Notices
RX-8 Discussion General discussion about the RX-8 that doesn't fit in one of the specialty forums.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: CARiD

Living within your means...seriously.

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 10:39 AM
  #1  
Stavesacre21's Avatar
Thread Starter
1.21 Jiggawatts
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,330
Likes: 0
From: Lima, OH
Living within your means...seriously.

So i went by my dealership today to straighten out some details on the extra GAP coverage that i didn't need, and while i'm waiting to get into the financing office, my dealer shoots the breeze with me.

When i first bought my 8, it was between my 05 VR 8, and an 05 black 8 with almost 400 miles on the tick. Since I didn't buy the black one, i'd been keeping my eye on it for almost 3 months to see how long it took to disappear. Finally one day it went.

So I ask my dealer what happened to it, and he told me a story I almost couldn't believe...I mean, absurd.

So a FAMILY comes into the dealership, 5 people total. They say that they want an 8 and will do anything to make it their FAMILY car. Ends up that they traded in an early 90's mini-van, 2 beat-to-crap early 80s RX-7s, and a rusted-through 85 dodge ram.

Yes that's right, 4 vehicles...and got about $4K for them all. Come to find out they live in a trailer, had been bankrupt twice, and bought an 8 as their ONLY car for a family of 5. He claimed that when they drove off the lot with all five of them in the 8, one of them was sitting right in the middle of the console...because obviously there isn't anywhere else to sit a 5th.

Seriously, what is wrong with people?

Don't get me wrong, cause i love the 8 just as much as the next enthuisiest...but what kind of insane analogy has a family of 5 purchasing a 4-seater sports coupe as their ONLY car. They can't even take the whole family along for crying out loud. I asked the dealer if he'd even mentioned the CX-7 to them...and of course he's suggested it, and although it would have cost almost $2-3K less then the 8, they shrugged it off as if it were a joke.

Am I wrong to think that this would be one of the worse moves someone could make in that position? Not trying to be judgemental or anything, but what ever happened to living within your means?

And we wonder why extreme creditcard debit is so widespread now days...
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 10:43 AM
  #2  
ALP22's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 164
Likes: 0
Forget them living without their means, what about the moral culpability of the salesman who sold them the car? If this porves anything, it is that salesman really don't give a **** and will do anything to shift a car off the lot, even if it means screwing over a family who clearly can't afford it!
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 10:48 AM
  #3  
Stavesacre21's Avatar
Thread Starter
1.21 Jiggawatts
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,330
Likes: 0
From: Lima, OH
I actually asked him the same thing...and he said that they were SET when they came in to buying one.

He even told me that he used to really feel bad about something like that, but after being experienced, has went to learn that if they don't buy it there, they'll buy it elsewhere.

It's a sad truth, but it IS the truth. When you've truely got your mind set on something, another person's hearsay is just wasting your time.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 10:52 AM
  #4  
Shinkato's Avatar
Heaven's Sword
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
From: NC
That's unbelievable. I'd almost suggest them to be excellent candidates for the Darwin Awards. The thought of what could happen with five people in an 8 only conjures up graphic and disturbing images.

Insane.....
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 10:56 AM
  #5  
XDEEDUBBX's Avatar
RX8 HA HA
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 11,772
Likes: 5
From: Gardena Cali 310
some people seriously need to get beat to submission..
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 10:59 AM
  #6  
ZoomZoomH's Avatar
Mulligan User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,612
Likes: 3
From: caddyshack
barring born physical disabilities, people usually end up where they are because of what they do
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 11:07 AM
  #7  
Aseras's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,587
Likes: 1
some people never catch a break though. downright idiots can make 6 figures being in the right place at the right time.. while very bright and hard working people can end up in dead end, near minimum wage jobs.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 11:09 AM
  #8  
nranly's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: Cincinnati
I read somewhere that for the first time in US history, we spent more money than we made last year.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 11:14 AM
  #9  
Curley's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
From: Grapevine, TX
Originally Posted by Aseras
downright idiots can make 6 figures being in the right place at the right time.. while very bright and hard working people can end up in dead end, near minimum wage jobs.
I agree with the first part of your statement. See Kevin Federline and Paris Hilton.

But usually people who are intelligent and hard-working are rewarded for that because they earn more responsibility and better-paying jobs.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 11:20 AM
  #10  
nranly's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: Cincinnati
Originally Posted by Curley
I agree with the first part of your statement. See Kevin Federline and Paris Hilton.

But usually people who are intelligent and hard-working are rewarded for that because they earn more responsibility and better-paying jobs.

All Paris Hilton did was come out of her mom's vagina.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 11:26 AM
  #11  
ZoomZoomH's Avatar
Mulligan User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,612
Likes: 3
From: caddyshack
Originally Posted by Curley
I agree with the first part of your statement. See Kevin Federline and Paris Hilton.

But usually people who are intelligent AND hard-working are rewarded for that because they earn more responsibility and better-paying jobs.
agreed, and note that you need BOTH to be able to move ahead in life, at least that's what i've experienced/seen thus far
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 12:05 PM
  #12  
Wankel_lover's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 111
Likes: 0
From: El Paso Texas
Those idiots have S#@t for brains. They are unconscious and their own worst enemy.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 12:07 PM
  #13  
Design1stCode2nd's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 946
Likes: 0
Joe public from my experience isn't too bright. What would have been wrong with a Mazda 3 or Mazda 6? Lesser cost to own and can actually seat 5, well at least better than a RX-8.

I was talking with the finance guy when I got my 8 on Saturday and he was really surpised I had so much equity in my trade in after only 3 years (6 year loan, man I miss those 4% interest rates). Typically he says most people come in ouwing a bunch more than it's worth and end up financing 140% of the cost of the new car. I'm not the most pratical or frugal but thats just plain stupid.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 12:17 PM
  #14  
DrDiaboloco's Avatar
Pining for the Fjords
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 688
Likes: 0
From: Fort Wayne, IN
Originally Posted by ALP22
what about the moral culpability of the salesman who sold them the car? If this porves anything, it is that salesman really don't give a **** and will do anything to shift a car off the lot, even if it means screwing over a family who clearly can't afford it!
I can't believe I'm defending a car salesman, but...

That's not up to him. If a customer wants to buy a product he sells, and they have sufficient financial means to take the product off his hands, it's not morally wrong for him to sell it to them. If you think the salesperson has moral culpability when it comes to selling his/her product... What do you think about the waiter who serves a double cheeseburger and a double order of onion rings to a 500lb customer?

Personal responsibility, my friends.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 12:18 PM
  #15  
toxin440's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 994
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Well if the story about the family coming in for an RX8 is true, thats just the perfect picture of whats wrong with this ******* country. "I want it and I'll sign anything you put in front of me to do get it even though its not what I *NEED*"

People for the large part dont understand the difference between "need' and "want" in this country. I want a LOT of things, and if I was impulsive/stupid I could go out today and fritter away about $30,000 in combined savings money and credit card "money". I usually buy myself a little something each week maybe a pizza, or some starbucks as a treat, anything else thats car related or computer/toy related I actually take a 2nd look and see 1) do I have to have this right this very week and 2) if its something I don't need can I afford it.

I realize there are legitimate cases of debt, (just got out of school, or lost your job, medical bills etc etc) but if you are buying **** like this family did thats neither useful/practical/needed.

My solution: Colonial style debtor's prison, you can't pay your bills? we take it out on your ***. Institute that and this country would be out of debt very very fast. Maybe then we wouldnt see stupid **** like $5,000 rims on a $500 car, or a bankrupt family of 5 living in a trailer park buying a $30,000 sports car. It's not hard to manage your money in fact its freaking easy!

This country is goinig downhill fast people.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 12:22 PM
  #16  
"Shanika"'s Avatar
#382
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
From: Anaheim.. I think.
Were you able to get rid of your gap coverage charge?
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 01:46 PM
  #17  
Krankor's Avatar
Klingon Grammarian
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1
From: Bellevue, WA
Originally Posted by DrDiaboloco
I can't believe I'm defending a car salesman, but...

That's not up to him. If a customer wants to buy a product he sells, and they have sufficient financial means to take the product off his hands, it's not morally wrong for him to sell it to them. If you think the salesperson has moral culpability when it comes to selling his/her product... What do you think about the waiter who serves a double cheeseburger and a double order of onion rings to a 500lb customer?

Personal responsibility, my friends.
Well said.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 01:55 PM
  #18  
Go48's Avatar
Registered
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,598
Likes: 3
From: Fayetteville, PA
Man, some salespersons have great imaginations! He was entertaining you.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 02:24 PM
  #19  
captain mercury's Avatar
Mr. T is my copilot
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 794
Likes: 0
From: los angeles
Originally Posted by Go48
Man, some salespersons have great imaginations! He was entertaining you.
haha thats what i was thinking. remember, salesmen bullshit for a living.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 08:49 PM
  #20  
Stavesacre21's Avatar
Thread Starter
1.21 Jiggawatts
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,330
Likes: 0
From: Lima, OH
Originally Posted by Shanika
Were you able to get rid of your gap coverage charge?
I'm impressed anyone even caught that part of the story...

But yes, in others interest, I was able to cancel it and get a pro-ragted refund. If I hadn't had my head so far up my #$%, i'd have got the full amount back if it were within the intial 60 days.

Now, I'll be getting a pro-rated amount back, which will be firgured by the sum of 78s (can you say grab your ankles?).

The only downside to it, besides the aforementioned intrest deductions, would be that the money goes directly into the loan, not a check. Although it'll make the loan drop slightly quicker, i'd imagined they'd issue a check. No biggie though.

But yea, I found out that it's like $50 a YEAR through my insurance company for gap coverage. Vs. the $600 through Mazda.

Heed the warning if your contemplating it.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 08:55 PM
  #21  
mysql101's Avatar
⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 8,625
Likes: 5
From: USA
My GAP coverage cost me $100 (total cost, one time payment) through the bank that financed my RX-8.

It's a credit union, if that matters.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 08:59 PM
  #22  
Clavius's Avatar
Its all about Style...
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 3,337
Likes: 0
From: South of Boston, MA
Stupid is as Stupid Does if that story is true.


Hmm.. been hearing alot about Gap insurance.. might have to see how much my insurance company charges for it and if they do offer it. I know for a fact I turned it down on Mazda's end. F'ing dealership screwed me enough but I was smart to avoid that since the guy just sounded very shady describing it to me.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 08:59 PM
  #23  
Stavesacre21's Avatar
Thread Starter
1.21 Jiggawatts
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,330
Likes: 0
From: Lima, OH
Originally Posted by mysql101
My GAP coverage cost me $100 (total cost, one time payment) through the bank that financed my RX-8.

It's a credit union, if that matters.
To me, that's about what this figured out to be, considering how gap coverage is only good for the amount of time that your loan is of more value then the car. I wouldn't expect this stage to last more then 2 years tops, putting me right at about $100

Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 09:47 PM
  #24  
dasaints1967's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
From: (New Orleans) Kenner
Originally Posted by ZoomZoomH
barring born physical disabilities, people usually end up where they are because of what they do
truer words were never spoken.
Reply
Old Aug 7, 2006 | 09:54 PM
  #25  
StealthTL's Avatar
Metatron
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 7,286
Likes: 184
From: A Pacific Island.
"Wow, nice boat - that house must be worth a million, and is that a pool I see? How do you afford all that?"

"Easy! Massive crippling debt!"


S
Reply


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:34 AM.