I'm so confused...
02-22-2007, 09:11 PM
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I'm so confused...
I have been working like a dog for the past 2 years to save up all of my cash since I graduated college and now I have a big egg that I want to spend on a custom car of my choice...It's come down to a contest between a Twin Turbo 500 HP Mustang GT from HP Performance or a 425 HP Turbo Rx-8 from Mazsport...
I've been talking to a bunch of people who've spent their lives around every car you could imagine and they've said :
"You'd be wasting your money. Rotary engines suck- you'll get beaten by anything and everything. The money that you'd put into a mustang could easily destroy an RX-8 of the exact same value and a Forged Stroker V8 is the best thing for long distance racing! Don't even go near a rotary!"
I want to do the Turbo RX-8, but will my $ be wasted? Will it be a disappointment? Is what my friends said untrue? Please advise!
I've been talking to a bunch of people who've spent their lives around every car you could imagine and they've said :
"You'd be wasting your money. Rotary engines suck- you'll get beaten by anything and everything. The money that you'd put into a mustang could easily destroy an RX-8 of the exact same value and a Forged Stroker V8 is the best thing for long distance racing! Don't even go near a rotary!"
I want to do the Turbo RX-8, but will my $ be wasted? Will it be a disappointment? Is what my friends said untrue? Please advise!
02-22-2007, 09:17 PM
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What do you want to do with the car? I you want the pony car experience (straight line performance) get the Mustang. If you want a unique experience with a well balanced sports car, a great community and a serious addiction then get the RX8
02-22-2007, 09:19 PM
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there is more to life than driving in a straight line. v8 piston heads dont understand rotaries and dont try to. tou are never going to get the torque out of a rotary that you would out of a v8. but youll leave that stang in the dust on the turns with the comparison in handling.
02-22-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkBrew
What do you want to do with the car?
But for during the week and weekend, I want a thrill and I want to build something that can take the abuse I throw at it and keep on smiling...If Ivan Drago from Rocky IV could be made a car, thats what I want to drive...lol
02-22-2007, 09:39 PM
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They could build a 1,000 HP Mustang and the biggest problem I'd still have at the end of the day is... It's still a Mustang. When I first saw the latest model back a couple of years ago, I thought it was horrible looking. While I understand they went for the retro-look, they took three steps back all around with the thing. The fit and finish inside is cheap, the one I test drove rattled and felt like driving a tank. The people who are going to swear up and down on the holy bible that this current Mustang is THE car, are the same people who think Budweiser is the best beer ever and Creed is the best rock band ever.
02-22-2007, 09:44 PM
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People will say what they know. Thus comes ignorance into the picture. They are putting down the RX-8 because all the info they have on them is out dated, misinterpreted, and just plain here say.
Do you want a car in the top 5% most popular cars, like the Mustang? Lemmings. How many people drive them and how many rental car companies rent them?
Or do you want a 9000+RPM 400+HP car with perfect 50/50 wieght distribution,that will do circles around 99% of the Mustang's out there?
This car handles on the corners like you would not believe. It stops 60 to 0 in 110 feet. 3 feet behind a Ford GT. It wieghs 3000 Lbs. and the Mustang wieghs 4000 lbs. Here is a quote from Motor Trend on a Mustang with Upgraded brakes. "The Livernois Mustang GT wears a set of Baer's new "Extreme" brakes featuring six-piston calipers clamping EradiSpeed 15-inch rotors. The pedal feel is outstanding, but the Mustang managed only a 114-foot stop from 60 mph." Nice,,,,not.
Oh and don't forget the $1300.00 Gas Guzzler tax on the GT500.
Oh and don't bother to put any of your friends in the back of the Mustang, it has less leg room then the RX-8. Try to put something in the backseat of the Mustang. Plus the RX-8 has four doors.
These are my personal feelings on the subject, I have driven the Mustang and I would NEVER own one.
Have you driven the RX-8? Have you driven the Mustang?
Read this and tell me if the Mustang can do this off the showroom floor.
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You know it really depends on what your preference in driving is. If you want a big heavy straight line car ,then the Mustang is for you. If you want a nimble and quick cornering road car then the RX-8 is for you.
I get bored driving in a straight line.
Good luck in your endeavor.
Do you want a car in the top 5% most popular cars, like the Mustang? Lemmings. How many people drive them and how many rental car companies rent them?
Or do you want a 9000+RPM 400+HP car with perfect 50/50 wieght distribution,that will do circles around 99% of the Mustang's out there?
This car handles on the corners like you would not believe. It stops 60 to 0 in 110 feet. 3 feet behind a Ford GT. It wieghs 3000 Lbs. and the Mustang wieghs 4000 lbs. Here is a quote from Motor Trend on a Mustang with Upgraded brakes. "The Livernois Mustang GT wears a set of Baer's new "Extreme" brakes featuring six-piston calipers clamping EradiSpeed 15-inch rotors. The pedal feel is outstanding, but the Mustang managed only a 114-foot stop from 60 mph." Nice,,,,not.
Oh and don't forget the $1300.00 Gas Guzzler tax on the GT500.
Oh and don't bother to put any of your friends in the back of the Mustang, it has less leg room then the RX-8. Try to put something in the backseat of the Mustang. Plus the RX-8 has four doors.
These are my personal feelings on the subject, I have driven the Mustang and I would NEVER own one.
Have you driven the RX-8? Have you driven the Mustang?
Read this and tell me if the Mustang can do this off the showroom floor.
24 hours
You know it really depends on what your preference in driving is. If you want a big heavy straight line car ,then the Mustang is for you. If you want a nimble and quick cornering road car then the RX-8 is for you.
I get bored driving in a straight line.
Good luck in your endeavor.
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02-22-2007, 10:12 PM
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Vdub,
I've grown up around guys that swear to muscle cars and bawked at me for thinking about a car with a 1.3L engine. Those same guys asked me what my new car was because they thought it looks really good. My friends '71 Chevelle can smoke my 8 off the line, but I overtake him easy as soon as he makes a right turn. So drive both and make your decision, and like Easy E1 said, I get bored driving in a straight line.
I've grown up around guys that swear to muscle cars and bawked at me for thinking about a car with a 1.3L engine. Those same guys asked me what my new car was because they thought it looks really good. My friends '71 Chevelle can smoke my 8 off the line, but I overtake him easy as soon as he makes a right turn. So drive both and make your decision, and like Easy E1 said, I get bored driving in a straight line.
02-22-2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dillsrotary
rally races as in off road rally, or more towards the gumball challenge?
02-23-2007, 12:08 AM
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I have read of RX8 drivers who seem unhappy because of their social circle. They broke with the pack by not going with what other people wanted for them. Because of the peer pressure they eventually sold the RX8 at a financial loss.
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02-23-2007, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by User24
I have read of RX8 drivers who seem unhappy because of their social circle. They broke with the pack by not going with what other people wanted for them. Because of the peer pressure they eventually sold the RX8 at a financial loss.
02-23-2007, 12:53 AM
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clearly different cars, bud.
No doubt, the mods for a rotary would be more money, as it is much less accepting of mods without a good tune (that or it'll blow on you).
As others have said, the Mustang is more of a TQ machine compared to the 8. I find the mustang to have a lot more brute power AS WELL as brute ride to go with it. Cheaper feeling interior and the general experience of a Ford...I've got a cobra and can vouch for that. Much less inviting interior.
The 8 on the other hand is silky smooth revving as well as riding (at least NA unmodified is). No doubt you'll have a better overall balanced car with the 8, but for HP mods, it does probably come in 2nd. Interior is much more plush, and the ride has less sway and just more sure of itself in handling.
IMO, if you're sheerly after a car that will wow your friends with thrust and burn every car off the line, the GT is your ticket. If your looking for just about anything else in a sporty car, the way of the 8 sounds worthy.
No doubt, the mods for a rotary would be more money, as it is much less accepting of mods without a good tune (that or it'll blow on you).
As others have said, the Mustang is more of a TQ machine compared to the 8. I find the mustang to have a lot more brute power AS WELL as brute ride to go with it. Cheaper feeling interior and the general experience of a Ford...I've got a cobra and can vouch for that. Much less inviting interior.
The 8 on the other hand is silky smooth revving as well as riding (at least NA unmodified is). No doubt you'll have a better overall balanced car with the 8, but for HP mods, it does probably come in 2nd. Interior is much more plush, and the ride has less sway and just more sure of itself in handling.
IMO, if you're sheerly after a car that will wow your friends with thrust and burn every car off the line, the GT is your ticket. If your looking for just about anything else in a sporty car, the way of the 8 sounds worthy.
02-23-2007, 02:02 AM
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I'm having deja vu...
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...=gumball+rally
This is either the same idiot or they at least have to have a very similar gene pool. You've been saving up for 2 years to buy a car and now you're going to enter a rally with a $50,000 entry fee (not including lawyers fees and court costs for all the tickets you will get)? Give me a freaking break and stop wasting our time.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...=gumball+rally
This is either the same idiot or they at least have to have a very similar gene pool. You've been saving up for 2 years to buy a car and now you're going to enter a rally with a $50,000 entry fee (not including lawyers fees and court costs for all the tickets you will get)? Give me a freaking break and stop wasting our time.
02-23-2007, 09:17 AM
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For retard boy who posted above me:
the original question was:
the response was:
Your unnecessary and immature burn:
The question was to determine what KIND of rallies I'd be entering...Secondly, the AKA Rally is $3000, the Players Run is $7000, and Autox is $60...all dirt cheap to enter and all accomodations paid for...Thirdly, if you don't buy Good Radar Detector, have a CB radio, and travel in packs, then yeah you'll get busted big time...Plus, the Gumball 3000 starts in London in 2 months, a build like this takes at least 6 months to plan, contract, build and tune...
Stop wasting OUR time and spamming the thread with your uneducated responses on a topic you know absolutely nothing about, as far as the rally formats and what goes on during them goes...Watch the Teckademics Series and experience an AKA Rally (I went with a friend in a white EVO), then come talk to me...
the original question was:
Originally Posted by dillsrotary
rally races as in off road rally, or more towards the gumball challenge?
Originally Posted by Vdub1285
Gumball 3000, AKA Rally, Players Run, etc. are my reasons for building such a car...
Originally Posted by Ike
I'm having deja vu...
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...=gumball+rally
This is either the same idiot or they at least have to have a very similar gene pool. You've been saving up for 2 years to buy a car and now you're going to enter a rally with a $50,000 entry fee (not including lawyers fees and court costs for all the tickets you will get)? Give me a freaking break and stop wasting our time.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...=gumball+rally
This is either the same idiot or they at least have to have a very similar gene pool. You've been saving up for 2 years to buy a car and now you're going to enter a rally with a $50,000 entry fee (not including lawyers fees and court costs for all the tickets you will get)? Give me a freaking break and stop wasting our time.
Stop wasting OUR time and spamming the thread with your uneducated responses on a topic you know absolutely nothing about, as far as the rally formats and what goes on during them goes...Watch the Teckademics Series and experience an AKA Rally (I went with a friend in a white EVO), then come talk to me...
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02-23-2007, 09:26 AM
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As for everyone else, thanks for your input! I think the 8 is best for who I am, my driving style and the purpose of the build...
Now, as I understand it:
Ceramic Seals, Lightweight rotors, Major forms of engine cooling and breathe-ability, an Interceptor-X EMS, and a really good tuning(will mazsport do such a job when they do the turbo?) are all necessary to ensure that this beast doesn't self-destruct...Am I correct?
I've already done my searching and the info above is a fraction of what I came up with to ensure a successful build...I'm at work on my PC right now, so I only have a limited info source (my brain lol)
What I couldn't find was information on the overall strength of the renesis...i.e. How much can this thing take? Will somekind of stronger rotor housing be necessary to handle the extra power?
What are the key components for a successful build of this proportion?
Now, as I understand it:
Ceramic Seals, Lightweight rotors, Major forms of engine cooling and breathe-ability, an Interceptor-X EMS, and a really good tuning(will mazsport do such a job when they do the turbo?) are all necessary to ensure that this beast doesn't self-destruct...Am I correct?
I've already done my searching and the info above is a fraction of what I came up with to ensure a successful build...I'm at work on my PC right now, so I only have a limited info source (my brain lol)
What I couldn't find was information on the overall strength of the renesis...i.e. How much can this thing take? Will somekind of stronger rotor housing be necessary to handle the extra power?
What are the key components for a successful build of this proportion?
02-23-2007, 10:29 AM
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They could build a 1,000 HP Mustang and the biggest problem I'd still have at the end of the day is... It's still a Mustang. When I first saw the latest model back a couple of years ago, I thought it was horrible looking. While I understand they went for the retro-look, they took three steps back all around with the thing. The fit and finish inside is cheap, the one I test drove rattled and felt like driving a tank. The people who are going to swear up and down on the holy bible that this current Mustang is THE car, are the same people who think Budweiser is the best beer ever and Creed is the best rock band ever.
02-23-2007, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Vdub1285
For retard boy who posted above me:
the original question was:
the response was:
Your unnecessary and immature burn:
The question was to determine what KIND of rallies I'd be entering...Secondly, the AKA Rally is $3000, the Players Run is $7000, and Autox is $60...all dirt cheap to enter and all accomodations paid for...Thirdly, if you don't buy Good Radar Detector, have a CB radio, and travel in packs, then yeah you'll get busted big time...Plus, the Gumball 3000 starts in London in 2 months, a build like this takes at least 6 months to plan, contract, build and tune...
Stop wasting OUR time and spamming the thread with your uneducated responses on a topic you know absolutely nothing about, as far as the rally formats and what goes on during them goes...Watch the Teckademics Series and experience an AKA Rally (I went with a friend in a white EVO), then come talk to me...
the original question was:
the response was:
Your unnecessary and immature burn:
The question was to determine what KIND of rallies I'd be entering...Secondly, the AKA Rally is $3000, the Players Run is $7000, and Autox is $60...all dirt cheap to enter and all accomodations paid for...Thirdly, if you don't buy Good Radar Detector, have a CB radio, and travel in packs, then yeah you'll get busted big time...Plus, the Gumball 3000 starts in London in 2 months, a build like this takes at least 6 months to plan, contract, build and tune...
Stop wasting OUR time and spamming the thread with your uneducated responses on a topic you know absolutely nothing about, as far as the rally formats and what goes on during them goes...Watch the Teckademics Series and experience an AKA Rally (I went with a friend in a white EVO), then come talk to me...
02-23-2007, 11:23 PM
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Lmfao thats hilarious...I'm sure he even had the fiberglass Rear Window Splitters covering the rear window...lol
Thanks for your input! I think the 8 is best for who I am, my driving style and the purpose of the build...
Now moving along, as I understand it:
Ceramic Seals, Lightweight rotors, Major forms of engine cooling and breathe-ability, an Interceptor-X EMS, and a really good tuning are all necessary to ensure that this beast doesn't self-destruct as the commonly tend to do...Am I correct?
I've already done my searching and the info above is a fraction of what I came up with to ensure a successful build...
What I couldn't find was information on the overall strength of the renesis...i.e. How much can this thing take? Will somekind of stronger rotor housing be necessary to handle the extra power?
What are the key components for a successful build of this proportion?
Thanks for your input! I think the 8 is best for who I am, my driving style and the purpose of the build...
Now moving along, as I understand it:
Ceramic Seals, Lightweight rotors, Major forms of engine cooling and breathe-ability, an Interceptor-X EMS, and a really good tuning are all necessary to ensure that this beast doesn't self-destruct as the commonly tend to do...Am I correct?
I've already done my searching and the info above is a fraction of what I came up with to ensure a successful build...
What I couldn't find was information on the overall strength of the renesis...i.e. How much can this thing take? Will somekind of stronger rotor housing be necessary to handle the extra power?
What are the key components for a successful build of this proportion?
