Mazda admits power deficiency!
08-22-2003, 04:43 PM
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Thanks for the inside info buda. You are definitely an asset to the forum.
Did they have any reason for the shortage? Did they know about it? Any other info, perhaps?
Did they have any reason for the shortage? Did they know about it? Any other info, perhaps?
08-22-2003, 04:46 PM
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Re: budaman
Originally posted by graphicguy
Excuse my ignorance but who is "budaman" and why would Mazda corporate break this news to him in a conference call?
Excuse my ignorance but who is "budaman" and why would Mazda corporate break this news to him in a conference call?
Right, Budaman?
08-22-2003, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by budaman
The letters should start going out Monday. As far as the extended warranties, those are not issued by MNAO, they are issued by private companies or in some instances mazda credit and the free scheduled maint. won't apply once the factory 4/50000 warranty expires.
The letters should start going out Monday. As far as the extended warranties, those are not issued by MNAO, they are issued by private companies or in some instances mazda credit and the free scheduled maint. won't apply once the factory 4/50000 warranty expires.
Oh well. Like you said, I'm happy with the way the car behaves and at least will get 500 bucks. Wish I could have gotten the free service too. Guess I'll go visit my dealer when I get the letter and see what can be arranged.
08-22-2003, 04:49 PM
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Wow, if they go through with this, it's great news! I love my car and I wouldn't give it up, but that free warranty service and $500 check card will be a lovely thing to have as well.
08-22-2003, 04:50 PM
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Re: how the fell did it happen again?!?!??!
Originally posted by tribal azn2
it went from 250 to 247 to 238, what the hell???
it went from 250 to 247 to 238, what the hell???
Sheesh! Can we please let all the wild-*** speculation and inaccuracies go and concentrate on the known facts?
08-22-2003, 04:51 PM
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so i'm wondering whether i can have mazda buy the car back, then repurchase one for much cheaper when this breaks publicly. maybe get even more than the $1260 worth of maintenance and credit. hmmmm...
08-22-2003, 04:52 PM
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I will have to think about this...
I paid sticker for the 8, so if I sell it back to Mazda I could then go out and hammer out a deal for one of these "underpowered" RX-8s that are sitting on the lots in the DFW area. Might just get me a new RX-8 with the nav option for what I paid for the first one.
The only drawback will be having to take it easy for ANOTHER 600 mile break in.
Any mention of the time frame you have to sell one back?
I paid sticker for the 8, so if I sell it back to Mazda I could then go out and hammer out a deal for one of these "underpowered" RX-8s that are sitting on the lots in the DFW area. Might just get me a new RX-8 with the nav option for what I paid for the first one.
The only drawback will be having to take it easy for ANOTHER 600 mile break in.
Any mention of the time frame you have to sell one back?
08-22-2003, 04:54 PM
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Re: Further info
Originally posted by eccles
He also said that Mazda was obliged to do something because the claimed hp numbers are printed on the window stickers - if they had only been used in advertising material, they would have been subject to a wider margin or error. (Or words to that effect.)
He also said that Mazda was obliged to do something because the claimed hp numbers are printed on the window stickers - if they had only been used in advertising material, they would have been subject to a wider margin or error. (Or words to that effect.)
Anyhow it shows clearly..
1.3L ROTARY ENGINE WITH 247HP
08-22-2003, 04:54 PM
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I'm keeping the car, after reviewing the RX-8 Owners Manual, I'm satisfied with using the Scheduled Maintenance option #2 on page 8-5 and receiving a $500 credit. If you are happy with the car now you should be satisfied with the free maintenance and some cash. But Mazda should really get their sh*t together, this is an embarassing blunder. Hope no one at Mazda Japan commits Seppuku over the situation.
08-22-2003, 05:03 PM
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Re: Re: how the fell did it happen again?!?!??!
Originally posted by eccles
Bollocks! How many times do folks have to point out that 250ps - the original spec - is 247hp?
Sheesh! Can we please let all the wild-*** speculation and inaccuracies go and concentrate on the known facts?
Bollocks! How many times do folks have to point out that 250ps - the original spec - is 247hp?
Sheesh! Can we please let all the wild-*** speculation and inaccuracies go and concentrate on the known facts?
Originally posted by BRx8
if you can see that (it's kinda blurry) it clearly shows 250hp...this is from Maxim Magazine, US...i also have seen 250hp on billboards and other publications...also the website was at 250hp when i ordered and suddenly went down to 247hp...so NO, i'm not hallucinating..
if you can see that (it's kinda blurry) it clearly shows 250hp...this is from Maxim Magazine, US...i also have seen 250hp on billboards and other publications...also the website was at 250hp when i ordered and suddenly went down to 247hp...so NO, i'm not hallucinating..
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08-22-2003, 05:10 PM
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Budaman, what do you know of some sort of deadline on Tuesday? Now I just heard from my dealer that the car needs to be ordered and SHIPPED by Tuesday, not purchased by Tuesday. In which case my order would be eligible. But they aren't 100% sure.
08-22-2003, 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by tpryor
From their own documentation, Jon.
From their own documentation, Jon.
08-22-2003, 05:17 PM
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238hp....mmmm...drives fine, 50K miles warranty, free service, 500 bucks for window tinting or to make an extra payment on the loan.....4 seats, rotary. I'll keep it.
And pray they will launch a 2 seater or convertible in a couple years....hopefuly with the same problem :p and the same deal.
Now, until I receive that letter, I won't bother thinking about it. Besides their MazdaUsa still says 247hp. If they had the specs revised, they better update them on their site and remove advertising from the streets fast.
And pray they will launch a 2 seater or convertible in a couple years....hopefuly with the same problem :p and the same deal.
Now, until I receive that letter, I won't bother thinking about it. Besides their MazdaUsa still says 247hp. If they had the specs revised, they better update them on their site and remove advertising from the streets fast.
08-22-2003, 05:18 PM
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What does Mazda plan to do with the cars bought back? Resell them as CPO?
I'm not saying it's possible, but imagine driving the car for another month, selling it back to Mazda for full sticker, then repurchasing the exact same car. You're bound to save more than $2k on the deal.
Another alternative: if you can find a dealer selling cars at $500 over invoice, sell the car back to Mazda after one month and then buy a new one. You save over $3k (assuming you bought at sticker) and essentially have use of a brand new car for two months absolutely free.
Yes it sucks that the car doesn't have the original rated horsepower, yes it's nice that Mazda is doing something to make up for it and yes we can totally take advantage of it even if we want to keep the car.
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I'm not saying it's possible, but imagine driving the car for another month, selling it back to Mazda for full sticker, then repurchasing the exact same car. You're bound to save more than $2k on the deal.
Another alternative: if you can find a dealer selling cars at $500 over invoice, sell the car back to Mazda after one month and then buy a new one. You save over $3k (assuming you bought at sticker) and essentially have use of a brand new car for two months absolutely free.
Yes it sucks that the car doesn't have the original rated horsepower, yes it's nice that Mazda is doing something to make up for it and yes we can totally take advantage of it even if we want to keep the car.
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08-22-2003, 05:22 PM
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In order to tell if this is a great opportunity for people like me who already love this car, I need to know what is going to be covered in the 4 years to follow. What type of free maint. I love this car but I paid for it in cash with almost every possible option. That's a lot of Cash. I do love the car But ...
08-22-2003, 05:26 PM
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From how I understand what was said, If you have a car on order, whether it is built or not, you will be able to take advantage of the program. It is extremely important though that you make sure your dealer has all you info in the customer information screen in his vehicle request report. This is what Mazda will use to determine those customers that have preordered cars. One other note, Mazda has requested that any dealer that has taken a deposit on an RX8 and the customer decides he does not want to purchase it, return that customers deposit without hesitation.
08-22-2003, 05:28 PM
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VERY dissappointed in Mazda. First their Halo car at the time, the Miata is down on power, now their new halo car is down on power.
At least it didnt Mazda as long to admit it as it did the Miata. The 01 miata issue went on for a couple months at least.
At least it didnt Mazda as long to admit it as it did the Miata. The 01 miata issue went on for a couple months at least.
08-22-2003, 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by mmjames
In order to tell if this is a great opportunity for people like me who already love this car, I need to know what is going to be covered in the 4 years to follow. What type of free maint. I love this car but I paid for it in cash with almost every possible option. That's a lot of Cash. I do love the car But ...
In order to tell if this is a great opportunity for people like me who already love this car, I need to know what is going to be covered in the 4 years to follow. What type of free maint. I love this car but I paid for it in cash with almost every possible option. That's a lot of Cash. I do love the car But ...
oil, oil filter, drain plug gasket, inspections, and labor at every 5,000 mile interval and at 30,000 mile you will also get air filter,spark plugs,m/t oil, rear diff oil. as well as tire rotations at every 3,750 miles. this is all from the miata program. it may be different for the rx-8.
08-22-2003, 05:33 PM
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250 PS vs. 247 HP
I'm really sorry that some "idiots" refuse to believe eccles, who is just trying to add clarification to the posted HP issue. The PS (metric horsepower) vs. "American" HP, is explained here: Horsepower and Torque Explained
As in regards to people not knowing before they bought the vehicle, it is posted on the window sticker - 247 HP.
As in regards to people not knowing before they bought the vehicle, it is posted on the window sticker - 247 HP.
08-22-2003, 05:33 PM
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i don't think it's a PR disaster
as a matter of fact, this is good PR, in a 'Apollo 13' sort of way.
Mazda screwed up, they admit it in almost 'internet time', and gives out compensation to current owners without hesitation.
that says A LOT about MNAO regarding customer satisfaction.
as reference, how did Ford handle the '99 SVT Cobra power deficiency fiasco???
as a matter of fact, this is good PR, in a 'Apollo 13' sort of way.
Mazda screwed up, they admit it in almost 'internet time', and gives out compensation to current owners without hesitation.
that says A LOT about MNAO regarding customer satisfaction.
as reference, how did Ford handle the '99 SVT Cobra power deficiency fiasco???
08-22-2003, 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by Lensman
Budaman: from your perspective do you see this as a PR disaster for the company or 'just one of those things'?
Budaman: from your perspective do you see this as a PR disaster for the company or 'just one of those things'?