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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 01:51 AM
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Cool honda rotary?

don't get me wrong, i love my rx8, and in the pass(rx7 twint turbo 93 and my first car rx7 gtu 86) but with the better fuel economy that honda get out of there car and power, i wish that they try to make one rotary engine. i think that they wood give mazda a good challege if not a run for ther money. what do you all think.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:16 AM
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Mazda has been developing the Rotary engine for decades. Honda simply won't have the experience necessary to compete.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:22 AM
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and what makes u think that if honda made a rotary engine, that it will get better gas mileage? rotaries get bad mileage, you dont like it sell ur car....
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:29 AM
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Why would Honda even consider it if they could? They already have an engine that puts out more horsepower than any N/A rotary Mazda has developed. It also can rev as high as the Renesis (the 2L version), gets better gas mileage, and weighs about the same.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:36 AM
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nearly everyone tried to develop rotary powered cars in the 70s, then came the oil crisis and they all canned their projects because of the gas mileage. The rotary is also a dirty dirty engine (not that I care) so they have to keep it clean for california emission standards (which robs power)
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:40 AM
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am thinking out of the box and i think it wood be cool to have more rotary engine in car. i don't care about the gas mileage, this is number three for me and i know it wont be the last one, on less they stop making them.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:45 AM
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Ford tried to kill the 8 at early stages of development.

Mazda showcased an RX-9 concept, it was horrifically hideous, the concept was called the Senku, google it and wretch in agony.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:49 AM
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yea the senku does look horrible...
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:50 AM
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doesn't look that bad. Just looks outrageous like a concept car should.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:51 AM
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mazda concepts always look funny. haha
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 02:52 AM
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the kabura looks GOOD, the senku looks like a frickin minivan
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 03:00 AM
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sliding van style door powa! senku FOLIFE. god its fugly....
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 03:07 AM
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Pretty much anything Mazda can do, Honda can do better.

Especially in the reliability stakes.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 08:01 AM
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Pretty much anything Mazda can do, Honda can do better.

Especially in the reliability stakes.

My 94 accord gave me about the same if not more trouble than my Mazda 626 in repair and reliability. And, my 04 rx8 has been extremely reliable the last 2.5 years of ownership. I hear horror stories about Honda too. They can produce lemmons just like anyone else. So I have to disagree with your statement.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 08:19 AM
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^^ Now where is that damn "don't feed the trolls" picture?

That little concept car is pretty silly. But I'll bet it would look great with underglow & some crazy vinyls.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ds2000
Pretty much anything Mazda can do, Honda can do better.

Especially in the reliability stakes.

Thats a pretty bold statement to make without anything to prove that honda is more reliable, in fact i think cars from Toyota are far more reliable than any car that honda makes
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 09:41 AM
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Over here in the UK Mazda actually have best reliability record, but its worked out by breakdowns/total warrenty claim (£), Mazda's break down more than Hondas but ultimately are cheaper to fix. At least thats in the UK.

Honda have been making >1hp/cc on their vtec 1.6, 1.8 and 2.2 engines for about 14 years now. BMW and others have only recently caught up.

That said, the rotary makes more / cc than any Honda.

Honda get things right (mostly), I have a Prelude and an RX7, I'll be selling them both and getting an RX8 so it by no means puts me off, that said I would be interested in a rotary honda, not that it'll ever happen

I'm no troll, I wouldn't have been on here for 2ish years if that were the case
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 10:02 AM
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I don't give Honda any more credit for having better engineers than Mazda, Audi, Cheverolet, etc... It's not a matter of how good you are, but how you are restrained by costs and priorities at a given company.

I'd give GM, Nissan and Mercedes a better chance with the rotary than Honda. All three have a history with the engine.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 10:18 AM
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Audi should be in that list too as they pretty much started/adopted the whole rotary concept:

http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/ab...el_engine.html


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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ds2000
Pretty much anything Mazda can do, Honda can do better.

Especially in the reliability stakes.


Hilarious stuff. There was a time when i was that narrow-minded.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 10:29 AM
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Maybe if you read the posts after it'd help a little....
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ds2000
Audi should be in that list too as they pretty much started/adopted the whole rotary concept:

http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/ab...el_engine.html



Ah, for some reason I was thinking NSU was related to Mercedes and not Audi.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 11:52 AM
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I apologize, your statement was amusing and i got carried away. I guess it's just that some people around me think just like you posted.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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As much as I like the rotaries concept you just have to look at the facts.

Advantages of a piston:
-Pistons produce more HP for the fuel consumed.
-Pistons inherently have better torque.

Tie:
Reliability can be equal.

Advantages of a Rotary:
Rotary is lighter.
Rotary is smaller.

The limited advantages of a rotary condemn to a niche market car like the RX.
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Old Jul 6, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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not to mention that production is very limitted
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