Now, I am offended. I wish you would go over the Miata boards, and tell that to everyone. :p

 

What exactly is people's definition of a sportscar then? I'm very confused. My friend has the ralley edition STI, he bought it new and it didn't even have a radio or anything. But man that thing fly's. His favorite thing to do is to get all 4 wheels off the ground in a mind boggling show of major air. I call it a sports car, if it's ralley, then it's a sport. I wouldn't call the regular WRX a sportscar, but an STI...I might call it a sportscar, although by definition it's a 4 door sedan.

This is the offical definition of a Sports Car as per the Dictionary:

sports car
n.
1. An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.

n 2. : a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons [syn: sport car]

 

Yeah, I think it is.

The old lines have blurred with the new generation of fast, well balanced cars.

4 doors is not the determing factor anymore.

 

[" don't at all agree with the characterizations of the STI being a sports car and the RX8 a GT. The RX8 has better steering response, a better shifter, better chassis, better weight distribution, better balance, better road feel, and it's more nimble. My 6-speed RX8 weighs 400 pounds less than the STI and the weight is lower to the ground and more concentrated towards the center of the car. All of those things are important in a sports car, not a GT. Also, I don't think the STI's understeer is blown out of proportion... sure, it's better than the WRX, but it's noticeable at the more than just the track. Lastly, the STI's braking isn't better than the RX8.

Even the lowly Miata offers more of a traditional sports car feel than the STI (despite the Miata's lack of power). Don't misunderstand me... the STI is a wonderful vehicle, but it's more of a street legal track car (despite its mediocre steering feel, understeer, and hefty weight). Ultimately, the fact that the RX8 is able to offer a more comfortable ride than other sports cars is irrelevant to it being called a sports car so long as it offers sports car driving dynamics (same goes for it having 4-doors... the reason people usually cite for calling it a GT)."

100% dead on, I've driven a couple STI's they feel like your driving a milk box compared to the 8,anyway you cut it that car leans. Ike talks about what the car has to do stock and makes comment after somment about "tweak the brembos" "better tires" dial out the understeer etc.... seems like alot to do for a 34k car that feels like it's got 150kmiles when they have 20k. No matter what Ike says it's not as a pure sports car like the 8. Oh and the chassis!!! the 8's is purpose built for a sports car!!!!! The 8's chassis isn't shared with severaly other grocery getters either, maybe it should be to be considered a real sports car. Deslock hopefully c-ya at the next tech day!! this post might be a little late & off topic oh well Ike bugs me, there must be a nice subie forum for Ike to troll on, everywhere I look his two cents, usally about subies, doesn't seem very objective.

 

Didn't look like he was beating around the bush to me...

 

So the STi feels like a street legal racecar but the RX-8 feels more like a sportscar If I made any comments about brakes and tires it was in reference to the WRX and not the STi, the STi brakes and tires are about as good as it gets and to reduce understeer a bit all you need is a stiffer rear sway. As for the rest, you're not even worth the time I've already wasted on you.

 

Hey Ike, remember that recent thread where the guy switched from the 8 to the STi and you posted some forum links for him? I followed those links, checked out the sites, and I really didn't see anything like the track footage that's posted to this site by RX-8 drivers. Actually, I saw little real content except for the TSB on the axles. Could you help me out and point me to the in-car stuff where STi's are being used like they were sportscars? Thanks.

BTW, a sportscar is a car that was designed primarily for competition. The Miata has us both beat. The 8 is supposed to be a "practical sportscar" with the 2+2 seating, and the STi is based on an economy car. Neither is a sportscar.

If squirting from stoplight to stoplight with two hunting dogs in the back while wearing LL Bean Maine hiking boots ever becomes a sport, then maybe you'll have something there.

edit: corrected spelling

 

Here are 15,000+ threads for you to sort through, I'm certainly not going to do it for you.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/foru...c&daysprune=-1

http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13

http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14

 

Scanned through the 12-13 pages of blah blah blah. Just a few corrections to make :

- The Forrester XT is faster than the STi because of what IkeWRX said and also because of GEARING, with Subarus you can pretty much listen to Ike

- The OP sounds like a troll, I mean an STI to an RX8??? That's like saying a Ferrari Enzo to a Hyundai, a big downgrade in performance, durability and all out fun (in terms of how much you can mod the car).

The EVOs, STIs, GTRs are all every bit a sports car. The fact that they are not even available in AUTOMATIC should be a resounding point.

 

You mean WRX not STi

 

I am sorry, I left the room for a scond. What were we talking about again?

 

Bewbs!

 

Ah....ok. I know a little about :p them.

 

Where in NJ. I've seen a few here and there like my silver one. I understand how you feel. I chose RX8 over STI initially, then when my daily beater hit the crapper, I spoiled myself with STI as my daily commuter car. I feel the power of STi is superb, but at my age I don't need that power very often like I'd have needed in my youth. The STi offers so much performance and practicality, is a great machine. I'gotten used the heavy, sensitive clutch. I get no rattles of strange noises at all. Unfortunately I've gotten those rattles in RX8, and car has seen dealer numurous times for all kinds of little failures.. The STI has givin me confidence it will outlast RX8, but we shall see. At 16k miles have had nothing but a great, winter, summer that lpows through snow, but also outruns almost every car I see. I was able to cure both my cravings by buying both. I may keep STI and drive it into ground, because to me it's just a better daily driver then RX8, and I personally feel it will give 150k miles considering the way I drive it. (mostly highway, and little city or hard driving) Only two factors though. highway gas mileage (25-26mpg) and AWD for winter. Other then that, the power and performance for me cannot overtake the looks and refinement, with all the goodies like RX8 can. I think you will be happier with RX8, especially since the power never got to you, which is what makes it such a popular good selling vehicle to those diehards who love performance. If that day comes where financially I cannot afford both, the STI will certainly be the one to go, although it will be painful, because I really do love that car.

Personally. I'd hang on for another year. You might enjoy a better version of rx8 to come, so waiting it out might not be a bad idea. Good luck!!

 

Anyone else find any videos like the ones I was talking about by following those links? All I found was some WRC stuff, and a video of like Daytona with some Subaru-based cars mixed in. Nothing like I was talking about, right?

Pretty weak, Ike.

 

hey if i could change the commonly accepted definition id surely define them as one, hell even i would consider calling the RX-8 a so called "sportscar"

 

another point i'd like to bring to the table is that i see people say the 8 is a 4 door sedan, but the thing is its really a 2+2 with some funky shaped doors that fit the lines of the coupe(a bit longer, but only slightly) hell, just compare the size of a rx8 rear door to ANY other 4 door sedans rear doors and you will see there is a large difference.

 

There's plenty of stuff like what you're talking about including a member that has several videos of driving his car on Nurburgring. So you went through all 15,000 posts and found nothing? I see a couple videos posted in the last two days, which is about how many RX-8 track videos have been posted in the history of this site

Also just this past week Subaru was a very popular entry into the One Lap of America, in addition to being the most popular car at the Rim of the World rally the same weekend. It also swept every class it was entered in. Go to any local dragstrip, autox, rallyx and the WRXs abound. But I guess you need in car videos for proof...

This is about the stupidest argument I've ever been in.

 

and that's saying something...hes been in alot.

 

<nods> :p

 

almost 4000 posts for a car you don't own....alls I can say is yikes.

 

yeah i still am not sure how on earth he manages...

 

...But at the end, the guy who started this thread bought a car which is indisputably a sports car. :D

 

Everyday
I'm truly amazed at Ike

 

I forgot what this thread was about...