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Mazda Buy-Back
Finally declared a Lemon!
Hey all....I was on here a year or so ago trying to get information on the RX8 flooding issue and talked with a few of you then. The good news is that Mazda actually came through for me and repurchased my 2005 under the Lemon Law! Anyone that would like info from me about my experience, feel free to contact me. I used a Law Office advocate (no cost to me) and had my check within 3 months from the first contact. While some of you are RX8 lovers despite the quirks, some of us were not made aware of the "characteristics" at the time of purchase and need to be able to rely on our cars every day. Good luck to everyone! Teri ofarrells4@comcast.net |
Originally Posted by 911teri
(Post 3892951)
Finally declared a Lemon!
Hey all....I was on here a year or so ago trying to get information on the RX8 flooding issue and talked with a few of you then. The good news is that Mazda actually came through for me and repurchased my 2005 under the Lemon Law! Anyone that would like info from me about my experience, feel free to contact me. I used a Law Office advocate (no cost to me) and had my check within 3 months from the first contact. While some of you are RX8 lovers despite the quirks, some of us were not made aware of the "characteristics" at the time of purchase and need to be able to rely on our cars every day. Good luck to everyone! Teri ofarrells4@comcast.net |
Wow, just wow. Expect a lot of hate for this (and you deserve it). Also you might want to quit spamming this in other people's threads.
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Let me guess. YOU DID NOT READ THE OWNER'S MANUAL :uh: If you had you would have understood about preventing flooding and oil consumption. If you did not like the car you should have taken it back and/or trade it in and get something else. But we live in a "Hey let's SUE" society and instead of taking responsiblility for purchasing a car you obviously did not research you followed the lemmings off the cliff...:Wconfused
okbyethx..... |
Originally Posted by 911teri
(Post 3892951)
Finally declared a Lemon!
Hey all....I was on here a year or so ago trying to get information on the RX8 flooding issue and talked with a few of you then. The good news is that Mazda actually came through for me and repurchased my 2005 under the Lemon Law! Anyone that would like info from me about my experience, feel free to contact me. I used a Law Office advocate (no cost to me) and had my check within 3 months from the first contact. While some of you are RX8 lovers despite the quirks, some of us were not made aware of the "characteristics" at the time of purchase and need to be able to rely on our cars every day. Good luck to everyone! Teri ofarrells4@comcast.net I drive my 8 everyday for the past 5 almost 6 years never failed? Even when the compression test for the engine fails it still starts everytime I want it to. hmm, I guess you either a moron, or you really got a lemon, which can happen to every single line of cars out there. Stop making it like Rx-8 has issue. the issue its you or your luck. |
Originally Posted by 911teri
(Post 3892951)
some of us were not made aware of the "characteristics" at the time of purchase
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Originally Posted by JantzenRX-8
(Post 3893018)
aka - you didn't do your homework and now you're making someone else pay for your ignorance.
it runs just like a normal engine, except much more awesome. |
I think you are all being overly harsh. It's NOT like every other car, especially in the 2003-2005 period. It needed a little extra attention and care, including doing things that people just dont have to do with other cars.
If you take your heads out of the rotary enthusiast bubble, you'd agree. You buy a simple reliable japanese 4-banger, and you can start it whenever you want (hot or cold), put any normal gas in it, change the oil every 15,000 miles, and not bother reading the owners manual and it's ok, because it acts like most cars should. True, they're not major issues, but they definitely have/had quirks that most everyday cars dont have. Especially if the dealer didnt know about or mention those things, and sold it as a carefree daily driver, I completely understand why the OP wrote what he did. If you buy a g35, you might need to read the manual to figure out how to work the GPS, but you sure as hell don't have to if you just want it to start and run properly. |
Originally Posted by elysium19
(Post 3893110)
I think you are all being overly harsh. It's NOT like every other car, especially in the 2003-2005 period. It needed a little extra attention and care, including doing things that people just dont have to do with other cars.
If you take your heads out of the rotary enthusiast bubble, you'd agree. You buy a simple reliable japanese 4-banger, and you can start it whenever you want (hot or cold), put any normal gas in it, change the oil every 15,000 miles, and not bother reading the owners manual and it's ok, because it acts like most cars should. True, they're not major issues, but they definitely have/had quirks that most everyday cars dont have. Especially if the dealer didnt know about or mention those things, and sold it as a carefree daily driver, I completely understand why the OP wrote what he did. If you buy a g35, you might need to read the manual to figure out how to work the GPS, but you sure as hell don't have to if you just want it to start and run properly. All you have to do with this car that is different from any other is that you are "required" to check and add oil every 400 miles or so, and not shut it off cold. I dont see how taking 20 seconds to look at the manual is a gigantic drawback to owning an RX8. I always look at the manual for a car that I am going to be driving a lot. |
Originally Posted by elysium19
(Post 3893110)
I think you are all being overly harsh. It's NOT like every other car, especially in the 2003-2005 period. It needed a little extra attention and care, including doing things that people just dont have to do with other cars.
If you take your heads out of the rotary enthusiast bubble, you'd agree. You buy a simple reliable japanese 4-banger, and you can start it whenever you want (hot or cold), put any normal gas in it, change the oil every 15,000 miles, and not bother reading the owners manual and it's ok, because it acts like most cars should. True, they're not major issues, but they definitely have/had quirks that most everyday cars dont have. Especially if the dealer didnt know about or mention those things, and sold it as a carefree daily driver, I completely understand why the OP wrote what he did. If you buy a g35, you might need to read the manual to figure out how to work the GPS, but you sure as hell don't have to if you just want it to start and run properly. |
With the vast majority of other moden cars, you don't ever need to check the oil level unless the dummy light goes on. Just change it at the proper intervals.
And the early model years, before the flashes and updates and upgraded battery and upgraded starter and MSP-16 (the list goes on and on), DID flood a lot. I LOVE the rotary, don't get me wrong, but that's because i understand and accept the quirks of it (which are not as bad of an issue now). I think getting it bought back by a lemon-law is overkill, i would have been more reasonable to just let the dealer do all the fixes, but even those took YEARS for them to finally take care of the issues. I can't blame a guy one bit for getting fed up with it. Seriously, you guys are bordering on serious fanboy-ism. The fact that you're here, posting on rx8club.com, means you are probably an enthusiast. You can't even understand that 95% of rx8 drivers have never even HEARD of rx8club.com. You're in a bubble and you don't even know it. |
Originally Posted by elysium19
(Post 3893144)
With the vast majority of other moden cars, you don't ever need to check the oil level unless the dummy light goes on. Just change it at the proper intervals.
And the early model years, before the flashes and updates and upgraded battery and upgraded starter and MSP-16 (the list goes on and on), DID flood a lot. I LOVE the rotary, don't get me wrong, but that's because i understand and accept the quirks of it (which are not as bad of an issue now). I think getting it bought back by a lemon-law is overkill, i would have been more reasonable to just let the dealer do all the fixes, but even those took YEARS for them to finally take care of the issues. I can't blame a guy one bit for getting fed up with it. Seriously, you guys are bordering on serious fanboy-ism. The fact that you're here, posting on rx8club.com, means you are probably an enthusiast. You can't even understand that 95% of rx8 drivers have never even HEARD of rx8club.com. You're in a bubble and you don't even know it. I just dont see how checking the oil every 400 miles makes this car terrible. I mean my 3000GT burns more oil than my RX8. |
The OP didnt say it was terrible. And I didn't either. All he said was that it had some reliability issues due to flooding, which is undeniable, and that this was unexpected. And i just thought it was weird and fanboy-like for you all to be jumping on his back for stating the truth.
And the explorer tire thing triggered a MASSIVE involuntary recall. Madza, on the other hand, just put out TSBs about the issue. You only got a new starter and battery if you brought in a flooded car, or clearly had starting problems. Anyone who's had to pay for a replacement starter out of pocket (like me) is still pissed about that, because they all should have been better from the start. |
Originally Posted by elysium19
(Post 3893110)
I think you are all being overly harsh. It's NOT like every other car, especially in the 2003-2005 period. It needed a little extra attention and care, including doing things that people just dont have to do with other cars.
If you take your heads out of the rotary enthusiast bubble, you'd agree. You buy a simple reliable japanese 4-banger, and you can start it whenever you want (hot or cold), put any normal gas in it, change the oil every 15,000 miles, and not bother reading the owners manual and it's ok, because it acts like most cars should. True, they're not major issues, but they definitely have/had quirks that most everyday cars dont have. Especially if the dealer didnt know about or mention those things, and sold it as a carefree daily driver, I completely understand why the OP wrote what he did. If you buy a g35, you might need to read the manual to figure out how to work the GPS, but you sure as hell don't have to if you just want it to start and run properly. Im not sure what kind of oil you are using but ... Even tho it might still work but ... who would wait 15K miles to change their oil these days. seriously. most of the time they change it every 3-5 K, anything over that 99% of the time they just "forgot", or be as stupid as one of my friend, he never changed his oil and wonder why the check engine light turns on and his Sienna is slower and slower, he was saying Toyota sucks that time too I was like wtf? I got my car since 05 I didn't pay too much attention to it. it works, even when the engine failed compression test. one thing to remember is that people love to blame others for their fuck ups, in this case, "Rotary" is perfect. Lemon happens all the time but of course OP will still blame the machine, not his "bad luck" Flooding? I probably have some super luck or something cuz I shut my car off cold, like 15 degrees cold, no issue. even before the 4206f flash. hmm ? |
If you wait 15k to do an oil change in your Camry, you will have tar in the sump, and a ruined engine, with NO buyback.
Check the Toyota forums for the stories of woe..... |
Wow this is sad. I have had my 8 for over 7yrs now. (Wow it's been that long) The only times I've had problems starting it is in the dead of winter when it's well below freezing. It takes a bit longer to start but it does. Heck a few weeks ago I started it when it was well below zero. Let it run for like 2 minutes and shut it off. A week later it started right up no problem.
If you don't want a car you have to maintain don't buy a ANY sports car. Stick with a honda. And for the guy that goes 15k miles without an oil change good luck to you. I won't even let my mom go that long before getting an oil change done. |
Originally Posted by StealthTL
(Post 3893212)
If you wait 15k to do an oil change in your Camry, you will have tar in the sump, and a ruined engine, with NO buyback.
Check the Toyota forums for the stories of woe..... most European cars come with full synthetic oil and extra large filter than can go over 10k miles between oil changes. RX8's 5K interval is not short either being only using dino oil. |
I wonder if the OP is related to the lady who sued Mcdonalds cause the coffee she spilt on herself was hot.
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If the OP had constant floods, whether hot or cold, long or short start / shutdown intervals, I could see why they would take it in as a lemon. But if it's just because they kept shutting it down cold... That's pretty lame.
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Who gives a shit. See ya later.
Thank you for pulling your posts from other threads. I only needed to read it once. |
Originally Posted by Jacob6875
(Post 3893119)
The reason you can't go 15k miles between oil changes is because your not supposed to use synthetic in this car......... non synthetic oil does not really last that long so it needs to be changed more often.
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Originally Posted by jasonrxeight
(Post 3893235)
they use different oil and filtering system for that long oil change intervals. also theres requirement if you want to go that long something like changing the filter halfway. it says something in the manual I believe.
most European cars come with full synthetic oil and extra large filter than can go over 10k miles between oil changes. RX8's 5K interval is not short either being only using dino oil. Agreed. I've done many 8k-10k oil changes on Chevy's in my family with no bad effects. You just need to use the right oil and filter for it (We used Mobil 1 Products). None of them had "sludge" build up, or burned oil (but we did check it ever 3k miles or so), and they all past 100k easily, some made it past 200k like this before selling. We only used their built in "Oil life Monitoring System" which is based off how you drive the car/truck. Out of the 7 vehicles only one engine failed so far, mine @108k miles and 4 years old, not from oil problems but from a common issues with 3X00 series engines, Head Gasket failure, combined with a unknown broken coolant level sensor, which pretty much destroyed the heads. I personally wouldn't go past 3k miles for a oil change on a Rotary engine though. To the OP, Like said before you should have done your homework before buying any car. You made Mazda pay for your stupidity. |
Irony:
My 8's engine has lasted 81,000 miles. My Corolla's engine only lasted 72,000 miles. Mazda > Toyota for reliability :suspect: Edit: More proof? 91 Corolla: 60,000 miles to ~70,000 miles, engine died when an SUV landed on it. Should be a warranty against that 91 Corolla: 31,000 miles to 119,000 miles, engine was fine 02 Corolla: 19 miles to 72,000 miles, engine died, 72,000 to 93,000 on rebuilt engine and transmission dies 03 Protege5: 44,000 miles to 108,000 miles, perfectly fine 06 Mazda5: 4 miles to 55,000 miles, still no issues (still own) 05 RX-8: 8,600 miles to 81,000 miles, no issues (still own) 99 Miata: 103,000 miles to 109,000 miles, no issues (still own) So yeah, Mazda > Toyota for reliability. |
Originally Posted by elysium19
(Post 3893144)
With the vast majority of other moden cars, you don't ever need to check the oil level unless the dummy light goes on. Just change it at the proper intervals.
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Originally Posted by Jacob6875
(Post 3893119)
The reason you can't go 15k miles between oil changes is because your not supposed to use synthetic in this car......... non synthetic oil does not really last that long so it needs to be changed more often.
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Originally Posted by 911teri
(Post 3892951)
Finally declared a Lemon!
Hey all....I was on here a year or so ago trying to get information on the RX8 flooding issue and talked with a few of you then. The good news is that Mazda actually came through for me and repurchased my 2005 under the Lemon Law! Anyone that would like info from me about my experience, feel free to contact me. I used a Law Office advocate (no cost to me) and had my check within 3 months from the first contact. While some of you are RX8 lovers despite the quirks, some of us were not made aware of the "characteristics" at the time of purchase and need to be able to rely on our cars every day. Good luck to everyone! Teri ofarrells4@comcast.net |
Originally Posted by cornholio135
(Post 3892977)
Let me guess. YOU DID NOT READ THE OWNER'S MANUAL :uh: If you had you would have understood about preventing flooding and oil consumption. If you did not like the car you should have taken it back and/or trade it in and get something else. But we live in a "Hey let's SUE" society and instead of taking responsibility for purchasing a car you obviously did not research you followed the lemmings off the cliff...:Wconfused
okbyethx..... Exactly. |
i don't know the story behind the op's issues or what happened... but, all car manufacturers churn out some lemons... and, if any of us gets a lemon, i think we ought to be empathizing- not flaming...
bottom-line is, his issue was satisfactorily resolved from both the perspective of him and mazda. if the 8 isn't the right car for him, then at least he has a chance to get something else. i don't get why all the hating is for. |
My 8 is the most advanced, most durable car I've ever owned.
In four years and 24k miles I've gone to the dealer (across the street, too) for 1st free oil change, extra valet key, and battery charge (my fault for using valet key instead of smart key to lock car). I had a 85 Cougar that was blowing coolant, and found out 6 years later that the head gasket wasn't tight enough; too late for warranty. Had a 92 F150 that got 700 miles to quart, and wore out at 170k; probably defective head gasket again, but who can complain about distance. I think Mazda's biggest mistake was putting cheap coils in, and not telling us it was a maintenance item; IMO that no company can make a car any more defect free. For people not happy with a thinking mans car like the 8, they make plain cars like a Toyotas. |
Originally Posted by Detrich
(Post 3894075)
i don't know the story behind the op's issues or what happened... but, all car manufacturers churn out some lemons... and, if any of us gets a lemon, i think we ought to be empathizing- not flaming...
bottom-line is, his issue was satisfactorily resolved from both the perspective of him and mazda. if the 8 isn't the right car for him, then at least he has a chance to get something else. i don't get why all the hating is for. Meh, you have your opinion, we have ours. :) It's not "hating", it's opinions formed after years of hearing people crying about gas mileage, flooding, ignition coil issues, etc. after they bought an RX8 when had they done ten minutes of research they could have learned about those issues before purchasing the car. If you buy a car with knowing it's "characteristics" then that is your fault. Calling an RX8 a lemon because it floods it stupid. |
This thread is bullshit.
You can not get a lemon law on a 6 year old car. |
Originally Posted by Razz1
(Post 3894160)
This thread is bullshit.
You can not get a lemon law on a 6 year old car. |
So, i went googling to find some info on lemon laws.
Did you all know that there are puppy and kitten lemon laws. This distracted me and I didn't complete my search for info, but I did find it fascinating and quite frankly, more interesting than this thread. |
Im sure the dealership didn't help at any point. They're skimish to say things that are red flags - such as higher maintence, or some type of care needed. The RX-8 isn't a normal car by any means - hell the engine alone is smaller than my 6 cyl corolla (RIP). If it wasn't for the fact I went to the dealership knowing these things- check your oil, make sure to not cold start, need to do your own work- I would've have checked my oil, ever. I would've shutdown my engine cold. It needs a bit of TLC. My girlfriend hates the car because I show it more love than her. and I admit it, i love my car more than her too.
There is always the fact it could've been a bad rx-8 produced. It's a mechanical item, it's not perfect, it's been machined and even molded items have differences that vary amoung it's brethren. Cars these age are a bit more than just wheels and an engine. Everything about the car is built from the ground up. There's systems within systems and they work in harmony - sometimes. The fact is, it's a complicated machine. Things happen, lift it, fix it, drive it harder. Congratulations on the new car. Hopefully it'll last longer. Now, if you don't mind - im going to enjoy my drive in my waxed rx-8 to the bank, so I can talk to this banker chica about why she has a half-eaten waffle on her stomach while she's passed out on the floor ;) |
Originally Posted by Razz1
(Post 3894160)
This thread is bullshit.
You can not get a lemon law on a 6 year old car. |
Originally Posted by elysium19
(Post 3893160)
...And the explorer tire thing triggered a MASSIVE involuntary recall. Madza, on the other hand, just put out TSBs...
Ken |
WOW...I was on this site a few months ago and was able to talk to other RX8 owners and get some valuable information about the problems with my car. My car had the normal flooding issues, and several other serious engine problems (extreme loss of power while on the freeway among them) which is the reason that Mazda DID do a full re-purchase on my 2005 RX8 with 55,000 miles on it. I went back on here to share that info in case anyone else in my position needed assistance with the process. It was a complete LEMON, Mazda knew it and stood behind their product. What I did not expect to find was a bunch of know-it-all arrogant pricks that felt the need to spout their venom, just because someone was honest about the problems with their vehicle. THEIR vehicle, not yours, and what makes you think that you know ANYTHING about MY vehicle. I loved my RX8....but paid for and needed a reliable car. Thanks to those of you that weren't haters.....the rest of you judgmental clueless pricks can rot in your rotaries......
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Lame rx8 owners
WOW...I was on this site a few months ago and was able to talk to other RX8 owners and get some valuable information about the problems with my car. My car had the normal flooding issues, and several other serious engine problems (extreme loss of power while on the freeway among them) which is the reason that Mazda DID do a full re-purchase on my 2005 RX8 with 55,000 miles on it. I went back on here to share that info in case anyone else in my position needed assistance with the process. It was a complete LEMON, Mazda knew it and stood behind their product. What I did not expect to find was a bunch of know-it-all arrogant pricks that felt the need to spout their venom, just because someone was honest about the problems with their vehicle. THEIR vehicle, not yours, and what makes you think that you know ANYTHING about MY vehicle. I loved my RX8....but paid for and needed a reliable car. Thanks to those of you that weren't haters.....the rest of you judgmental clueless pricks can rot in your rotaries......
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Wait ... wait wait WAIT!!!!
What's this thing called maintenance .... Our car burns oil? LIES I tell you LIES!!! My RX8 has is the best running V9 I've ever owned. |
WOW...I was on this site a few months ago and was able to talk to other RX8 owners and get some valuable information about the problems with my car. My car had the normal flooding issues, and several other serious engine problems (extreme loss of power while on the freeway among them) which is the reason that Mazda DID do a full re-purchase on my 2005 RX8 with 55,000 miles on it. I went back on here to share that info in case anyone else in my position needed assistance with the process. It was a complete LEMON, Mazda knew it and stood behind their product. What I did not expect to find was a bunch of know-it-all arrogant pricks that felt the need to spout their venom, just because someone was honest about the problems with their vehicle. THEIR vehicle, not yours, and what makes you think that you know ANYTHING about MY vehicle. I loved my RX8....but paid for and needed a reliable car. Thanks to those of you that weren't haters.....the rest of you judgmental clueless pricks can rot in your rotaries......
And one more time for good measure..... I'm enjoying my Infiniti G35 that actually starts and runs! |
Originally Posted by 911teri
(Post 3892951)
Hey all....I was on here a year or so ago...
Originally Posted by 911teri
(Post 3898653)
WOW...I was on this site a few months ago....the rest of you judgmental clueless pricks can enjoy your rotaries while I drive something lamer......
:dunno: holy self contradiction... whether a few months or a year sounds from your brief rant that you would have qualified for an engine replacement. Should have pushed the dealer for a replacement at least but anyway enjoy yourself in your new ride whatever it is...:smoker: and triple posting that's real mature.... |
LOL
Yup the RX8club is full of drama. Nice choice btw |
Originally Posted by Speed_8
(Post 3893240)
I wonder if the OP is related to the lady who sued Mcdonalds cause the coffee she spilt on herself was hot.
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Originally Posted by cornholio135
(Post 3898657)
fixed ^
:dunno: holy self contradiction... whether a few months or a year sounds from your brief rant that you would have qualified for an engine replacement. Should have pushed the dealer for a replacement at least but anyway enjoy yourself in your new ride whatever it is...:smoker: and triple posting that's real mature.... And I didn't mean to triple post :) ....... I'm obviously not as versed as all of you in the forum world.....was just trying to help others that might be going through what I went through... I am amazed at how defensive you "enthusiasts" are...... I think you need a reality check.... maybe less time on the forums and more time in the real world.... |
MMMMmmm... I love the smell of anger in the evening....:evil_laug guess his post count will go up a few before he leaves for good...:smoker:
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Originally Posted by cornholio135
(Post 3898668)
MMMMmmm... I love the smell of anger in the evening....:evil_laug guess his post count will go up a few before he leaves for good...:smoker:
Now you can all jump all over that in order to justify your hating...... |
:wavey:
enjoy the g35... kthxby... |
Originally Posted by 911teri
(Post 3898672)
And BTW...... I'm a SHE....
Now you can all jump all over that in order to justify your hating...... |
Teri, it would have helped if you had been more specific on the issues you were having. Just saying "my car flooded, so I had Mazda buy it back" is pretty general. Did you keep moving it when it was cold and shutting it off? Did you know about the quirks of the engine?
I'm sorry that the RX-8 left a sour taste in your mouth. I feel like it's truly an amazing car, even if it's not for everybody. |
Originally Posted by fuztupnz
(Post 3894170)
So, i went googling to find some info on lemon laws.
Did you all know that there are puppy and kitten lemon laws. This distracted me and I didn't complete my search for info, but I did find it fascinating and quite frankly, more interesting than this thread. at first i was like: :rofl: but then i was like: :scratchhe ...cause how are they gonna fix that puppy? so then i was like: :dunno: i dunno...since i don't wanna look it up. |
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