rx8in503

what exactly is a lemon law buyback, im in oregon, somebody told me the engine had to of been replaced numerous times? i know it was replaced, but atleast 4 times? Sometimes when i start up i hear this liquidy sound when i rev a little, is this normal? is little vibration while stopped normal? are the brakes squealing normal? i got this car with 33,000 miles on it for 16,999 with a new engine, but after reading so much on these boards and yes ive searched, i mean is it worth it? i love the car and everything about it, but is it mostly drivers who dont properly take care of there vechile or am i doomed no matter what?

please help a newbie out or direct me to a thread that i couldnt find in the 17 pages that i looked in. thanks again

rglbegl

http://www.autopedia.com/html/LemonL...lemonlaw2.html

This is a good place to start.

zoned

vibration could be normal or it could be bad motor mounts. the swuealing brakes are under tsb and should be able to be fixed for free.

TownDrunk

rx8in503

above

what was the point for your silly expression? im sure you never asked anybody for advice or had any type of question in your entire life right? thanks for the help

TownDrunk

The point of my silly expression is that it's obvious that you're a troll, or you're so paranoid about owning this car that you should probably sell it and buy something else before you worry yourself into a stupor.

nycgps

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somebody told you the engine had to of been replaced numerous times? I want to know the source. and whos your *somebody* ? your friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's friend's dog ?

Its people like you whos making our car look so bad on paper, who did nothing helpful but whine the whole time.

Sell it, buy yourself a beat up civic and be happy.

Tigster

Drive it into a lake, let it sink and get another car.

TownDrunk

OK, sorry homeo-state-side... I didn't have enough to drink when I wrote that first post, so now that I've had my required lunchtime vodka, I'll give some real advice

As you probably already read in the lemon law link, you have to have the same problem over and over that cannot be resolved, not necessarily the engine. As for the brakes... Yep, the stinkin' things squeal, but if you find a nice enough dealer, you can take it and have them replaced under warranty (though with 33K miles good luck).

Liquidy sound? WTF? Does it sound like Grey Goose rolling over ice? Or more like MacCallan 18y just dropping to the bottom of a glass when served up neat? Either way, never heard of it in my '8... But in my bar... different story all together.

Vibration. Hmmm... I suppose many have felt this to varying degrees. Many say that installing the REVI intake from Racing Beat seems to cure this problem. I've never had a really bad case of the chimmy-chimmy-chakes, but my shift **** shakes a little when idling. But, then again, I know other rotaries (like first gen RX-7s) used to do the same thing. It doesn't bother me, but like I said, the whole car isn't shaking, just the cheefter to some degree.

Is it worth it? Is a bottle of 1999 Opus One worth $200? Yes... Call it a quirky car or whatever... After almost 3.5 years, the thing still puts a smile on my ******* face every time I drive it. Mine's never let me down, and I always look forward to driving it. So, for me it's worth it. It's worth people talking **** about it. It's worth the lack of torque. It's worth the extra warm interior. It's worth joy I get when I push it into a corner with the rear slightly twitching under braking. Yes... this car is worth it.

Is it worth it to you? Only you can answer that question.

CarAndDriver

Get yourself a nice used Toyota Corolla.

OCMarsh

I used Oregon's lemon law on a 1996 Pathfinder that blew the motor after only 6000 miles.

I had to contact the attorney general to get all the info, but from memory here are some of the requirements:
-Less than 1 year old
-Less then 12,000 miles
-4 trips to the service dept for THE SAME problem (not different problems)
or
Service dept has had your vehicle for over 30 days for one problem

In my case the engine blew and it took them about two months to get the new parts in. At that point I didn't want it anymore.

rx8in503

look man im not a troll, im just asking some simple questions, like i said i love everything about the car, but i did not know about alot of these recalls and whatnot, i have never owned a rotarty engined car so why all the hate because i asked a question?

obviously im taking a chance here on this rx-8 because i love the car, but i cant be some what worried about engine failures or whatnot? im sorry man, i dont have 20 g's just to blow and say oh well

im not even trying to make the rx8 look bad, im actually trying to make it look better by doing what is needed and getting advice from guys who have expierence with the car, what exactly is so wrong with that?

im not saying is the car itself worth the money, but are all the hassles that go with it and not knowing if your engine is going to start 3-4 years from now worth it. like i said i did not know alot of these things when i purchased the car, but im willing to learn on do's and dont's and whats to be expected since i have never owned a car that has had 4 recalls on it

so i guess im a troll for wanting to learn more about my car , thanks for the advice vodka , thats all i really wanted

rx8in503

whats so insane about the engine being replaced numerous times? i have read on this board myself of people having there engines replaced more than 2-3 times so whats uncommon about my news?

whats with the sell my car and buy a civic? all because i asked a question? jesus some people man

no dice

I dont know what your question/questions are.

lemon law applies usually if the car is 2 years old or less than 24k miles. whichever is sooner.

Its also usually the same problem that has been 'resolved' 4 times.

You cant get an engine swap, tranny swap, new brakes, and AC and get expect lemon law. It also usually applies to original owner. I keep saying usually because im not going to do your homework for you and search for your state specific, youre old enough to ask questions here and so quick with attitude, so you should be able to google it and find out yourself.

I've got 60k miles on my engine so i doubt youre doomed unless you cant take care of it. this is a unique motor with unique maintenence, if you dont care to maintain it, dont bother keeping it or else youll end up doomed, which seems like you're preparted for/expecting anyway.

Engines replaced more than once have been in high heat conditions. Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Nevada. Not Oregon.

Vibration yes, theres a TSB for broken motor mounts. Hopefully your car doesnt show signs of ABUSE or youll be in for a hard time getting it fixed under warranty.

Swooshing sound when starting, try parking on an incline and burping your coolant system while youre engine is running. I think topping off coolant is in order as well.

Brake squeel is normal too. Print out the TSB and take it to the dealer, its up to their discretion to change the pads or not. The RX8 OEM pads were designed for hard braking, if you dont use them, youll squeel. Cleaning the brake pads with brake pad cleaner will also help this proble,

Hyperborea

Very well could be a bubble in the coolant system. My RX-8 had a water flowing sound on startup (particularly cold starts) behind the dash. Solution turned out to be a bleeding of the cooling system.

It seems like the vibration is different in some of the cars. I had a fair bit of vibration at idle (and not just a wiggling shifter but through the car) that seems to have gone away with the recall reflash. I'm not sure yet (not enough mileage in anything like my "normal" driving) but the reflash also appears to have improved my fuel economy. Mine used to never really use much oil between changes either so I wonder if this is the difference between the "good" 8's and the "bad" 8's? Some of us had 8's that weren't flowing enough oil?

Pretty easy for one who isn't having problems with their 8 to be disparaging though, isn't it?

Tigster

Search this site (there is a link at the top) for engine failure. You will have alot to read, just keep in mind that the squeakiest wheel makes the most noise. I have 30K miles on mine and they have been trouble free. I have the original motor, transmission, clutch, and everything else.

My advice is this, read and use the search feature at the top. You also may need some thicker skin if you let these people get to you.

rx8in503

yes the bubble sound was on a cold startup, im just asking if its normal?

also the vibration doesnt bother me at all, but is it normal? my friend who drives an m3 asked while driving and i said i think its normal.....

im preparing for doom, because of what so many people talk about on this site, so why shouldnt i prepare for doom? it seems even people who take care of there cars properly still have problems, but im just trying not to fall in this class by asking questions and keep asking more questions.

yes i can google the lemon law issue, but thats the least of my concern, the car itself is my concern and all im trying to do is just learn so i can say i did my job and it wasnt my fault if my car ever breaks down.......

no dice

I dont understand what you are trying to say or ask.

How can lemon law be least of your concerns when its the subject of your thread?

Bubble, not normal, but no problem. Burping the tank by parking on an incline while running and topping off coolant will fix that.

How much vibration? Does the whole dashboard vibrate or just the stick shift lever? Is this an MT or AT? How is your oil consumption? Whens the last time you got an oil change? When is the last time you checked the air filter? Did you check for oil on the MAF or the air filter? What octane gasoline are you using? What brand gasoline are you using?

Hyperborea

No. If you have that sound then take it in and have it looked at under warranty. A bubble in the cooling system will decrease the cooling efficiency of the car (not good for the engine) and make it harder to heat the passenger compartment.

It depends on how much you are experiencing. After the recall reflash I now get a little wiggle of the shifter only - no shaking of the car. Have you had the recall done?

TownDrunk

I'm sorry, do you have me confused with someone who GAF?

Hyperborea

Nope. I assumed from your comments that you were someone who IAF.

Tigster

I have never heard the bubble sound so I cant comment.

The vibration is normal if it is in the gear shifter, espically at idle. If it is while driving it may be the tires. You can also look at the motor mounts and see if they are crushed / split.

I wouldnt prepare for Doom, just maintain the car like it should be. Change the oil every 3,000 miles, check the oil every 1500 miles or so (some people check it more frequently), and rev the motor to the redline once a day at least. You can also change the tranny and differentail fluid to a synthetic. All you can do is properly maintain the car, if something is going to break there is not much you can do.

TownDrunk