can do all kinds of crazy stuff.

I didn't understand it either until it was explained to me Japanese laws on all this are different from our own. What's weird is that a big comany like Ford could become weaker than Mazda in terms of finances but Ford would still control Mazda. There are real examples of this in Japan with other companies. It would be like a local produce guy reduced to selling watermelons out the back of his truck on the highway controlling Chiquita brands International.

From wikipedia: PS this has nothing to do with japanese laws... these are pretty universal provided the company has a 2/3rd rule.

We all know how accurate wikipedia is...12.3L Renesis anyone?

That only means that they can block something from changing in the company. Ford can round up enough like minded share holders and acquire their proxy votes to get their people on the Mazda B.O.D. Then they can steer the company.

Objection; Speculation.
Objection; Sustained.
Continue with known facts.

I looks like you haven't seen the latest quality reports from JDP. The cars are changing... It's people that are not. Everybody still thinks that Fords are POS.
It all depends on what you are looking for in a car....

oh... and to the OP, there are no secrets in the automotive industry anymore...
You will be surpriced at how automotive companies share resourses and components....

Have you ever wondered how the Ford Ranger looks like the Mazda B-Series trucks?

Or how the new Escape is almost identical to the Tribute? Both interior and exterior...

People's opinions won't change just because JDP says they're improving quality. It takes years to change opinions. Cars need to last longer than 5 years before falling apart. They need to go through a few winters without rusting. Everyone I know that owns a new "Furd" bitches about it. Everyone except the mustang fan boys. Which is funny, most of them are the ones with blown engines yet they're still pro-ford.

Yes, let's hop on the "I hate FURD!!11one!" bandwagon - the same company that makes my car and helps finance the creation of yours.

Good point, the JDP scores are indeed improving for the traditional North American vehicles..........and when they can maintain those superior scores for 10+ years in a row THEN they can start talking, otherwise they are still in the territory of one-shot wonder. And while it is true that Ford has controlling interest in Mazda that does not mean that Ford BUILDS them all. If my RX was assembled by some beer-guzzling redneck grade 3 dropout in a wife-beater NASCAR shirt I would be driving something else.

:icon_no2: it don't matter to me because you can't take away the thrill.and by the way our rx8 keys are refabbed escort keys.i checked i know and i don't care!it just has a pats chip in it with a different head.so what who cares and did anyone get paid for this advertisment?even ford g.t. owners take a second and even a third look when i drive past them!!:spank:

When will you understand...












THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE! :P

People crack me up. For the most part its all the same.. I used to work for Cummins (which is majority owned by Ford) & people would gripe & complain about how their Powerstroke did this & did that so much better, etc.. Than I had a guy come in & put on over 300,000 miles in a year & a half & never had a damn problem..

Every company has their good & bad. You laugh at the Ford boys & their *blown* engines, yet how many here have had their engines crap out, yet you still bought the Mazda didnt you?

Mazda's must be built by ninja's because they from JAPAN11! and we ALL know NINJA's come from JAPAN!!

So...where's the compartment for your throwing stars?

I test drove a fast Stang once.
I remember thinking - "This car's a pig, I wonder what kind of driver would like this?"

:yawn:

Does anyone know for a fact if ford still provides resources to Mazda? With the huge increase in sales the last 5-6 years, I'm sure they're self-sufficient.

Some people want turns, some want to go straight.. To each their own.

Isn't the C1 (?) platform (3/Europe Escort/etc.) based more on a Ford of Europe/Volvo than an original Mazda design?

Not that it matters.

If something works, why reinvent the wheel.

What I would really like to see (if it can fit) would be an RX8 car with the 2.3T MS3 motor. Sell it as a Ford product if you have too. I think this motor is heavier, but with 263 hp and 280 torque it should fly.

Personnaly I like having Ford with Mazda. With the invincible giant Toyota is becoming Mazda might need the help.

I think ProCharger GT would just settle for going at this point. In the couple years we have worked together I don't think his car has been "running" for more than a week straight.

http://lolcat.net/d/1222-1/manifold.jpg

There are some extremely impressive track mustangs - I know they don't handle as good in the twisty's stock vs. stock against an RX8, but check out these sites, and you'll see what I'm talking about:

http://www.griggsracing.com

http://www.maximummotorsports.com

I hate mah old valve springs :( :rant: :rant: :rant:

Ahem...it was VALVE SPRING trouble, not manifold w/ mechanic kittah! That cat doesn't know as much as his resume says he does...


Anyway, the bike will smoke you...and it's probably slower than the GT was on the old 4.6L.

I think the majority of us that have driven Fords understand the difference in philosophy between the marques.
The real issue is fit and finish.
Ford vehicles feel "worn" when they are brand new and, with very few exceptions, become worn almost immediately. I have yet to sit in an American-built late-model Ford with more than 10k miles on it that isn't missing some significant pieces of trim and finishing components. Don't get me started on the groaning, creaking, popping, snapping and squeaks that even brand-new Mustangs exhibit as soon as you start to push them.

:yawn:

I think you might be confusing Mustang with LT1/LS1 Camaro's....those are well known to snap/crackle/pop..

But their engines are unstoppable and have been touched by the hand of God...

:rolleyes:

:)

^^^ Amen to that. Thought the same thing after driving my buddy's brand new GT.

Truth hurts, sorry!

And yes, I'll still take you for a ride in it on the freeway :)

As soon as you bolt a 1200 lbs man on the back of your bike we can dance.

I'm sure you mean 'lb' man because the plural version just doesn't sound right....

Now y'all are comparing street cars to race car to bikes - YAWN!!

OK everyone - back to work..

Part of that is correct... the LS1 is a beast. The LT1 sucked in comparison.

So since the two negative comments were correct and it was only partially correct...does that mean that the engine was stoppable and not touched by god?